AD #2492 – Are Trump’s Tariffs Working? Germany to Electrify the Autobahn, Toyota Wants Dealers Involved in Mobility Services

December 6th, 2018 at 11:35am

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Runtime: 7:18

0:28 VW Could Tap Into Ford’s U.S. Plants
1:05 Did Trump Get Confirmation Tariffs Are Working?
2:48 VW to Cut More Costs for EVs & AVs
3:22 Germany to Electrify the Autobahn
4:01 Lincoln Cuts Cost & Weight with Tree Fiber
5:06 Waymo Launches Service for Paying Customers
5:53 Toyota to Involve Dealers in Mobility Services

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38 Comments to “AD #2492 – Are Trump’s Tariffs Working? Germany to Electrify the Autobahn, Toyota Wants Dealers Involved in Mobility Services”

  1. WineGeek Says:

    Sean so the vaunted American automobile industry is going to become assemblers for foreign manufacturers? Is that what we have in our future a group of once vaunted auto companies that are so afraid of Wal/l Street that they won’t make the investment necessary to develop their own vehicles but find it easier to assemble cars for foreign manufacturers trying to avoid tariffs. My question is why can’t the UAW and the US manufacturers get together on a plan to save the US auto industry and really compete and not look for illogical ways to pacify Wall Street money managers that are looking for short term solution to maximize their sales commissions.

    If BMW, Mercedes, and Hyundai et. al. can build cars here profitably and even export them come on US manufacturers put your thinking caps on and make a deal with the UAW and let’s make the US auto industry something to be proud of not an industry that is continually retrenching and looking backward not to the future and the 21st and 22nd century!

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Regardless of tariffs, optimizing the manufacturing capacity at any plant is a good thing. Could be a win win for all Ford/VW/Audi.

    Sean: I don’t really think Waymo needs to get better pricing. They are not competing with the cost of someone using their own car. They need to be inline with Lift and Uber. Many people use those services to avoid paying for parking, driving drunk or while on a trip to avoid renting a car. They expect to pay a premium and as long as they are close to Uber and Lift I bet they will do fine. IMO

  3. Dwight Barnes Says:

    From yesterdays Autoline Daily -
    Yes I remember that clown.
    He went by several other aliases including;
    The Colorado Kid and tj Martin but these were just a few of the names he used after being run off this forum but always came back using another name.
    He was a cancer eating away at this great forum.
    I do believe he is back.
    His style of writing was a dead give away.
    If you did not agree with his mantra you were a fool and would be berated online.
    This is great forum that should be open for others to express their point of view without reprisal.
    Larry D – I am sure you are reading this. Your input would be greatly appreciated.
    Enough -what the hell is this…
    16 Of all the Maserati owning friends the one with the Ghibli and his wife is one of my oldest and best friends, a navy officer whose father and grandfather (both of whom I met!) were also in the Navy,

    Gag me !!!
    Dwight Barnes.

  4. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo2015 – You bring up some great points, thanks for sharing. The way I look at it, why would someone choose an autonomous ride over one by a human? There’s a novelty to it at first, but that can wear off quickly. Reuters also reported that it was a bit slow and jerky at times. Price would be a way to set itself apart.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Just when I thought the eyesore of the old telephone pole might be nearing its end with the steady decline of land lines and cable, they decide overhead wires to feed EVs is the way to go. Would think by now they could develop wireless transfer or something better than the same thing we had in 1885 with electric street cars. Whats old is new again!

  6. Kevin Anderson Says:

    As foreign car manufacturers are forced to produce locally in the US, there is less and less reason for foreign countries to allow imports from the US. GM was wise to bail early. Ford and FCA may want to bail as well unless they can convince the locals that Ford and FCA aren’t US companies.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like Ford is hedging their bets on getting out of the car business, by building cars for someone who is still developing new cars. I wonder if these Ford plants building VWs will remain UAW represented. Based on previous company policies, VW group might be more likely to deal with the union, than would MB or BMW.

    2 The only time I ever use Uber or a taxi, is to get from an airport to a hotel, or other destination in a city, and to get home from a medical procedure if I’m not allowed to drive. I suspect I am a typical taxi/Uber/Lyft user.

  8. Roger Blose Says:

    The caption as shown….I bet they are having a good laugh over how the new Prius styling looks.

  9. Lex Says:

    Sergio Marchionne had it right when we was looking for a buyer for FCA. He could see that the many of the major OEM’s would need to consolidate resources and manufacturing to survive in a Brave New World.

  10. Lex Says:

    The caption should read: “Elon Musk just put in a Tender offer to by Toyota”.

  11. ArtG Says:

    What specific parts is Lincoln using the hybrid composite for?

  12. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Caption for the Jim/John photo:

    So Jim Lentz says to John, “Yeah, I just talked to the Toyota Leadership Team, and I’m in line to get the Carlos Ghosn investment strategy” (so I got that going for me).

  13. Lex Says:

    Correction: The caption should read: “Elon Musk just put in a Tender offer to buy Toyota”.

  14. Albemarle Says:

    I think the Waymo pricing is right on target and maybe even a bit low. They are in the Uber/Lyft price bracket. There would be no tipping with an autonomous car so there’s a 20% or so savings. Combined with no traffic or parking hassle and a bit of peace and quiet and privacy on the drive, it’s a winner.

  15. bradley cross Says:

    Toyota might (have to) love their stealerships but take a survey of the public to see who likes going there.
    Their added value is so tiny and their extraction of your dollars is inhumane.

    Waymo will do great if they get it right. Especially from a safety angle.

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    Caption for the photo;
    Toyota will recall 1 million Prius’s right after a new batch of Prius jokes hit the market.

    Or; Driving a Toyota Prius on a date is allot like the Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving. Its really hard to score, and even if you do, you still go home a loser.

    Sorry Kit, No offense intended just Toyota doesn’t have much else to make fun of well other than maybe Yaris.

  17. Len Simpson Says:

    Lincoln should use hemp fiber , not tree

  18. cwolf Says:

    A joint venture with VW to utilize Ford plants is an interesting idea, but then why doesn’t Ford simply invest in developing assembly lines that can make several of its own models on one line? This is the practice the Asians have adopted. Doing so would allow Ford to stay in the car business, plus obtain plant utilization.
    I think the problem with Ford and GM is that both are more focused on more and more profits that go to investors and higher-ups rather than producing/designing cars people want. Folks don’t want the same old designs with just new grills and lights. Get rid of half of the electronic toys on the small and mid-sized cars only used for simple transportation and they will be more able to sell them at a much lesser affordable price.
    If VW does venture with Ford, there is no doubt in my mind that the UAW should be included or no dice.

  19. Mark who knows better Says:

    Caption for the Jim/John photo,

    Autoline’s own John McElroy laughs when Jim Lentz shares that “the public is really warming up to the thought of full autonomous vehicles’.

  20. Tuck&roll Says:

    Overhead electric? That’s not news. I remember back in Akron, Ohio in the 40s/50s when they had electric buses with overhead wires. The buses had two poles on the roof that touched the wires. There was a complete electrical infrastructure all through out the city. Every now and then the poles would jump off the wires and the driver would have to get out and reposition them. With the advent of cheap gas/diesel the electric buses, and their infrastructure, were removed and dismantled. Then we had to deal with the fumes. As things change they remain the same.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 A Prius has almost 6 feet of floor, when you fold the back seat down.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 I remember buses like that in Indianapolis. They were probably gone by the time I was 8 years old. Even as a little kid, I was impressed that they could make turns, usually without having to get out and reposition the pickups.

  23. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Pennsylvania Railroad was famous for their overhead electrically power locomotives; of course this works a lot better on fixed routes, i.e., R/R’s (and might work for some sections of the Autobahn but I’m a little skeptical that it will be more than a passing fancy that will ultimately fail).

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Use of overhead wires should be easy for the autobahn, with no turns, and little lane changing for the trucks. Still, trains always seemed the best application, for two reasons. The trains follow the rails without other turns, and you only need one overhead conductor.

    Maybe the autobahn trucks could carry batteries, good for a few miles of range, so the overhead wires wouldn’t need to follow the exits.

  25. Bob Wilson Says:

    “Toyota dealers have acres …” filled with cars they are trying to sell. A better approach would be ride-sharing by used car dealers. The additional miles won’t impact the retail price much and they can easily be listed as “for sale” with a data sheet like houses.

    As for self-driving, it is time for a periodic accounting of the number of miles driven by each. “Eye candy” technology reports are useless if they are only doing a few miles each day.

  26. FSTFWRD Says:

    Oh my, a day without Sybil??

  27. Dwight Barnes Says:

    Thank you.

  28. ChuckGrenci Says:

    #23 Kit
    Per the article, the overhead lines will provide battery charging (to these trucks) as well as propulsion power so you idea of skipping power in and around the exits seems feasible (and sensible).

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 Thanks for info. I was lazy, and didn’t read the article, just the show transcript.


    Photo caption:

    With the launch of the GM HD pickup; people will stop making jokes about my Lexus brand grills.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    Yesterday’s AAH was one of the best ever. Usually I skip the first half when it is an informecial with a soft interview ala Larry King, but yesterday it was an extremely interesting segment about a non-typical, non-greenie tesla 3 owner and his ride.

    It is disgraceful that the corrupt local politicians in MI, bought and paid by the Detroit 3, have prohibited Tesla from having dealerships in MI, and this poor fellow has to go all the way to Cleveland, a 3 hour ride minimum from Detroit, to get to his Tesla dealer.

    Given his experiences, including not only the exhilarating performance, but also the several glitches, I find it stunning that half a million people are buying the Tesla 3, at really high prices (this is NOT a $30k Camry!), and do not even consider NOT waiting for years, and buying some Bolt or Leaf or even VOlt instead.

    I also found the second half of the show very interesting (I listened to the 2nd half this morning), especially Gary’s number, which, this time, was stunning.


    For those of you that believe you can only sell sedans if you put $5,000 on the hood, here is a reality check: Honda sells millions with barely a tiny discount, WHILE the above $13,000 ++ is the $ the junkmakers at NISSAN have to put on the hood of their macho,, full size pickup the so-called “Titan”!!! (which has had anything but titanic sales. More of a titanic FAILURE…LOL)

  32. Larry D. Says:

    15 You sure did not want to say “Pontiac Aztec” instead of “Prius”?

    The Prius is an AWESOME Feat of Engineering, and has been so successful (pre-Tesla) that it sold as many as ALL its many Rivals COMBINED, and more. Not surprisingly, its chief engineer was promoted to a very high up top executive position in the gigantic Toyota organization (with gigantic profits too, instead of your Ford and GM).

    I would bet you have never driven any Prius for any serious length of time. I have driven a 2009 for more than 3 full days, and ten years later, the current model must be significantly better than the already impressive 09. If you had, you would know much better.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    Hey, what is this segment about generalissimo Francisco Franco being still dead? I mean, the segment about the…. Lincoln Continental of all vehicles? Wasn’t this specific Lincoln model recently AXED? Even though they spent a ton of $ designing, producing, and especially advertising it, and now they killed it before it turned even two years old?

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I had a 2010 Prius, the first year of gen 3, and now have a 2017 gen 4. I had zero problems with the 2010. The only reason I got the new one was that I like it better. It generally drives better, with better handling and ride, and is quieter, especially at highway speed. It gets a little better mpg, but the difference is insignificant, as far as dollars per year.

    A friend recently replaced a 2008 gen 2 Prius, which had over 200K miles with no problems, except for an expensive gas discharge headlight that failed.

    Basically, every new generation of Prius is better in most ways. Now, they need to work on the styling.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    33 a former student whose family has 2 Toyota dealerships in two small towns about 50 miles apart, told me even the dealers were surprised with how reliable Prii were, from early on. They worried more about the reliability of UK-made 5-door Corrola hatches that were very popular in the old country, many people I know had one.

    In theory each new Prius is supposed to be 10% more fuel efficient than the previous model. With the exception of the very first Echo based Prius, I have no problem with the styling of the next three models, even if the current one is way too busy in exterior styling. The 2009 and the 2010 look good from every angle except from 90 degrees as you see the rear tire, there is too much metal on top of it, something I mentioned before, which can be fixed by having larger glass area above, but that may increase the weight. Another problem which does not affect styling but visibility was the split rear window in the 2009.

    For most Prius buyers, if it was just about saving $, they could have done much better with the corresponding Corolla or Yaris, unless all their driving is city.

  36. FSTFWRD Says:

    Guess I typed too soon.

  37. Brett Cammack Says:

    Catenary is fiendishly expensive to erect and maintain. It bankrupted The Milwaukee Road eventually when they implemented to in their expansion to the Pacific coast.

    The payback better be darned compelling or this is just another pipe-dream.

  38. Dan Says:

    Lincoln and tree fiber. Now buyers will have to worry about these parts rotting out or being consumed by insects or vermin. At least it’s just on the Lincoln Continental and few people are buying those models.