AD #2593 – 2020 Toyota Supra Details, BAIC Wants to Buy Stake in Daimler, Dealer Inventory Expensive

May 13th, 2019 at 11:47am

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Runtime: 6:54

0:07 BAIC Wants to Buy Stake in Daimler
0:38 What’s in A Name?
1:14 Dealer Inventory Expensive
2:12 Weekend Race Results
3:19 Ferrari May Join Drive to Survive Series
4:01 2020 Toyota Supra Details
5:15 What Will Win – LIDAR or Machine Vision?

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42 Comments to “AD #2593 – 2020 Toyota Supra Details, BAIC Wants to Buy Stake in Daimler, Dealer Inventory Expensive”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    I could care less what the Toyota press releases say. The new Supra is a failure. First, it has a BMW engine. That does NOT a Toyota make. I am sick and tired of these bastard vehicles like the Toyobaru, which I saw the other day, and especially in the rear, it looks AWFUL, the taillights seem taken from some cheap toy. The rest of it is nothing to write home about either.

    There was a time (20 or 30 years ago) that the Supra STOOD for something. Not now.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I can’t see the Supra selling well at all. It will probably drive well, but, to me, it doesn’t look good at all, and at very close to base Corvette and Cayman prices? I sure wouldn’t consider the Supra.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    1 I meant mutt, not purebred, not ‘bastard’ vehicles. The rest of my post I stand behind 100%.

  4. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The new Supra may be a terrific performer but my styling eye relegates it to being hideous (I’m being kind, as others on other forum, are not as kind). That being said, I’m on board with response 1 and 2 in today’s comments.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    4 Your kindness, calling the Supra “hideous” is off the charts.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 I was really kind about the styling in #2.

  7. Batride Says:

    Fugly from every angle. Should be banned from public exposure as visually offensive.

  8. MJB Says:

    Drive To Survive:
    I binged the 10 episodes of that series just a month ago. As someone who doesn’t follow ANY auto racing, I was glued to the screen. Not just for the crashes, but the documentary story telling too. I was wondering why they didn’t touch on Louis Hamilton… Glad you cleared that up, Sean.

    New Supra:
    At first (when all we had were photos to look at) I didn’t like the design. But I held back on judging it until I got a chance to see it in person. After seeing it at the Detroit Auto Show in January, my distaste was soundly confirmed and firmly cemented. I can’t stand that thing!! Give me that 4th gen (A80) Supra all day long (style-wise)!

  9. Jesse Maiolo Says:

    All I can say is yuk ON THE LOOKS.It’s a cross between the Z4,the alfa romeo Giulia and old BMW hard tops,z3 maybe….and 330 something HP?? Nah.Pass.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    Yeah! The Supra looks like some kid got ahold of a BMW Z4 and after watching a few videos on DIY fiberglass body panels, tried to make his own creation. Drawing inspiration from a few cars and adding air-intakes under the lights and in the door?
    I’m not sure the BMW motor will have an affect on sales as many might consider that a positive thing. As kit noted though with a starting price in the 50s there are many other offerings that will make the Supra hard to justify even if you can get past the wonky styling.

  11. bradley cross Says:

    Supra looks great as being Japanese its a little different.

    How many commentators would really buy a 2 door sports car over $50K that was not a corvette or Porsche?

  12. Larry D. Says:

    9 It wishes it were “Japanese”. It is an ugly halfbreed with a BMW engine. The engine is the HEART of a vehicle. No way is this atrocity a Toyota.

  13. Ron Paris Says:

    I love the way automotive journalists refer to the “common platform” of the Z4 and the Supra, but invariably fail to mention that the entire drive train is shared too!

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    The Supra reminds me of a 1972 Opel GT with ground effects. I would take a 1970s Nissan 280Z over the new Supra.

  15. Drew Says:

    Wow, lots of bashing about the Supra’s styling. But let’s not limit ourselves… the best looking Toyota or Lexus earns nothing better than “tolerable”.

  16. MJB Says:

    @13. Eyes of the beholder. Because I’d definitely buy that Lexus LC500.

  17. Lawrence Says:

    So is BMW watering down it’s product line too…with Toyota platforms and drive lines?
    Perhaps the money would have been better spent on EV models that could help it catch up in the fast moving China market.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    14 Not really. Japanese exterior styling is really lame. The cheapskates spend billions developing each new model but are too stingy to pay an Italian design studio a few measly millions, a pittance by comparison, to get a half-decent design they could then sell for thousands more per unit. I bet the upper management who approves of these atrocities has no clue how ugly they look to the Western eye.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14. I thought the Opel GT looked pretty good, in a mini Corvette sort of way.

    As far as the Supra using a BMW powertrain, yeah, it’s a mutt, but since BMW makes what are probably the best 6 cylinder engines in the world, I wouldn’t hold that against it. The styling, and the Corvette/Porsche Cayman pricing, I would hold against it.

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 Yea I like the Opel better too the Supra just reminds me of one. Like what I would expect it to look like if it had stayed around. Maybe it was the tail lights but yes the Opel reminded me of a mini corvette.

  21. DonWagner1239 Says:

    Okay, I agree the styling is terrible and the BMW drivetrain doesn’t make it a Toyota (maybe that’s better, but why not something with a Lexus name?), but I haven’t seen how, why or when Toyota bought the Xfinity NASCAR racing series to get that Supra nose and name put on the front the cars. And, Larry, don’t need to remind us that the whole NASCAR business model is just to get us rednecks to buy the product names displayed on the sides of the cars with a secondary mention and thought of the car make.

    Also, Formula One is off my automatic DVR schedule. 90% a parade with Mercedes and Ferrari up front, swapping positions as the tires dictate, with another 10 or 15 also-rans bringing up the rear. How do those guys get lapped on a 3 or mile course?

    Brings up a question for NASCAR. I thought there was a minimum speed to maintain or that car would be black flagged. So how do so many get so far behind the leader. And what is wrong with unlimited time to fix body damage or letting the car go back to the garage, and what’s up with the lugnuts being loose or off? Wasn’t a problem until Tony Stewart commented. And the fines outrageous. Want to see some fun, unlimited pit road speed!!!

    Sorry, got off the Supra subject, but NASCAR, WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 There was some discussion Friday about advertising and its actual affects on pushing vehicles out the door. Surely NASCAR had an affect back in the day as it was the only reason the Monte Carlo stayed around for 37 years. I’m not sure if manufacturers get the bang for the buck on NASCAR now.
    Something that does seem to work is an iconic movie. “Jason Bourne” and the “Italian Job” did wonders for the Mini, “Fast and Furious” sparked civic S and like car sales and “Transformer” helped the Camaro. None of which did as much for a car as “Smokey and the Bandit” did for the Pontiac Trans Am.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Speaking of NASCAR, it was certainly a lot more interesting when they used real cars, like a Plymouth Superbird, but I understand the changes there; too many drivers were getting killed when they used real cars.

    When NASCAR mostly lost me, was when they started the “chase,” where only about the last third of the season counted. Then, they lost me completely when they went to “playoffs,” where a lucky few races wins the “championship.” Motor racing is not like team sports with balls, where you have a winner and a loser for each game. In NASCAR you have points all the way down, or in F1, half way down, so you have quite a bit of date if you just, you know, add up the points for the season. Oh well, maybe NASCAR fans like the playoffs, and they now the two or three breaks during each race. What is that about?

    I still follow F1. I like that there are four engine builders and 10 car
    builders, not, basically spec cars like NASCAR has become. I wish there was more competition at the front than we’ve seen this year, and more overtaking in general. Still, I watch each race, even sometimes getting up at 2:00 am to at least watch the start live. I wish someone could give Mercedes some competition, though. This season, the only actual racing is in the mid-pack.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 The slowest cars in F1 generally get lapped no more than twice in a ~50 lap race, so they are ~5% off the pace of the leaders. To me, that’s not bad, considering the level of complexity we’re talking about. Also, some of the lapped cars are lapped only because they lost time due to an “incident,” or had trouble in the pit, etc.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    23 You can still catch Factory stock racing at many small local tracks. I raced in ARCA division locally and it was a lot of fun. I only did it for a couple seasons as its an expensive sport. Sponsors only provided parts and the winnings never cover the costs. SCCA solo events are cheaper and still lots of fun. You should try one Kit and your Mini would probably do quite well.

  26. Nathan Friedland Says:

    With the domestic automakers leaving the car side of the business to concentrate on SUV’s and Trucks, what is the future of NASCAR? Will NASCAR only race foreign cars or will it evolve into a series for trucks and SUV’s?

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25. I’ve done some SCCA Solo II, but not in years. I’ve never done “fast” Solo I. My experience is in slow cars, so I’m sure I’d do better with the Mini than with the Corvette. I think my non-S Mini is in the lowest class, H Stock, which it should do well in. It would be fun to run the Prius, just for fun, if the tires were due to be replaced.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 The Lexus LC looks decent (to me), but almost $100K base price? I guess I’d rather have the three cars I have, for less money.

  29. Roger T Says:

    How do you make the fastest Toyota ever? Well, you start off with a BMW, then you tune the suspension. Why in the world is Toyota doing and then saying this?

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Wasn’t the LFA a faster Toyota than new BMWota?

  31. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/energy-economics/spencer-dale-group-chief-economist/energy-illustrated.html?utm_source=BP_Global_GroupCommunications_UK_external&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=10539942_Stats%20Review%202019%20-%20Warm%20up%201&dm_i=1PGC,69WO6,AT6M0U,OR9PU,1

    BP/Amoco’s chief Economist Spencer Dale and his 3-min take on EVs.

    There are 5 million or so EVs around today, which sounds respectable, if you don’t compare it to the 1 billion light vehicles total, which makes EVs half of one percent of the world fleet.

    Some predict they will grow fast, to 300 million EVs in 2040, but the world fleet then will be 2 billion cars, and EVs will still be a small minority, 15%.

    Of course these are not facts, but predictions, with a lot of variability.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    29 the LFA was much faster, and ridiculously overpriced, but had little more impact than a science project.

  33. XA351GT Says:

    @ #30 my own prediction is you won’t really see EVs take a major portion of the vehicle market until ICE vehicles are banned as some European countries have threatened. If people still want to drive they will have no choice but to buy a EV. Until that time I think they will continue to make modest gains ,but not at the rate that many predict. Human nature is until forced to won’t change from what it is used to and comfortable with.

  34. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I think the LFA was a halo car with high tech features and a high price tag; little ado about not too much (like the 15 minutes of fame kind) jmo

  35. Larry D. Says:

    32 you need to go back and see how many decades it took for ICE cars to really replace the horse and buggy. They had the same disadvantages that EVs have today, no infrastructure, no gas stations.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    31 same with the new Acura (overseas Honda) NSX, nobody cares really, and sales in the US are a tiny pittance, compared to same priced supercars from other makers well known for their supercars.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    32 you have not made any specific prediction. The BP/Amoco (a major oil co btw) 3 minute talk by its Chief Economist I linked, claim that in 2040, there will be 2 billion cars of which only 300 mill will be EVs, or 15%. Are your guesses even less than that?

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31, 33, 35 The LFA was a “halo car,” like both generations of Ford GT. They made 500 LFAs, about 4000 2004-2006 Ford GTs, and plan 1000 or so of the current GT. The first NSX was kind of a bargain exotic, and they made a few thousand, but the current NSX probably won’t reach near those production numbers.

  39. Lambo2015 Says:

    There’s a new king of Virginia International Raceway, and it’s the 2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1.

    Back in Feb 2018 we learned that Ford’s halo, the $450,000, all-carbon fiber GT, set a lap record for production cars at VIR with a time of 2:38.62, beating the previous record of 2:40.02 set by the Dodge Viper ACR in 2015.

    Doing the GT’s driving was Billy Johnson, who races the GT in the World Endurance Championship and helped Ford develop the supercar.

    Well, Chevy revealed that its ZR1 destroyed the GT’s time, with vehicle dynamics engineer Jim Mero having blasted around the track in a time of 2:37.25 during testing last month. That’s almost one and a half seconds quicker on a track that’s 4.1 miles in length.

    The time is made all the more impressive when you factor in the ZR1′s less exotic aluminum construction and front-engine layout, and there’s no ignoring its price tag that comes in at a quarter of the GT’s sticker. Cant imagine how the mid-engine will do.

  40. BobD Says:

    On dealer costs of inventory, the $37/day sounds like BS. If the vehicle is just sitting there, there will not be much depreciation so it is just the cost of money. A $50k vehicle at 20% interest is less than $3/day. And how can insurance be $150-300/month? I have two newer vehicles (a 2018 and 2019) and don’t pay $300/6 months on either of them with full coverage and $1 million liability. So I suspect insurance is more like $2/day…. So $3 + $2 = $5/day. Where is the other $32/day coming from?

  41. Lambo2015 Says:

    40 I think they have rolled in all the costs to keep the dealership open rent, lights, heat/AC, taxes, etc and divided that by the avg number of cars on their lot per month.

  42. XA351GT Says:

    Larry @37 It’s hard for to say. I think much will depend on governmental mandates. The only thing I can say is that without intervention from the governments I don’t see a wide push to all electrics by the masses. I think they will continue to increase in sales as people become more accustomed to them. I think price still means a lot . If a comparable EV still costs 10K+ more than a ICE I think it will take sometime