AD #2512 – Jeep Testing Subscription Services, Ford’s 3D Printed Production Parts, Lotus to Start Making SUVs

January 17th, 2019 at 11:48am

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Runtime: 7:03

0:30 Jeep Testing Subscription Services
1:18 Ford Puts 3D Printed Parts Into Production
2:28 Hyundai Santa Cruz Pickup Update
3:28 Mercedes A-Class Pricing
3:48 Charge As Fast As Filling a Gas Tank
4:59 Lotus to Start Making SUVs
5:34 Ford Explorer’s Slick Digital Display

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27 Comments to “AD #2512 – Jeep Testing Subscription Services, Ford’s 3D Printed Production Parts, Lotus to Start Making SUVs”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If that quick charging system would be putting a half charge in the 60 kWh in 5 minutes, it would be charging at a rate of 360 kW, 1500 amps at 240 volts. I’ll believe it when I see it.

  2. XA351GT Says:

    Hyundai , how long does it take? It’s been 4 years since the concept that most people were favorable to. By the time you pull the trigger someone else will have filled that spot.

  3. WineGeek Says:

    Sean, Lotus is going to “expand production” to add SUVs this expansion will be in China. Reading between the lines that reads ‘we will move production to China so we can cut the cost of production on all vehicles’.

  4. BobD Says:

    The video that went along with the GBattery segment is suspect… It shows a charging cord the diameter of a 14/3 extension cord. I don’t think they are going to be pushing 1000+ amps through that cord.

    I’m also not sure where the Ford Explorer Instrument Panel video came from. If Ford provided, they certainly didn’t help their cause by showing the fuel economy average of 4 mpg.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    You’ve seen a number of luxury brands launch subscription services only to discontinue them a few years later. Is FCA looking for a way to lose money or just plain stupid? I cant imagine many Jeep owners willing to rent out their vehicle for someone to go get it buried in the mud somewhere. Folks that buy especially the Wrangler do not buy them as just a mode of transportation and have more pride in ownership than other vehicles. I do not see this working well for FCA.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A lot of car companies may be leaving the UK, depending on how Brexit sorts out. If loads of parts from continental Europe are delayed hours going through customs on the way to the UK, I don’t see how mainstream companies can operate in the UK.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    With the FCA subscription, maybe you could get a Challenger Demon to take to the drag strip Saturday, and a Wrangler to go rock crawling on Sunday.

  8. Jonathan Brown Says:

    5 minutes and 119 miles and game over for internal combustion engines….

    Porsche I think has a 20 minute 80 percent charge and if true thats game over for ICE vehicles as well.

    Instant torque and possible ease of construction and service intervals..

    We the enthusiasts are all in fir tesla model 3 like performance…

    Even so…a 280 mile range and we are all good.

    Next few years should be revoltutionary.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Until charge stations are as common as gas stations, EV range is 400+ miles, and you can get 400 miles of charge in 10 minutes, ICE vehicles will be around. They will be around for many years to come.

  10. XA351GT Says:

    I wouldn’t get giddy yet at that fast charge claim until they say how bad it reduces the battery lifespan. From what I’ve read constant fast charging significantly reduces the battery life. and unless the cost of the battery and the labor to replace them are really cheap I still don’t think it will be attractive.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    When it comes to EVs people need to consider TCI or Total Costs Involved. What looks attractive on it’s face becomes less so when all factors are included. Diesels ,fall into this as well. People rave about the mileage , but don’t consider the added cost of fuel and maintenance and parts to keep a diesel running at peak performance.

  12. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Some talk of the simplicity of EV’s and the subsequent demise of ICE but if you ever saw what is involved with the construction and assembly of the battery pack, it certainly can give you some perspective as to the complexity envolved. There are some U-tubes on the assembly/disassembly and it is quite eye opening. And then there continues the “not ready for prime time” range and charging inadequacies, that are being worked on, but still lack competitiveness (with ICE).

  13. Larry D. Says:

    1 Stranger things have happened. I would be more worried about its effect on battery life, as questioned in 10. but even if their claim is not reached 100%, I sure would be thrilled if they can do 50% (ie charge it in 10 vs 5 mins), this is still a huge game changer.

    2 This reminds me of many other automakers, with the only exception of Tesla, who missed the boat on EVs. It may be too late to jump in once the half million Model 3s are sold in the US and more millions in China. You don’t just need to have the right product, it is needed at the right time, which is YESTERDAY and not in 2022.

    3 Nothing wrong with cost reduction. Developed nations should focus on high tech high paying jobs and not just oldie manufacturing any third world nation can do.

    5 Probably both.

    (I agree with you as to the disastrous conclusion of FCAs subscription. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and they will see thew failures of the other makers similar services and cancel it)

    7 Or maybe you could get a Dodge Dart to take your hot date to the Opera and a Dodge Ram for the next day to do your rounds fixing the plumbing.

    8 While I am the exact opposite of a clean pure EV owner (I drive two Merc diesels) I am also looking forward to continue seeing the amazing changes in this rapidly changing Auto Industry. EVs ARE the future whether some like it or ate it.

    8, 9 China first of all has made it its policy, have more charging stations than we have gas stations, and heavily favor EVs in their huge big cities. Others will soon follow.

    11. It’s called the Life Cycle Cost, LLC, but regardless what it is called, I can guarantee you that practically NOBODY buys pure EVs to save any $. Even though many can reap HUGE savings if they have long commutes and can charge at work or at home. Some may buy them because they are Envirofanatics and do not want to pollute, but the vast majority are ADDICTED to their INCREDIBLE performance, the instant torque and giant-slayer acceleration. Even Top Gear, which hates EVs with a passion, had a test pitting the most powerful Porsches vs a Tesla S and the S beat the living daylights out of it.

    Every passing year will show more EVs on the roads and fewer horses and Buggies or Gas and diesel dinosaurs. It may take 50 years to wipe the last one from daily use (as it did with he horse and buggy), but it will eventually happen.

    I repeat, EVs are the future whether we like it or not.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10,13 Even charging in 30 minutes seems to greatly reduce battery lifetime. I get about 2 years use from batteries I use for R/C airplanes. I’m abusing them in other ways too, though, discharging them quickly, and probably charging them more “fully” than would be done with a car.

  15. DonWagner1239 Says:

    The Jeep lineup shown (two pictures) are 2017s (discontinued Patriot, a JK Wrangler, older FE Cherokee, and previous Compass). The 2019s are out now!

    Some good points made by Chuck on the real EV complexity. I had a small roll in the thermal testing of the late 1990s Chrysler TEV and EPIC electric minivans. They used NiCads and NiMH batteries that needed a pretty complex cooling system. Had to cool the motor and the batteries and provide passenger heat from that with some interesting valving. Still had to have coolant that didn’t freeze.

  16. DonWagner1239 Says:

    13: The Dart was discontinued after 2016. The RAM is no longer a Dodge.

  17. Larry D. Says:

    16 I’m fully aware of both. I was obviously being sarcastic suggesting using the Dart for the Opera. A 300 would be a far better choice.

    My next door neighbor is an almost blind widow who cannot drive, but has frequent visits by her relatives, one drives a red Prius III and the other, a young woman, a grey Dart. you can be sure the Prius looks much better. I remember Sergio on 60 mins talking about the Dart, while he did not mention it by name, he said that he could afford to screw up one new model launch, but not two. One was the Dart for sure. I don’t know if all these Fiats and Alfas count too.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    14 My experience with rechargeable batteries are limited to home appliances such as my e-toothbrush I have bee using 15 years now and a hair-beard trimmer. My toothbrush is the second one I had to buy, the batteries are enclosed and cannot be replaced, you have to boy a brand new e-toothbrush. I did not like that. I use it 4 to 6 mins a day (2 min each time) and the first one lasted about 8 years. The hair trimmer I bought it 2 years ago ( a huge bargain, only $15 or so at bed bath and beyond) and it replaced one that plugged in which had no battery, which I bought in.. 1985 or so. the toothbrush sits on a stand and gets charged by induction.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    I do not buy that, overall, EVs are more complex than gas or diesel cars, they have far fewer systems, entire complex systems do not even exist in the EV such as radiator and its piping, or the exhaust, but also the motor of an EV has 20% the parts the motor of a Golf has.

    Another interesting stat (ala the numbers thrown at us by Gary in AAH) is 445 or so, this is the number of EV makers in China (!!!). I bet less than 10% will survive, despite the millions of EVs sold and to be sold there.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    An EV has way more magnets than an ICE car.

    On a more serious note, if a vehicle, or anything else, is reliable, its complexity doesn’t matter, as long as the initial cost is competitive. A Prius or other hybrid is much more complex, as far as electronics, than an ICE car, but Priuses are very reliable, which is what matters. Unlike in the 1950s, cooling system problems are quite rare on today’s cars, and exhaust systems often last the life of the car. My friend’s cheap Sunfire has run more than 240K miles and is still running fine, with about $600 in total repairs since new, maybe $800 if you count batteries. Will EVs do that well? The Sunfire has had about 50 oil changes over that time, which an EV wouldn’t need, but still? I probably won’t be around long enough to really know about the longevity of large numbers of EVs, and their batteries, as they age in years and miles, but today’s ICE cars, even cheap ones, do very well.

    Along those lines, a former BMW motorcycle dealer I knew bashed the Honda 750 four when it came out, because of all of those extra parts that a BMW of the time didn’t have. It turned out that, even those early Honda 750s were very reliable, probably as reliable as a BMW of the time.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Your tooth brush and hair trimmer probably have NiMH batteries. That’s what my Norelco shaver has.

    Beyond the, admittedly abused batteries for model airplanes, my experience with lithium batteries has been mixed. I’ve had them die in laptop computers after 3-4 years, but the battery in my Mac laptop is still good after about 8 years.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The should reinstate the Dodge name for Dodge trucks.

  23. ChuckGrenci Says:

    22, I’d agree with you on Dodge re-instating the name if Ram hadn’t nearly surpassed Chevrolet for number in trucks sold. Ram has seemed to have integrated well; its probably us old guys waning nostalgic, missing the Dodge name.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I still sometimes call FCA trucks Dodge, even though they have officially been Ram for years. Maybe it’s because I have a Dodge Caravan.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Ram could overtake Chevy in big pickup sales, if a lot of people read the scathing Car and Driver review of the new Silverado in their comparison test. It will be interesting to see what others, like CR say when they test the new trucks. C and D liked the powertrain of the Chevy, but not much else.

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    In regards to the complexity of battery assembly and engineering, here is a video of the disassembly of the Chevy Bolt battery. The video is very long, over an hour, but is very well done. So if you are interested, here is the link:

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 Interesting. I didn’t watch all of it, but enough to get the general idea of how the battery is assembled.