AD #2332 – Carmakers Call for High Octane Gas, Tesla Feuds with the NTSB, Big Oil Seeks Biofuels Waiver

April 13th, 2018 at 11:44am

Runtime: 8:14

0:34 Chevron & Exxon Seek Biofuels Waiver
1:25 Automakers Call for Higher Octane Gasoline
2:06 Have We Hit the Transmission Gear Limit?
2:56 Big Truck Sales Indicate Good Times
3:43 Tesla Feuds with the NTSB
5:16 Why It Takes So Long to Create a Car Color

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23 Comments to “AD #2332 – Carmakers Call for High Octane Gas, Tesla Feuds with the NTSB, Big Oil Seeks Biofuels Waiver”

  1. WineGeek Says:

    I wonder if Scott Pruitt has his hand in the middle of the Bio-Fuel decisions? I’m sure if Big oil gets an exemption we will see the gas prices come down right away because they will pass along all the savings to the drivers!

  2. George Ricci Says:

    95 octane gasoline – “By making it the standard blend, this would add about 5 cents a gallon over regular 87 octane gasoline”. I think you better check you math! Here in California the difference between 87 and 91 octane gasoline is 20 to 30 cents. I think it would be more like 40 to 50 cents more for 95 octane.

  3. XA351GT Says:

    George ,you beat me to it. I call BS on 5 cents more. 87 octane in SEPA is now $2.899 @ gallon. Premium 93 is at least 50 cents more if not higher depending on the station. So how is 95 only going to be 5 cents more than 87 again? The worse part is when you know your being ripped off and can’t do diddly about it. Except continue to be financially raped.

  4. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Gas may only need to be 5 cents more expensive partially due to economy of scale, no need for multiple grades, and probably because they ‘can’ charge this 30 or 40 cents more for higher octanes whether is costs them that much or not.

  5. Buzzerd Says:

    Chuck- I believe you’ve hit the nail on the head. Also, it doesn’t matter if it only costs 1cent more, Americans will complain.

  6. Barry T Says:

    Let’s add one more thing to the deal and get rid of the ethanol glands and give us pure gasoline at 95 That won’t ruin our older carburetors and small engines! Then I’m in.

  7. Lisk Says:

    95-octane will take years to phase in so by the time it’s the “standard” we’ll be used to paying 70-80 cents more a gallon for it anyways. It’s kind of like the reverse of when they took the lead out of gasoline. Many engines won’t function properly on a 95 octane fuel. Look at the folks who enjoy cars from 40s-50s that operated on a high 6 to low 7:1 compression ratios. They won’t have enough spark to light off 95 octane fuel. I found out the hard way. I have a tired old push mower and I poured what was left of my 93 octane fuel from a gas can into the tank. Like to have never gotten the thing started.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean can you please find out more information on the bio-fuel? Like is Ethanol cheaper than gas and if it is, is it because it is subsidized. If it is cheaper and not thru subsidies I would think the oil companies would want to use it. Is blending that expensive?
    Another step further was I was always told Diesel required less refining which is why it used to be so much cheaper. Thats no longer the case. Has the new requirements for low sulfur made the difference?

  9. motorman Says:

    i believe the reason for this is that there are cars out there that require premium fuel but there are not enought to justify the cost of refining and dispensing it. with one grade it would cut the manufactures costs. the problem is people with cars that run on regular would be paying extra for fuel they do not need and would not increase their MPG or performance.

  10. joe Says:

    Elon Musk always thinks he can have his way and the other party is wrong. The same rules apply to everyone else so what’s the fuss?

  11. SteveO Says:

    Like it or not, increased ethanol content is the easiest way to boost octane, so this could put the oil industry in an opposing position to the automakers and the ethanol industry.

  12. Lex Says:

    I am disappointed that the 2019 Jeep Cherokee does not have a dark blue exterior color choice like the Grand Cherokee (true blue) or Compass (Jazz Blue).

    I would like to see the 2019 Jeep Cherokee in a Dark Blue exterior color with a Cream or Tan interior cloth and leather choice.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2, 3 The price difference between regular and premium is based on what the market will bear, not what the gas costs to make. The 5 cent difference seems likely, especially if the simpler station setup with one tank, and one-grade pumps is factored in.

  14. Terry Quinn Says:

    I think there is one market factor that might benefit from a single octane level. Right now, premium gas is priced all over the place. Some stations near us will sell at 20 cents over price of regular, some as much as 60. If there was one standard gasoline octane level, now all the stations have to compete on price alone. That should make for a more competitive market.

  15. Terry Quinn Says:

    Elon Musk is the most egotistical CEO there is, and his foul-ups on production levels and his version of autonomy demonstrate his incompetence. He just lashes out to stir up his supporters, much like the president. His claim that he wants to get information out to protect people is b.s. He signed a very clear agreement with the NHTSA that he cannot communicate intermediate results until the NHTSA is ready. If there is something meaningful that needs to be said to protect the public, the NHTSA will give interim reports, just as they have in the past. His decision to break that promise just demonstrates his arrogance. They are right to kick him out of the investigation. If he really wants to protect his buyers, he should turn off autopilot on all of the Teslas until they sort out why this happened.

  16. Bruce Melton Says:

    Regarding paint issues: (1) “GUARANTEED to fade grey plastic” around wheel openings, air dams, rocker panels, diffusers, etc. Why do they put something on a car that looks like HELL in 2 years?
    (2) I have noticed that the paint color on many vehicles with “flexible bumpers” has slightly different “shade (and or texture) of color” when compared to the rest of the body panels. This is apparently due to the different materials added to the paint to make it “flexible.” However, this makes some “new” vehicles “appear” to have been repainted due to an accident….or whatever!

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    16. The differences in color you notice in many cases is because there typically is an angle change where the bumper meets the fender. But some match better than others due to the type of color and how the shade changes with slight angle differences.
    Another contributing factor is making st bumpers are not painted with the body. In fact most st are manufactured at a supplier painted in a different state. They may be using water base paint for the car while the bumper may be still solvent based. Plus painting over metal is different than plastic. The plastic material is typically black while car primers are often grey. So they produce plaques that the car and the bumper need to match. The additives for flexibility are clear and don’t really affect the color but many other variables do.

  18. Eric Brunner Says:

    I watched the TV show on colours and the comment was made how popular silver and white as well as most buyers want to buy the new car off of what the dealer has on his lot. A few years ago, my sister wanted to buy a Corolla S but with in a deep blue pearl colour which is quite attractive for that model. The dealer (in a small town in the interior of BC) tried to talk her out of it and instead sell her from the typical silver, tan and white ones he had in stock. She stuck to her guns and had a blue one ordered and waited a month for the delivery. The dealer later admitted that they preferred to have the bland coloured cars on the lot because they were easier to keep clean. Wonder how many more colourful cars would be sold if they were carried on the lot. I have leased Subaru WRX’s for quite a few years now and always insist on their World Rallye Blue colour which is one of the few attractive colours Subaru does offer. Another example is a ’17 Suburban I purchased new last summer and its standard colours were only Black and White. Any other colour cost more.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Interestingly, in the US, only two colors are extra cost on Suburban, according to the “build and price” tool, while in Canada, only black, white, and silver are “standard.”. Actually, the Chevy Canada site didn’t show the Suburban, only Tahoe, which I checked. I’m surprised they would have a different price structure for such things as colors in the US and Canada.

  20. Ukendoit Says:

    Years ago, when the first New Beetles came out (2000?), I was checking out one in the showroom that happened to be yellow. The salesman was excited to finally have that color on the New Beetle and told me yellow had been delayed because at first they couldn’t get the plastic fenders to match the metal bodies.
    As for color choice, my sister tried to buy a blue Hyundai Elantra back in the 90s. They would only sell it in that color as a GT for thousands more $. She didn’t want to pay the extra for a GT (and her color), so she ended up with a silver one. I’m sure that is just one of the many stories leading to the bland colors available.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 A current Hyundai, the Genesis G80 is that way. They have a very nice pearl red, but you have to pay $13.5K extra for the G80 “sport” to get that color.

  22. veh Says:

    18 I think dealers stock the neutral colors because they don’t annoy buyers to the point of walking away. We bought and leased two vehicles in 2016. Once we located vehicles with our must have features, the colors were secondary. We would have preferred something a little jazzier but we ended up wit a charcoal gray van and a silver pickup–we settled on colors but the other features were showstoppers. But easier to keep clean–that’s one I hadn’t thought of.

  23. Eric Says:

    they need to mention that 95 RON is equivalent to 91 (R+M)/2 so folks can relate that to what we have available now