AD #2613 – PHEV Sales Plummet, Mercedes Intros Yet Another CUV, David Woodhouse Resigns from Lincoln

June 11th, 2019 at 11:41am

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Runtime: 7:03

0:06 China Sales Slipping
0:31 PHEV Sales Plummet
1:22 U.S. Inventory Levels Easing
3:00 FCA’s New Truck Diesel
3:48 Continental 3D Display
4:31 Mercedes Intros Yet Another CUV
5:59 David Woodhouse Resigns from Lincoln
6:27 Lincoln Corsair Redo For 2024

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36 Comments to “AD #2613 – PHEV Sales Plummet, Mercedes Intros Yet Another CUV, David Woodhouse Resigns from Lincoln”

  1. Dale Leonard Says:

    With the huge CUV and SUV explosion of Buyers I would like to know what the Auto Industry would do if suddenly the buying public suddenly abandoned these vehicles and turned back to Sedans?

  2. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/business-sites/en/global/corporate/pdfs/energy-economics/statistical-review/bp-stats-review-2019-full-report.pdf

    Just came out today, once a year. if you want to know what you are talking about on World Energy, this is indispensable. You will be surprised how many heads of state and CEOS read this little report and its data (NO speculation here!)

  3. Bob Wilson Says:

    So the Lexus “self-charging” hybrid campaign is digging the hole in the wrong direction? The web link is to an article at InSideEVs discussing ineffective this pitch is.

  4. wmb Says:

    While this GLB Class is okay looking, it’s a little easier to see its FWD roots on this vehicle, then it is on the X1. It’s squared off look is not as close to that of the G Wagon as promised. More suggested or reminiscent of the big G, IMHO, then inspired by as we were lead to believed

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    1) Changes in the market typically wane slowly so unlikely the buying public would just all of a sudden have no desire in CUV/SUVs and go back to sedans. If that were to happen tho companies like Kia/Hyundai, Nissan, VW would be a great position to capture market share. But why worry about something that trends in a direction over years?

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    To me PHEVs are like the mid-level Autonomy. Not completely there but has some advantages. In both cases the consumer wants either all or close to nothing. They will take advantage of the simple AV features like lane assist and active cruise, much like the hybrid EVs offer better MPG but don’t have to plug in. The middle-ground leaves you with a feeling of a half ass job.
    A hybrid is easy and essentially no different than a ICE vehicle but with a system that operates seamlessly to the driver and requires them to do nothing different. Where a PHEV now requires charging time and cords and still get gas and makes the operator very aware there are two separate systems. Full EV gets you back to a single system and you opt gas station visits with charging. Get the range over 150 Miles and a PHEV would be a great EV with no range anxiety. IMO

  7. BobD Says:

    So is the drop in PHEVs due to lack of interest, or the result of the Chevy Bolt going out of production, thus one of the better accepted plug-ins not being available any more (i.e, less supply rather than less demand to drive down sales)?

  8. BobD Says:

    7 Sorry, Chevy Volt going out of production

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Part of the reason plug-in hybrid sales are down, might be that the best selling one, Chevy Volt, has been discontinued.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    1 You know what will happen, it happened before when the oil crises killed the muscle cars and everybody bought econoboxes

  11. BobD Says:

    On inventories, I suspect your simplification of Mitsubishi’s 95 day supply being “In other words, it would take Mitsubishi’s dealers 3 months to sell off everything on their lots if they didn’t bring in any new ones.” is even worse. As inventories grow, dealers usually accumulate a lot of poorly configured vehicles with too many of the wrong options or undesirable exterior colors or interior colors/materials. So these “unloved” vehicles will hang around for a long, long time decreasing the sales rate even more. Not sure if other OEMs do this, but GM put an extra incentive on the oldest vehicles on their lot that help move these poorly configured vehicles.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    9 it has been discontinued for a good reason, it was an utter failure that cost GM billions and billions, a CRUZE at twice the price, and they still lost $ on each one they ever made. They should have never given the go ahead. But whenever automakers in Detroit have some extra billions in their pockets, they invariably do something really STUPID with them, whether it is the VOlt, or Ford buying all those LOSERS in Europe at a horrendous bloodbath to buy them AND a second one, billions and billions to fix them. (which it never really achieved), then selling them for peanuts.

  13. Roger Blose Says:

    Yes Woodhouse is running for the exits like all of Ford’s car customers. The new Lincolns do look great but with no more future cars to design, the Koreans will pick him up soon. Hackett is killing us. My Ford dealer does not have any Ford scooters in stock yet so I cannot use my X-Plan pricing.

  14. XA351GT Says:

    #1 It’s hard to go back to something that won’t exist especially in the case of Ford. They are dumping every car in the line up except the Mustang which is a coupe. GM is going a similar route as is FCA. So if you want a sedan offering from one of the US Big 3 your pretty much out of luck. Abandoning a entire segment seems like suicide for these companies if their SUV/SUV/and truck offerings tank in sales

  15. XA351GT Says:

    The only thing I see that would push people back to cars is $6 @ gallon gas. Otherwise they happily drive there Suburbatanks and Brodozers .

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 More Volts have been sold than any other PHEV, at least in the US, and people who have them, like them.

    14 GM is keeping Malibu for the foreseeable future, and FCA is keeping Charger. So far, Chevy seems to be keeping both the sedan and truncated hatch versions of Sonic, but I’m not sure why. The Cruze, which they dropped, was a better car.

    1 From what I see at dealers, it seems that the cars that don’t sell, are often the ones that are over-equipped. A $34K Malibu isn’t that much “better” than a $25K Malibu, and a $70K Corvette isn’t that much better than the $57K one I factory ordered three years ago, at least to me.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 The Volt and the Cruze were two of the signature achievements of the partnership between the Obama administration and General Motors following the auto-industry bailout. Although the Volt was long-planned by GM executives, it received a lot of support from the administration. Obama described the Cruze as “the car of the future.”…. Obama committed to buying a Volt after his presidency which of course never happened. The Volt was a decent car received North American car of the year in 2011 but it got no advertising whatsoever. and that attitude from GM trickled down to the dealerships too. They were more interested in large SUV sales where the profits were big. Why advertise a vehicle that your losing money on? So you can lose more money.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    If there were a competitively priced midsize SUV PHEV, I would be a customer. A Volt is a great technical achievement, but its a compact car with a full size price tag. The technology seems perfect for mid and large SUV’s. Who wouldn’t want a Tahoe that averages 30 mpg? Especially if it operates on electric power for all of the errands and trips to ball fields. For long family trips, it would still excel at providing outstanding fuel economy for a vehicle of its size. The closest anyone has come to a more efficient family vehicle so far is the Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Also, the Volt was politicized, which didn’t help at all.

    It was hard to even get a test drive in a Volt. I drove one about 3 years, ago, but sales people tried to talk me out of it. The one I drove was apparently near fully charged when I took it out, because the engine didn’t run during the ~20 mile drive. I liked it well enough that I might have bought one, if I had a place to charge it at my condo.

    A Prius Prime is close to a “no compromise” PHEV, in that it gets about the same mpg as a regular Prius if you drive it only on gas, but has 25 miles of plug-in range with not gas, enough for many commutes. The Volt has twice the electric range of a Prius Prime, but only about 75% of the mpg of a Prime, when driven on gas.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    There is a competitively priced midsize SUV PHEV, Mitsubishi Outlander, PHEV.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41184&id=40924&id=41133

    Yeah, not many Americans want to buy, or even consider Mitsu vehicles these days.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @18 See #20

  22. GM Veteran Says:

    Couldn’t even begin to tell you where the closest Mitsu dealer is to me. I have little faith in their longevity in this market. I would invest in a major brand. For now, I have a V6 Grand Cherokee that fits my needs and averages 23 mpg. It replaced a GMC Sierra pickup that averaged 15 mpg.

  23. gary susie Says:

    12 The way I understand it is that GM got a lot of patents off of the Volt and learned a lot about electric cars.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    The volt was an utter loser to begin with. WHy would one buy a Volt when one could have a far more practical, much more reliable Prius, and, no matter his driving pattern, would save a ton of $ over the stupid Volt? Even YOU got a whole series of Priuses and now a Camry Hybrid. Put your $ where your mouth is and you would be far more believable.

    After all, one could buy the Cruze and pay 50% less, one would never recover the diff over fuel savings.

    SO, to reitatate. The Volt was a LOSER. End of discussion.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 I don’t have a place to charge a plug-in car, where I spend 2/3 of my time. if I did, I might have bought a Volt, or might buy a pure EV now. I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD GET OVER YOUR CONTINUED NASTINESS. IT GETS OLD.

  26. Drew Says:

    Several comments:

    I am speculating Continental’s 3D HMI may find its way on a Tesla (the freshened Model S?).

    The MB GLB is just plain ugly on the outside… decent enough on the inside. IMO

    @24 – Wouldn’t catch me dead in an ugly Prius… too many better looking and equally efficient alternatives. IMO

    Curious how the new Ram 3L diesel compares to the F-150’s diesel.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 The only real Prius competitor, in mpg and liftback utility, Is the Ioniq hybrid. Camry and Accord hybrids are close in gas milage, and while not hatchbacks, the current versions have folding seat backs.

    The diesels will be interesting, when they all arrive, and there should be multiple comparisons for them.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    1 If you study the data in the link I gave in 2, you will conclude that there is little chance of a shock like in the 70s which will drive buyers away from the utilitarian crossovers and SUVs and back to the sedans.

    Actually, everybody here would learn a TON of stuff if they bothered to study this landmark annual report which just came out with data including calendar 2018.

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 I agree the Volt was a really good attempt by GM and looking at it from the merits of a PHEV it was a great vehicle. It wasn’t anymore or less reliable than the average car but the Prius does seem to be better, but that alone doesn’t make the Volt a Loser. What GM did with it is what made it a loser. Had they been able to offer it at a reasonable price and were making money then they would have advertised the car it would have done far better.

    According to Consumer Reports for 2019 the top 10 most reliable cars are; 10)Toyota Highlander, 9)Kia Sedona, 8)Honda fit 7)Toyota Prius 6)Lexus NX 5)Toyota Corolla 4) Mazda Miata 3)Toyota Prius Prime 2) Toyota Pruis C 1)Lexus GX

    Surprising to see a Kia and a Mazda. But even more surprising is there are no Teslas, Mercedes or BMW. (sorry Larry) 7 out of the 10 are Toyota/Lexus.

  30. Bob Wilson Says:

    We traded-in our Prius Prime, a PHEV, for a Tesla Model 3, a BEV. After 70 days, our Model 3 has over 7,000 miles.

    SuperCharger costs came in between 64 and 94 MPG, better than the Prius Prime. With AutoPilot, cross country driving becomes sitting in a comfortable chair, listening to tunes, and chatting with my wife.

    BTW, she and her dogs like the 20-30 minute charging breaks every +2 hours. At charger equipped motels/hotels, the car becomes a climate controlled, dog kennel so we don’t care if they are ‘pet friendly’ or not.

  31. Lambo2015 Says:

    30 Bob how do you equate charging to MPG? Are you just calculating the cost of elect to travel a specific distance compared to what that cost would be using gas?
    What is your charging cost per mile? Very curious.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    29 That is the whole point, GM was not able to offer the Volt, even with the outrageous $7,500 subsidy to its buyers, who had incomes far higher than that of the average American who paid this subsidy, at a price less than twice the Cruze it is based on, and even at that lofty price they lost a ton of $. If this does not make it a total loser, I don’t know what does. And no, the word “Great” would never bring the Volt to my mind. It was anything but. And at least the nerdy 1st gen made it a bit different than the Cruze, the second gen made it look just like the Cruze, and both were copies of the Civic, looks-wise.

    And if GM advertised the hapless Volt more, they would lose even more billions. It was a total no-win situation, and as Lutz shamelessly said, it was the pickup and SUV buyers at GM that subsidized the Volt loser, and he suggested the same will happen with future GM EVs.

  33. Brett Cammack Says:

    Question: do any of the PHEVs regeneratively charge the batteries under braking when operating on their ICE? I mean, there’s no practical benefit to recharging the batteries with the ICE, but that’s like free money, recovering energy when decelerating.

  34. Brett Cammack Says:

    32
    That infers, therefore, that if GM made EV trucks and SUVs, they would subsidize themselves and still make money.

  35. Bob Wilson Says:

    Lambo2015 figured it out. Using $2.50/gal, I divided my SuperCharger costs by the gas price to get gallons. Then I divided the miles by gallons for MPG.

    Charging costs are tricky because Tesla has a two tier cost model and there are local variations. So it is easier to use the totals at the end of the trip.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33. Hybrids, both plug-in and regular, sometimes use both regen and ice power to charge the battery, if the battery is “low” from long climbs, fast accelerations, etc. In normal driving, the ice will normally be off when slowing down, if warmed up.