AD #2549 – Magna’s Integrated eDrive System, Tesla Raises the Price of Its Cars, WLTP Costly for Volkswagen

March 11th, 2019 at 11:50am

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Runtime: 6:54

0:07 WLTP Costly for Volkswagen
0:44 Tesla Raises the Price of Its Cars
1:17 Weekend Race Results
1:51 GM Refiles Zora Trademark
2:16 Why GM Is Now Making Mid-Engine Corvette a Reality
3:19 Production in North America Expected to Increase
4:20 Magna’s Integrated eDrive System

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28 Comments to “AD #2549 – Magna’s Integrated eDrive System, Tesla Raises the Price of Its Cars, WLTP Costly for Volkswagen”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I got to see the new Blazer in person (Epcot, Test Track pavilion in Disney). I looks better than I expected after seeing pictures (to me it looked a little snarky in the photos) but live looked better. The one that I saw was a Premier model and listed for 49 thousand dollars. While not a derivative of the Colorado, which is a shame, it did come from the XT5 (Cadillac) platform, which is at least competent. It may be what some people will be looking for, and, at least it has the 3.6 L that you can’t get in the Equinox.

  2. rey Says:

    The future is electric, everybody is starting to get it, Thanks Tesla , Tesla is right now kicking ass in Germany, its mod 3 are demolishing sales records in its class there,the German Big 3 are in panic mode, their entry level sales are in the dump.

  3. DonWagner1239 Says:

    The Magna Tesla is amazing, but what does Tesla think of using their car for Magna to develop a complete power system for maybe other makers to use? Or, will Tesla buy the Magna motors and controls? Fascinating!

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    @rey, maybe some day but for now electric is still a tiny part of the market. Where I live I wouldn’t consider one, just doesn’t make any sense.

  5. Albemarle Says:

    Tesla certainly has buyer interest at present, but I think it’s less about it being an EV and more about it being a very talked about performance car. It’s a side issue that it’s an EV. If it was the main point, other more affordable EVs would be selling better too as Tesla sales rise. Not happening in major numbers.
    The Tesla relies on being an EV for its performance; not for its popularity.

  6. Albemarle Says:

    3 I think Magna’s Tesla car is a sales tool they hope to use with the German manufacturers. Want Tesla popularity and even better performance? Put our system in your car and be instantly competitive.

    From the early EV offerings from the European manufacturers, it’s apparent they have too far to go to get something competitive into the market in a couple of years. They need help.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t see the point of Magna’s putting their powertrain in a Tesla, which already has the best electric powertrain on the planet. If they want to sell electric powertrains, why don’t they approach someone who needs help with such things, like almost everyone except Tesla.

    Here is something really cool to do with a Model S.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    4 EVs are the FUTURE but as usual you have no clue whatsoever. Tesla had an EPIC 2018, by far the most successful US automaker, BY FAR. Now it can sell the Model 3 in Europe and will even MAKE it in CHina, and CHina is the BIGGEST EV market in the world so far, twice the second biggest US market. I know that all this important info goes in one year and out the other, but I am writing it for the benefit of the others here as well.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    2 Already in 2018 in the US market it killed the BMW 3 series.

    A few years ago, (pre-Tesla) everybody and his mother-in-law were making “3 Series Killers”, all of which failed.

    TOday every day a new maker is trying to make a “Tesla Model 3 Killer”, amateurs like Chinese Geely-Volvo-Polestar, and they will all fail as well.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    6 only VW Group, with VW-Audi and Porsche attacking differenrt segments of the EV Market, are making a serious effort, including superchargers etc. VW group is investing 68 Billions on this. AND if they are able to make an affordable EV below the Model 3 in price, they got it made.

  11. DonWagner1239 Says:

    7. Seems to be a favorite of custom coach builders now:
    Probably a few others.

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    @8 Like I said maybe they are or maybe something else is around the corner. I unlike you don’t pretend to know every thing, or so you can understand. I UNLIke yOu don’T pretEND to know everything and I”M not in my parent’S basement trying to LOOk important.

  13. Drew Says:

    For what do the acronyms EPIC, FUTURE, FAR, AND, BY, BIGGEST, and MAKE represent? I can figure it out for BMW, VW, and EV.

  14. Larry D. Says:

    7 Seen it before. Didn’t I post a link for it here? The S already has a design that can take much more cargo in the back than a sedan, being of a coupish-hatchish design like the first Panamera, and originally one could get a 6th and 7th seat for the back (now they have dropped that option).

    13 Don’t know if you just pretend or you really believe that EPIC etc are acronyms? As I have OFTEN said, this editor does not allow us to use anything, no underline, no bold, and no italics, SO I use uppercase for EMPHASIS. If you don’t like it, tell the site to update so we can use the above three other ways to emphasize.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    Re the Tesla flip-flop in the US market, lots to think about. Its first decision to close all the stores, not sure if they did their homework and considered all consequences.

    Now they retreat and will close very few stores, but slapped 3% on all its models except the base Model 3.

    Sales from S and X are much lower than the 3 to make a big difference, and much of the expensive demand for the 3 has already been satisfied with the huge sales of Q4 2018 and more modest ones in early 2019.

    If that investment firm who sold all its Tesla shares after the first announcement was able to influence Tesla decision making, it is not something I have seen with investment firms that put (and lost) their $ with GM and Chrysler over so many decades.

    In any case, the US is not just one (the second biggest, and maybe on its way to become the third biggest, after Europe) market for Tesla.

  16. Drew Says:

    Larry, there are no morons among the ALD viewership. We don’t need caps for emphasis (emphasis is only needed when the writer thinks he or she is sharper than the reader).

  17. Larry D. Says:

    15 PS Typo, I meant to type at the end, the US is “now”, not “not” just one.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    16 spare me. I totally disagree with the utter strawman “emphasis is only needed when the writer thinks he or she is sharper than the reader”. This is just your own opinion, which I have never heard before BTW.

    you claim. It has nothing to do with morons. Many are just uninformed. I use emphasis with everybody, make sure I have their ATTENTION. And in case anybody brings this up, in my case, uppercase has nothing to do with being angry or shouting or whatever, as others claim.

    Now, after wasting all this time of mine and of others who read your posts, do you have a useful, interesting contribution to make to the discussion other than to play the hall monitor?

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It didn’t sound very good to me that Tesla would close most of their stores. Many people like to trade what they have, rather than sell it themselves, and in many or most states, you pay sales tax on the difference, so you don’t need to get as much for your old car as if you sell it outright. Also, I suspect most people still like to test drive a car, and to check out the interior, etc. before buying. The “money back guarantee” is not a good alternative, as it would be difficult, or impossible to get your sales tax back in most states.

    Maybe Elon should consider offering dealership franchises is states that don’t allow direct sales. Penske might be a good candidate.

  20. Drew Says:

    @7 – Kit, I can understand the desire of Magna to make a demonstration vehicle that exposes people to the greater potential of Magna’s technology. As nearly anything “Tesla” garners media and competitive interest, I view Magna’s vehicle choice as a method that their end.

    From a more practical perspective, a subset of Magna’s technology may have nearer term benefit in a full size truck 4×4 application. As GM and Amazon hedge their truck EV bet with Rivian, the larger work truck market won’t tolerate its limited range when used in heavy cargo load situations. The potential solution will be a hybrid 4×4 where one axle runs via ICE power and the other axle runs via battery/electric power.

  21. Drew Says:

    @19 – I completely agree. Although there are many on-line sources of vehicle reviews and self-labeled expert recommendations, some things are too subjective or too personal to leave to chance. And at $30-70,000 for a new vehicle (more for a Tesla), most customers will want to assess the seat comfort, interior and cargo space, quality of materials/fit, etc for themselves.


    20) You are correct. For the truck market on the whole, hybrid is the correct solution for now. At least until battery technology improves. Far too much battery mass is required to do the same job as a current Silverado in terms of long distance towing/hauling.

    The rivian BEV is great for those who can get by with the capability of a Honda Ridgeline. For those that need the towing and hauling power of a Silverado, they will be better served with a hybrid electric. Like the P2 system in the Dodge or better yet, a P3 system. The P4 systems that Magna showed would likely be hard to package in the front end of a truck(the only available location for a electric secondary axle).

  23. Bob Wilson Says:

    #4 posted, “Where I live I wouldn’t consider one …” and that makes perfect sense especially in many areas between the Rockies and Mississippi river.

    There are strings of fast DC chargers, Tesla SuperChargers, along the Interstates around vast areas lacking any significant EV charging. The web site PlugShare can easily show where the chargers are and EV owner comments describe how well they work. Sad to say, the dealers have chargers but often derated and locked up at night.

    I am trading in a 640 mi range, 2017 Prius Prime on a 220 mi, standard range, Model 3 even though the 274 mi segment between Tulsa OK and Little Rock AR seems too far. Happily, there is a station midway in Ozark AR. In a two hour rest stop at the truck stop, we’ll get enough charge to bridge the gap. But we also have a graph of mph vs range and can adjust speed to bridge the gap.

    An EV is not for everyone but it does offer opportunities for road adventures.

  24. Drew Says:

    I just drove 1200 miles in less than 18 hours (I-74 from MI to FL). Three fuels stops with 1/3 of the trip in wintry conditions. I suspect such a trip will take much more time in a Tesla.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 It sounds like your mode of highway driving is similar to mine, for my 1100 mile trips between IN and FL. I only need two fuel stops, though.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Here’s an ideal application for electric trucks. Make deliveries by day, and charge it overnight.

  27. Drew Says:

    I do just 2 stops as well… start with a full tank, finish empty… but technically that’s 3 tanks.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    I grew up in an era when some roads didn’t have banks and cars had difficulty going much over 60 mph and no seat belts. Yes, I’ve done ‘road warrior’ trips but then I go married. Girl parts work differently and they are not sympathetic to peeing in a bottle. But the relatively slower block time is real.

    The first 220 mi segment in the Model 3 takes 3 hours @70 mph and then you add about 0.5 hour, for the next ~150 miles. Due to charge taper, you only partially charge for each subsequent segment.

    For the rest of the trip, you do 2 hour, 150 mi segments @70 mph with 0.5 hour charging. The block-to-block speed will be 150 miles/2.5 hours ~= 60 mph block-to-block speed … and arrive with a happy wife and dogs.

    Did I mention that Autopilot is my co-driver. Unlike when I was younger and my brothers and I could swap drivers while moving, Autopilot takes a lot of stress off so I won’t be nearly as tired when I get there.