AD #2420 – Hyundai Updates the Elantra, Geely Makes a Great Leap Forward, Fewer Subprime Car Buyers

August 23rd, 2018 at 11:31am

Runtime: 5:36

0:28 Geely Makes a Great Leap Forward
1:07 FCA Gets Offer for Magneti Marelli
1:32 VW Wants Aurora, Aurora Says No
2:32 Hyundai Updates the Elantra
3:06 Fewer Subprime Car Buyers 
4:11 Dealers Don’t Like Hyundai Refunds

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24 Comments to “AD #2420 – Hyundai Updates the Elantra, Geely Makes a Great Leap Forward, Fewer Subprime Car Buyers”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    In Jan 2015 I needed a cheap rental for week, the best deal (except for junk rentals) was Enterprise, and they gave me an Elantra (not what I was hoping), a 2015 model. It did start every time, but beyond that, what a worthless, cheap POS. The styling was way too busy and pretentious, the car felt too lightweight and tinny, the engine and transmission were less than memorable. I sure would not shell out $20,000 to buy one, when (I actually did this in 16 and 17)

    I paid $10,500 and $11,000 respectively and got me two E class Bluetec Diesel 3-lts, these cars are hard to find and I have to drive 4 hours to get each one, but it was 100% worth it. A 2007 and a stunning white 2008, with about 110k miles each, these cars were in perfect shape (bought from the dealer) and have not failed once since.

    These cars are omnipresent in Europe as taxis and as you can understand they go on for millions of miles with hardly any problems. In addition, the one I have in the summer home overseas (this is what started it, diesel there is 1.2 euros a liter, while gas is 1.65!), you can get used parts for next to nothing. A driver’s side mirror is over 1,000 Euros if you buy the 4 parts new and install it at the dealer, but I got a used one just like it for… 170 Euros and free installation.

  2. Barry T Says:

    Then there’s the diesel that’s memorable because expensive fuel and noisy engine and dirty air? I guess really is a fun thing is everyone’s different and that’s what gives us a variety to choose from. But everybody is smarter than me LOL

  3. Dan Says:

    So now if you buy a Hyundai and decide you don’t like it after a few days your sole recourse is to trade for a different Hyundai model?

    That makes little sense. Most buyers shop by price point and vehicle category, and cross shop different brands. In other words there would not be several models that interested a buyer from the same manufacturer.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 Hyundai’s thing is better than what most car companies offer, but yeah, still not too useful for many people.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    3 you seem to be really out of date in your view of diesels. In the US we had extra-clean diesel fuel with a 500 times reduction in emissions over your old diesel fuel. In many emissions, diesel is far superior than gas. AND in addition, to get the 400 lb-ft torque, you’d have to go high into 6 figures.

    for the overseas car, I also considered the Prius plug-in hybrid, always used (I only drive 5k miles or less with each of my cars and it would be truly silly to shoulder all that depreciation), but its short EV range would not work, and its price was no different than the much larger and safer Merc, (it was 2012 or so model) and I was turned off by its worn-looking, cheap interior.

    But feel free to believe that one Elantra at $20,000 is more fun than two E class diesels at $10 and $11k.. I suspect you never owned either.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    5 forgot to add, we had the clean diesel fuel since 2006 (October) and Europe had it long before that.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    more corrections, my response was to 2, not to 3, and in retrospect, I should better had ignored 2 and its ignorant description of the E class diesels, which, BTW, I did not buy for fun, nor even for their excellent economy, but for their safety. The one overseas replaced a tiny hatch we had bought new, was 25 years old with only 55 k miles, and was totaled by a careless young cop (!) driving his own ugly Mitsu COlt hatch, but with 3 more people inside, (I estimate that car loaded was at least 50% heavier than my very lightweight hatch), he hit the front axle and the driver’s door, his excuse is the sun blinded him and he missed his stop sign, but he was going fast and I was lucky not to break any bones, or suffer any other damage, but just have muscle pains for 2 months. But this meant no more hatchbacks for me. Don’t tempt your fate.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 “forgot to add, we had the clean diesel fuel since 2006 (October) and Europe had it long before that.”

    They were starting to notice that the urban acid rain from the high sulphur diesel fuel was destroying the buildings and monuments in European cities. With about half the cars being diesels, that was a major problem. The ultra low sulphur fuel fixed that issue, but not another issue of diesels in cities, high NOx, especially “cheater” diesels.

    I had a 2004 diesel, a Jetta wagon with the 1.9 TDI and 5-speed manual. While it was certainly clean, compared to older diesels, it was very dirty compared to gas cars of the time. It would smoke a little on cold start, and there was a little diesel smell, even warmed up. I got great mpg, though, over 50 at 60 mpg on the rural 2 lanes, and in the 40′s overall. The fuel tank was big enough that I have a few tanks of over 700 miles. Most of the time I had it, though, diesel fuel cost 30-40% more than gas, so I didn’t save much money on fuel compared to a similar gas car.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    The 4,000 lb, 208 hp- 400 lbft E Diesel is rated 37 highway but in my mixed driving I get 30 and on highway trips 34, and I don’t speed much. If I wanted more economy I would have to get the excellent E 250 bluetec of 2014 which CR tested and they got amazing MPG for a car of this size and power(Including the price difference overseas, the Prius gas hybrid would be more costly to fuel than the E 250!) but I would have to pay over 25k for a 2104 with about 60k miles, and for a car used 2-3 months a year for 4,000 miles or so, I thought it made better sense to get the 2008.

  10. G.A.Branigan Says:

    As of a few days ago,diesel fuel was 30 cents cheaper than reg gas. When I buy my next truck,( a midsize),it will be diesel.

  11. G.A.Branigan Says:

    In fact,for the last 2+ years,diesel has been running at least 10 cents cheaper than reg gas.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 They probably still sold those E diesels with manual transmissions in Europe in ’06-’08. At least they did not too long before that.

    Yeah, the Prius doesn’t make a lot of sense for 4000 miles a year, unless you just “like” the car. I like the way the powertrain works, and I like the liftback body, but the fuel savings is small with so few miles.

    Another car I recently drove, that impressed me, was the latest Camry hybrid. Compared to a Prius, it is quick, quiet, and comfortable, and gets within about 10% of Prius mpg in CR’s tests, and matches Prius “combined” EPA rating.

    With any Toyota hybrid, if you park it more than a few weeks, you need to disconnect the 12v battery. It only gets charged from the big battery when the car is “on,” and there is enough residual drain to discharge it fairly quickly if the car sits. There is no drain on the big battery when a Prius sits, so it is fine, even after 6 months of non-use.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10, 11 Where I am in Florida, diesel is 32 cents, about 12% more than regular at the cheapest places. I don’t know why the difference by location. I’m pretty sure the state tax is the same for gas and diesel in FL.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Correction. Florida state gas tax is 3 cents higher than diesel tax.

  15. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I haven’t a clue why diesel is cheaper than reg gas here in my valley in sw oregon. But it’s been this way for over two or more years,with a few exceptions for a week or so,than back down again. Even if it was the same price as regular,I will still buy a diesel next time around.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 My diesel Jetta probably got 40-50% better mpg than the gas version of the same car, but it was slow, even for 2004, probably about 14 seconds 0-60. It drove decently, though. Then engine felt “relaxed” with its 4000-4500 rpm power peak. There was no reason to take it much over 4000 rpm in the lower gears.

  17. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: Had a Dr’s appt this afternoon. Went by my local Shell station and today diesel and regular are the same price, $3.39.9. Go figure,lol…

  18. Larry D. Says:

    I’ll have to go to the dentist in 15 mins, just a couple comments

    In the US where I live, diesel is at best same price as regular, but most of the time it is higher, up to 30 cents higher. But overseas, diesel is 1.2 Euros/lt and gas 1.65. these are both very high, more than $5 a gallon for diesel and almost $8 for gas, at $1.2/Euro. Diesel in Europe, unless you do a lot of city miles and a hybrid is better, makes most sense. The 320 Bluetecs have a huge tank, maybe 21.5 gallons, and at 37 MPG EPA it should have 800+ miles range, but with my driving conditions, when I fill the tank (always not fully, but exactly when it stops automatically), the gauges show 700-710 miles range.

    Both the Camry Hybrid and the Accord Hybrid have impressive MPGs but they lose a lot of the useful trunk space. Maybe they should offer these hybrids as wagons.. but too little demand..If I had to choose, I’d get the Accord.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The new (2018 and later) Camry hybrid does not lose trunk space, and the rear seat backs fold down like in the non-hybrid. Yeah, a Camry or Accord hybrid wagon would be great, but wouldn’t sell well in the U.S., unless vehicle tastes change.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    This business of the Camry Hybrid matching the Prius’ MPG seems to violate several laws of physics. Not only is the Camry heavier and has a much larger surface area (used in cd calculations for drag, In addition the Prius sacrifices styling to have optimal aerodynamic lines, which the Camry does not have. It makes zero sense that the two would have the same MPG. Are these MPG the phony EPA numbers, or did somebody do an accurate real-world test measurement?

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I suspect the “scaled up” powertrain of the Camry is just a little more efficient. That is the only thing that would explain the small difference in mpg between the Prius and Camry hybrid.

    CR got about 10% better mpg with the Prius, but I’d expect a bigger difference for the reasons you mention. Also, the Camry is significantly quicker.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    10% better is significant. I’d believe the CR MPGs over the EPA’s.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    CR’s mpg numbers—overall/city/highway

    Prius 52/43/59
    Camry hybrid 47/39/53

    CR’s “highway” test is at a steady 65 mph. Their “city” test is fairly severe, done from a cold start, with a number of stops. I normally beat it with most cars I’ve had.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    I rented a Prius twice in April and June 09 from LAX, two days each time, on business trip. It was an 09 and I did about 320 miles and filled the tank with 6 gallons the first time. They included a trip to San Diego at 75 MPH (on the way back, night) where the dash showed 47 MPG, stop-go in LA where it was most impressive over non-hybrids at 51-54, and country roads at low speeds (sort of) where it showed in the 60s mpg. The San Diego (Actually Del mar) trip was half the miles or more.