AD #2565 – All-New Ford Escape Revealed, NYC Adopting Congestion Toll, PSA & FCA in Talks to Share Platform

April 2nd, 2019 at 11:48am

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Runtime: 7:03

0:06 Global Car Sales Continue to Fall
0:47 Norway Going Gaga for EVs
1:21 NYC Adopting Congestion Toll
2:31 PSA & FCA in Talks to Share Platform
2:59 NHTSA Investigating Hyundai/Kia Fires
3:38 BMW Accelerates Smart Factory Development
4:19 Ford Reveals All-New 2020 Escape
5:48 Uruguay Barn Find Identified

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32 Comments to “AD #2565 – All-New Ford Escape Revealed, NYC Adopting Congestion Toll, PSA & FCA in Talks to Share Platform”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    So do the Norwegians want these electrics or is it the government’s subsidies that are defining the switch. Again, as in China and their bonus for buying electrics, no taxes for the electric engine’d vehicles in Norway may be fueling the changeover. Just wondering if they truly embrace these new vehicles or are they being driven by finance. I couldn’t find whether the charging locations are driven by subsides or not.

  2. XA351GT Says:

    I hope the Norwegians don’t have to drive far between destinations, because I would think their battery range would be severely affected by having to run a heater most of the year. Anything that heats or cools draws a huge amount of power. Chuck , I’d be willing to bet that if and when the subsidies go away the sales would as well. The only thing that makes them financially appealing at the moment is the money bringing the price down closer to a ICE vehicle. My major concern is China controls most of the Lithium mines for battery production , What happens when they cut off everyone and extort what they want ? You will see the prices go into the stratosphere.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like there are a lot of EV subsidies in Norway. Some are going away, but probably not the biggest ones.

    https://elbil.no/english/norwegian-ev-policy/

  4. WineGeek Says:

    I am convinced that the most effective “electric” is a plug in with a 30 to 50 mile electric range. This is a reasonable compromise in mileage without range anxiety. Currently we own a Prius Prime Plug In. It has a bout 25 miles electric, but I drive a lot of longer trip and there is not an electric that could cover me as I travel around the northeast putting on lots of mileage. I am a salesman and I would spend half my day at electric charging stations if I had a full electric. Even a Tesla wouldn’t suffice to get me through the day especially in the winter when the mileage drops from 300 to 200 on a cold day. For people who travel mostly local and commute to work a full electric might work, but in many more cases a plug-in is a more viable solution.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    1, 2, 3

    As we have discussed before, Norway is a large area country with a tiny 4-5 mill population. It used to be a very poor country in the 19th and early 20th century, but they found much more oil and gas in the North Sea that they needed, so they exported it and made hundreds of billions, which they saved wisely for the future.

    Ironically, and despite the very limited pollution they have (100% unlike China), they decided to go whole hog EV. They have no domestic automakers, and they have 100 times the $ they need to subsidize their BEVs (and penalize their gas and diesels).

    But the big story is NOT Norway, which is an outlier, but GERMANY, whose BEVS rose a huge 81.7% last month, the largest nation in W Europe with 80+ million population, and the only large W Europe nation in excellent econ shape!

    And the biggest news of all in the BEV front is CHINA. Everything else is dwarfed by comparison, if you know your stats.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    5 they did make a silly, inferior tiny BEV, the so-called “Think”, in Norway. Have not heard about it in a decade, so I assume it went bankrupt or faded into the sunset.

    4. This is true just for the next few years, not forever. In the long run, a plug-in dirty vehicle will never be as efficient as a pure EV. No vehicle with two powerplants can be as efficient on the highway, where you barely need 10% of your peak HP. Regardless, buyers of hybrids prefer to go whole hog and be pioneers and take the risks. I assume it is like a drug, the truly exhiliarating performance of the Teslas, this is why they buy them, instead of the far more sensible, in the SHORT term, Prius plug-in or Chevy Volt, which is already dead, by GM hands no less.

  7. Roger Blose Says:

    I always wonder what the EVs will do to the rental car guys. Bring the car back on a low charge and the car must sit for a period of time re-charging for the next guy. Can you see the rental counter”…sir would you like to purchase a full charge today or pay for the re-charging?”. And running low on a charge and trying to get back to the airport to make a flight. No A/C or heat to make it back in time I guess.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    I had to make 100s of rentals over the years, 90% of them for business purposes and 10% for personal, family vacations etc.

    They are two totally different situations. For my business trips, I almost never needed more than 100 miles over 1 to 3 days. Rent a car at the airport, drive to the hotel, drive to the plant the next day, back to the airport and that’s it. Pure EVS would be IDEAL for this type of rental.

    The personal and vacation rentals almost always had much more intensive driving, 1000s of miles in a fewe days, so in those few cases BEVs would be a poor or impossible choice (As of TODAY! NOT 5or 10 years from now, when things could be vastly different)

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6, A few Think cars were assembled in Elkhart, IN, RV capital of the world.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8, Uber has made rental cars nearly obsolete for business trips like yours.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    10 not in my case, the low no of miles may consist of 10-12 small trips, I would not want to rely on Uber 10 times during a 2 day stay. I must say I have not done one of these type business trips for 8 years now, but back in 2010 or before, the 100 or so miles consisted of many smaller segments. Even going from one facility to the other, going out in the evening for a dinner or whatever, etc.

  12. Albemarle Says:

    It’s interesting that Norway does not subsidize EVs. Rather, there’s a 100% tax on ICE cars. I think this is a clever way to encourage what the government wants. Don’t want an EV? No problem, you can buy whatever you want and the government gets to laugh all the way to the bank, where they can put their ICE tax money along with all their offshore oil profits.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11, The closest I come to business trips now, I just need to get from the airport to the hotel and back. I just walk everywhere else, or use public transport if available. That way, I don’t have to drive in cities I’m not familiar with, and don’t need to park a car in places where free, and convenient parking is not available. I’ve had very good experiences with Uber, so far. Others’ experiences may be different.

  14. Ukendoit Says:

    Norway and China are very different extremes, but EVs would make sense in both cases. Norway has the highest share of electricity produced from renewable sources in Europe, and the lowest emissions from the power sector, so that level of clean energy lends nicely to the electric vehicles. There are not very many roads to the icy North, but there are still charging stations up there in remote places (where you would not want to get stuck).
    China on the other hand, has so much pollution in the cities, that it makes sense to relocate the pollution to the electricity plants, then try to deal with cleaning up energy production there.
    #2) There are many new battery technologies being studied now that will make batteries more energy dense and more importantly, cheaper with more common materials such as carbon and paper. As these get perfected and come online, prices should come down and EVs will be more common.

  15. lambo2015 Says:

    The congestion toll will help with traffic and push people to use more public transportation (good thing) but using the increase time statistic of people sitting in traffic could be misleading. The original highway system in the US was formed in 1956 and didn’t get completed for 35 years. So most highways are between 40 and 70 years old. Many are under much needed construction and closing lanes causes congestion. If the US made a major investment to upgrade our highways like what was done during the initial inception. We would spend a lot less time sitting in traffic. The highways have not increased at the same rate as the population of vehicles that use them. Obviously major cities like NY cannot just add more roads in a congested city with limited real-estate but I believe that statistic did not just assume inner city congestion.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    13 Unless the business associates pick you up at the airport, in most US locations, public transport is lousy, time consuming, to non-existent as you go out west, where you can’t walk from anywhere to anywhere (esp if you are short of time). I first realized that when I went to Denver to a conference, at a time I was living in New England (Boston area). Totally different density. Usually I would get reimbursed for all my expenses, so I did not mind an expensive car rental, on business trips. That’s where I tried the Prius, back in 2009 at LAX.

  17. lambo2015 Says:

    2020 Escape looks like a tall focus from the front. I really feel for the design engineers as I get that there is little you can do to stand out in the SUV/CUV platforms. They all look very similar and without the badging I doubt many people could tell the difference. So I guess the plan is make all your products look alike. So develop a crazy grill like Alfa Romeo and go across the board so at least everyone knows the manufacturer.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 It’s unfortunate that the US doesn’t have decent public transportation, either being built, or properly maintained. That would help alleviate traffic. The New York subway system is good, but ill maintained, and still suffering problems from the flooding caused by Sandy a few years ago.

    Trains, done probably, would be a great way to go from Miami or Orlando to Atlanta, much more efficient, and almost as quick as flying, given the need to go to an airport two hours early.

  19. lambo2015 Says:

    When I lived in LA if I scheduled my Uber soon as my plane hit the gate it would arrive within a few minutes of me walking out the door and I don’t check luggage. Cost from LAX to Hollywood was typically $25 even though it would take 45 to 60 min. Great deal when leaving my car at the airport was easily $20 a day.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Two cities I’ve been recently that, maybe surprisingly, have light rail from the airport to the downtown area are St. Louis and Minneapolis. The St. Louis train goes through some areas I probably wouldn’t want to go through on the train alone at night, but it works pretty well. It uses track and, as I remember, a couple tunnels that have existed a long time. There is no way they would build it now. The Minneapolis train connects the big mall, the airport, and the city center, with stops along the way. It also works well, with trains every 10-15 minutes.

  21. cwolf Says:

    I, too, find train travel quite enjoyable and relaxing. So far I went to D.C., Chicago, Toronto and Vegas. From there I used light rail and Uber if I did not get a rental. I really hope more people realize that this may be a better way to travel rather than to waste so much time just to get on a cramped plane with a list of restrictions. I would feel more comfortable if a presence of more security was made known.
    Now that I have retired, I am giving Wine Geeks comment (#4) more thought. As I grow older, a vehicle that gets 25 or more EL. miles might suffice daily needs plus longer trips with the ICE.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    21 I have stopped flying planes for any distances less than 750 miles, esp after 9/11 and the deterioration of airline service, but I have to make lengthy overseas flights all the time. However, us Train service is from horrible to nonexistent, If I don’t fly, I drive. And if you have a really nice car, you travel like a King.

    I have once tried to do the trip to DC, a 530 mile, 8 hour or less drive by car, by train. I went on the web, and it would take a LUDICROUS 17 hours to do the trip, plus some time to go to the train station which was 50 miles south of here. Obviously I never did it.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 A few years ago I took a train from D.C. to Orlando with a group. I took about 17 hours, vs. 13 by car. That is about as good as it gets in the U.S., land of crappy passenger rail. That is much better than between Orlando and Indianapolis, though. That takes about 45 hours by train, vs. 17 by car. The only train route is via the D.C. area.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoH8nZcmMO0

    I am listening to this video as I type. The speaker owns both a Bolt and a Model 3, so it does not get any more fair than this comparison, and he makes a very detailed one.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 I suspect a lot of people would like the “tech” of the Bolt better, as it pertains to user friendliness for basic controls, but otherwise, the video seemed pretty good. It surprised me that he didn’t even discuss the area where the Model 3 would shine compared the Bolt, performance. While the Bolt is quick, with a 0-60 of 6.8 seconds in CR’s test, the Model 3 is 1.5 seconds quicker. Also, the 3 handles better, but rides worse according to CR.

    There must have been a huge subsidy when he leased his Bolt, with a $200/month lease, for an almost $40K MSRP car.

  26. Ukendoit Says:

    The Kona EV may pique the interest of people eyeing the Bolt or Model 3, but Hyundai was caught off guard by how popular it is, so I can’t get my hands on one to try it. As reported here, it sells for only $37.5K before incentives. We can’t tell how many have been sold though, because as another source states:
    “Unfortunately for us, Hyundai doesn’t report Kona EV sales separately from the gas-powered version, so we can’t say exactly how many it’s sold. But hopefully, customers who can’t yet get their hands on the car can understand that automakers can’t scale up production overnight. We do sympathize with them, though. Like we said in the beginning, the Kona is one of the best affordable EVs on the market.”

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 The Kona EV will be eligible for the tax credit for some time to come. Neither the dealer near me near in the “space coast” area of FL, nor a large Orlando dealer have any Kona EVs in inventory, according to their web sites. If it’s like Bold and Prius Prime, though, maybe they never had any in this part of the country, and won’t for months.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26,27, Yep, the Kona EV will be sold only in California, or maybe a few other places in the US, but not most places.

    https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-limited-u-s-availability/

  29. Larry D. Says:

    25 He did not mention performance, but did comment on the uncomfortable seats of the Bolt, which he thought should only be used for short trips, or fatigue sets in. He noted the higher sitting position on the Bolt vs the sports car lower position of the 3.

    That huge bargain he got, which enabled him to lease the Bolt, he said they never offered again. This also enabled him not to get stuck with the Bolt (leasing), so little risk.

    However on the tech side I understood he said the Tesla is light years better than the Bolt, all these over the air upgrades etc etc.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    March sales were lower for most makers, that detailed EV sales site does not have Tesla sales in yet (didn’t they report quarterly sales, also GM and Ford?) but Wards estimated 21,000 Model 3s sold in March 2019, along with a couple thou each for the S and the X.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29, On the “tech upgrades,” it’s interesting that they decided to turn on the heated rear seats, which were probably originally part of an extra cost package. With the brakes, they apparently tweaked the ABS software, making it like it should have been all along, but it’s cool that they could do that via cell link, rather than having to do it “in person.”

  32. Ukendoit Says:

    28, That article was from October and said, “initial availability in California and subsequently in the ZEV-focused states”, but I heard more recently that Hyundai claimed anyone can now order the Kona EV in any state, they just won’t send extra supply to all states. They said that before the demand exceeded production though, so you may be able to order it anywhere, you just won’t get it!