AD #2507 – Tesla Props Up EV Segment, Daimler Frowns on Platooning, Ford Takes Different Path to Connectivity

January 8th, 2019 at 11:38am

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Runtime: 7:18

0:28 Head of Infiniti Leaves the Company
0:54 Daimler Introduces 1st Autonomous Semi
1:23 Daimler Invests in Level 4 Big Trucks
2:01 Hyundai’s Modular, Walking Concept
3:07 Audi Ties VR to Vehicle Movements
3:40 Tesla Props Up EV Segment
4:13 Harley Announces Price of LiveWire
5:22 Toyota to Connect Vehicles in U.S.
6:03 Ford Takes Different Path to Connectivity

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23 Comments to “AD #2507 – Tesla Props Up EV Segment, Daimler Frowns on Platooning, Ford Takes Different Path to Connectivity”

  1. Nick T Says:

    Soooooo, Toyota is making their own version of OnStar down to a “T”. Welcome to 1996.

  2. buzzerd Says:

    I like seeing the report on Harley’s Live Wire, would like to see more motorcycle coverage personally. A lot of the technology in vehicles and motorcycles is started in one segment and adopted in the other.

  3. MJB Says:

    That Audi VR is a double edged sword. Great for keeping away the “Are we the yet’s”. While at the same time cementing the notion that today’s youth will be completely devoid of the roadtrip experience of yesteryear, where getting there is half the fun.

  4. Bradley A Says:

    I always thought a big reason to platoon semi-trucks, is so you only have to pay one driver per platoon.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 This is what the Harley Live Wire will need to compete with.

    For $14K, you can get one with 179 mile “city” range, and 90 miles of range at 70 mph. I don’t see the “louder is better” Harley crowd going for the Live Wire, and I don’t see younger people paying twice the price for similar performance, and less range than the Zero. For the non-motorcyclists here, Zero has been around for a few years, the bikes work, and they probably have as many dealers as BMW, or nearly so.


    4) That was my thoughts exactly. I don’t know if there is enough brand identity to warrant the premium price.

  7. ChuckGrenci Says:

    30 Grand for an electric Harley is ludicrous, and I don’t mean, as in speed. I like Harley’s, and back in the day almost bought one (and was even considering more so, to buy a Buell). I ended up with a Yamaha FJR-1300 mostly because my local Harley dealer was a real ‘piece of work’ and the FJR was similar (and better in some ways) than the Harley/Buell offerings.

  8. Bill Gallagher Says:

    Are there any expectations that the quality control issues with the Model 3′s fit and finish will improve?
    Many thanks from a day 1 viewer and fan.

  9. Lambo2015 Says:

    Cant exactly remember the last time I was on a road trip in my car and had the urge to just turn right and go off-roading. Doesn’t matter that its rocks or rivers Hyundai has solved that desire to stroll through some terrain that would normally be hiked. Now you can do it in the comfort of your car. Assuming its not private property or state or federal land that prohibits motorized vehicles. Hope they didn’t spend to much R&D money on that.

    $30,000 Harley.. I’m sure a few metrosexual Executives will be proud to over-pay for an electric bike that bares the Harley name but as Kit pointed out it wont appeal to majority of their current market and I doubt the premium price will draw any new customers to the brand. My guess is Live wire will be an epic loss for HD.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 The FJR-1300 won the acceleration test in the Michigan state police tests, and was a close second to a BMW R1200 RT around a road course. It surprised me that the Harleys beat the Yamaha in braking tests, though the difference wasn’t great. The braking tests were done using “full ABS,” so maybe the Yamaha needs a Tesla-style software tweak to its ABS.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 A few days, ago, I saw a ’50s or ’60s car ad, showing a regular car doing about the same thing as in those Hyundai ads. I think it would make a great Prius ad, if they’d do something like that, on a dusty, bumpy trail of some sort. It wouldn’t even matter if it damaged the car a little, as long as they got through the filming of the ad ok.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    #9 The braking advantage was probably tire size as the FJR has a 120-70-ZR17″ the Harley was probably equipped with the 130-90-16″ front tire. But the Harley is a heavier bike so that is surprising.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11. I’ll check the tire sizes. As I remember, the FJR and Harleys were similar weight, and the BMW significantly lighter, but I could be wrong.

  14. Buzzerd Says:

    $30,000 isn’t the much anymore. Most Adv. touring bikes start in the low twenties and can be optioned up. I have a BMW GS1200, a new one with all the goodies would be close to 30 Canadian. Question is will Harley be able to move the electric metal? Purist probably won’t have any interest but maybe new customers???

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    For some reason, the FJR was the only bike for which tire size wasn’t listed. If the police FJR uses the same size as the regular version, the front is 10mm narrower than the Harleys, 120 vs 130, and the same as the BMW. The rear tires were the same width, 180, on all of the bikes, but the aspect ratio might be different.

    The weights were:

    BMW R1200 RT 650 lb.
    Harley-Davidson FLHP 845 lb.
    Yamaha FJR1300 865 lb.

    I linked this a few days ago, but someone might still be interested. It’s the 2018 Michigan State Police report of evaluation of police cars, SUV/CUVs, a pickup truck, and motorcycles.

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    13 Yeah 30K for a touring bike that seats two people in lazy boy recliner like heated seating, full faring, hard saddle bags, radio, navigation, intercom systems cruise control and more. The Live Wire has a 110 mile range, I assume with only a single rider. So its going to be a hard sell.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 I’m seriously considering a Zero electric bike to replace my Kawasaki KLR next summer. I’d consider the Harley, if it didn’t cost twice as much. Maybe a hard core Harley fan, wanting something different, would pay the price for the LiveWire, but I thought, wrongly, that Harley riders wanting something different, but “within the family,” would buy Buell bikes. Not many did.

    Not that it matters much, but the closest to a Harley I’ve had was a Buell Cyclone, the cheapest Buell with the Sportster 1200 based engine. It was a fun bike, but not pleasant around town, at least to me. Compared to what I was used to, the shifting was not very good, and I didn’t like the vibration at idle. It smoothed out nicely at highway speed, though, and handling and brakes were very good.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 wow! Surprised to see the FJR is 20lbs heavier and with a slightly narrower tire. The BMW is amazingly 200lbs lighter. Makes the other two like riding with a passenger full time.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The police equipment would add some weight to the FJR, but it is a big, heavy machine, but a very nice one. A coworker had one with the semi-automatic transmission. I don’t remember the issues, but he wished he’d got the manual. I rode a (manual) FJR once, and liked it, except it was too big and heavy for this 150 pound weakling, in some circumstances.

  20. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I don’t know what that Police FJR had on it. My FJR is about 660 pounds wet; must have been a lot of police equipment on it. And I’m wondering how the BMW came in so light.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Looking up the weight of the FJR other places, the 865 pounds in that report doesn’t sound right. There can’t be 200 pounds of “oem” police equipment, can there?

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The BMW weight is about what I find other places, for the non-police R1200 RT. The police version must not have extra equipment.

  23. Dan Jones Says:

    Concerning the 18% drop in EV sales if the Tesla Model 3 sales were factored out, what might be the actual percentage if conquest sales were factored in? That is, how many of the Tesla Model 3 sales would have been other EV’s if the Tesla wasn’t available? As an EV owner, I know I will always have an EV and will eventually replace mine with another. Someone I know replaced his i3 when it came off lease last year with the Model 3 due to the increased range. BTW – He really likes his Model 3, but misses the ease of getting in and out of the i3 with its SUV-like height.