AD 2628 – EV Sales Up, New Charger & Challenger Delayed for Negotiations? All-Electric Off-Road Racing Series

July 9th, 2019 at 11:54am

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Runtime: 7:44

0:07 June EV Sales Up
0:51 U.S. Governors Want 50-State Fuel Regs.
1:18 Chevy to Livestream Corvette Reveal
2:15 New Charger & Challenger Delayed for Union Negotiations?
4:03 Charger & Challenger Going Electric
5:13 MINI Electric Details
6:01 Bosch Helps Prevent T-Bone Accidents
6:27 New Electric Off-Road Racing Series

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20 Comments to “AD 2628 – EV Sales Up, New Charger & Challenger Delayed for Negotiations? All-Electric Off-Road Racing Series”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    Sean,

    Automotive News’ AM edition video says (and even has it in its title on the web) that this MINI will have range of only 114 Miles. are your higher estimates those phony European Range numbers? And what about the price?

  2. Larry D. Says:

    looking at the link you provide:

    ” Its model-specific lithium-ion battery enables a range of 235 to 270 kilometers*. (NOTE: US EPA estimated range figures not available)”

    I thought so. Fake news from Europe. it will be lucky to have 99 miles range in the winter.

  3. Albemarle Says:

    Sean, I think you are right that the slower replacement of the Charger and Challenger is mainly about the UNIFOR negotiations. UNIFOR has been very vocal and active about lost production in Canada. They really took on GM very aggressively about the Oshawa facility shutdown. FCA has always been more Canadian focussed than GM or Ford. I think they want these negotiations to be smooth and having a big gimme in their back pocket is a great way to start.

  4. ChuckGrenci Says:

    [Quote]” The only thing holding them back, according to Kuniskis, is the price of batteries”. [Unquote] Well that has been the “Gorilla in the Room” from the start and will continue to be until that ultimate break-through (I know, nothing new in my statement but we keep hearing the same old thing so I’m also regurgitating the obvious too).

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    I wouldn’t doubt that the tariff threats might also play into FCA’s decision to not announce build location for the Challenger/Charger.

    Could the electric accessory assist that Ram put on the trucks be considered going electric? I could see the Charger/Challenger using that same system. Cannot see adding more weight/cost to an already heavy car to add a hybrid version.

    Off road racing series; Watching an EV race has to be much like a silent amusement park. The roar of the engines has long been a part of the experience. I recently visited a full electric go-cart track and they were fast and fun to drive and inside with no fumes, but they even piped engine noise thru the headrest to help keep it exciting.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    Will Mini even bother to try and sell the Mini E in the US? With all other makers besides Tesla selling so few units, and the Mini is on the higher side of the price range for that segment.
    I see they sold like close to 372,000 units world wide in 2017 but only like 25k were in the US down from almost twice that amount from 09 to 15 when they were selling over 50K a year. A more expensive EV version with less range… Cant say flop fast enough.

  7. Terry Quinn Says:

    Lots of love of electric cars in this column. But setting aside California (which provides a rich state subsidy along with the federal subsidy), the average percent of cars being sold as electrics, for the 49 other states, is only 1.1%.

  8. Bob Wilson Says:

    About the Mini, “a gross energy content of 32.6 kWh” compared to our 2014 BMW i3 with a gross energy content of 22 kWh has a 72 mi EPA range. A straight-line approximation suggests the Mini will have (32.6 / 22) * 72 ~= 107 mi range. But it gets worse.

    They are planning 50 kW, fast DC charging, which means like our 2014 BMW i3, barely able to reach another fast DC charger. Then facing a minimum, 45 min charging session. With 2,207 BMW i3 sold in 2019, the Mini can only cannibalize the BMW i3.

    Did someone ‘steal’ 2014 BMW i3 design specs and decide a 5 year old design is the way to go? Add an Atkinson optimized engine or even a small diesel and it could take BMW i3-REx sales … all 10 dozen.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    8 interesting data. I did see a rare i3 as I was walking down the three blocks from my summer home to the beach for my evening swim tonight. (7:45 PM till sunset 7 days a week). it looked very spacious inside. Here most cars are tiny hatchbacks so it benefited from the comparison too.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    7 you do realize that the first gas cars in the late 1800s and early 1900s faced exactly the same problems and challenges? TINY market share vs horses and buggies, NO gas pump infrastructure, etc? You should study your history. And if I would guess, there is no love in you for EVs, is it? We want our cancer-causing emissions, don’t we.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #5 Yeah, I suspect the “electrification” of Charger/Challenger means the mild hybrid system used in Ram pickups. Not-so-coincidentally, the cars and trucks use the same basic powertrains.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    10 I wouldn’t say it was the exact same problems. Gas was available actually in drug stores before the first gas station as farmers has gas tractors in the late 1800s. The biggest problems they had was reliability. Having a flat tire was as common as twice a day. Plus antifreeze hadn’t been developed so blocks would freeze in the winter. Then there was issues with no paved roads so in the spring getting stuck was pretty common. Reliability or infrastructure is not what is holding back EVs. Its cost, charging time, and unknown longevity of a very expensive battery which equals depreciation. When someone develops the Model T of EVs and offers an inexpensive EV that out performs a gas vehicle like the model T out performed a team of horses then EVs will sell.

  13. Steve W Says:

    Is it possible the new Dodges have been sidelined due to lack of cash at FCA?

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Speaking of EVs, today I test drove one, a Zero motorcycle. Not surprisingly, it was quick at lower speeds, and the quietness was cool. It handled well, by usual “standard” motorcycle criteria.

    Even more than an electric car, though, the bike would not be suitable for road trips, with the longest range version going only 112 miles at 70 mph. Still, if I were in the market for a bike to replace my KLR650, in Indiana where I could charge in my garage, the Zero would be high on my shopping list. While the KLR is a “dual sport,” I ride it only on the street, and almost entirely on short enough trips that the range would be adequate with a home charge.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    As long as the Challenger and Charger sell in reasonable numbers, they should probably keep making them, more-or-less as they are. The Challenger is truly a one of a kind, a big, but semi-affordable two door car, with a big trunk and a usable back seat. It nominally competes with Mustang and Camaro, but it doesn’t really compete with those cars, in that it trades a lot of handling finesse for more room. The Challenger just “drives big” in comparison, at least to me, and yes, I’ve driven all of them.

    I can’t help but think that if they tried to make a Challenger on the Alfa platform, they would screw it up, and it wouldn’t sell as well as the current one, even though done properly, it should compete with the Ford and Chevy “pony cars” in all aspects of performance.

    As far as Charger, I suppose the main market is police cars, and they seem to be losing that market to Ford trucks. If the Charger market completely evaporated, it would complicate things, because it would be hard to justify making Challenger with no platform mates, and a volume of ~65K/year.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 When the i3 was introduced, a lot of what I read was that it was largely an exercise in use of new materials, like carbon fibre, with a little styling quirkiness thrown in. I found the range extender interesting, using the engine from the “C” scooter. Comparing the i3 with a Chevy Bolt in CR’s charts, the Bolt is a little roomier, but is 6 inches longer. To me, both are best as commuter cars, charged at home, but can be used for trips with some extra effort. Well, the i3 needs to be a REx to do road trips at all.

  17. Don B. Says:

    Wait, what Ocean? E racing, you did say ocean? Are they going to use or make amphibious vehicles?

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    17 Yeah what is ocean racing? I would assume the beach but not sure how that would be much different than desert.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Maybe they need extra protection from salt spray on the electronics.

  20. marshy Says:

    The Brampton plant has cranked out those cars for years. IF Chrysler was serious about relocation, what plant is the natural heir?

    What Sean didn’t mention or address is if the 300 is out of the picture or not. Being a big sedan in Chrysler’s abandoned car line makes it a target…or did I miss the news that it is done.

    Either way, the plant has found a market for north of 200k units a year for a long time, making it a money maker on paid-for tooling. (Don’t know 2018 numbers though.)

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