AD #2666 – GM Developing New Vehicle for U.S. Army, Audi Creates Digital OLEDs, Training Centers at Core of UAW Scandal

August 30th, 2019 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 7:59

0:06 Paris Suburb Tests “Noise Radars”
0:34 GM Developing New Vehicle for The U.S. Army
1:26 Ford Reveals Big Nugget Concept
2:09 Genesis SUVs Arrive In 2020 & 2021
2:45 Subaru Updates the Impreza
3:16 Audi Develops Digital OLEDs
4:01 Import Tariffs Causing Uncertainty in Auto Industry
5:43 Training Centers at Core of UAW Scandal

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35 Comments to “AD #2666 – GM Developing New Vehicle for U.S. Army, Audi Creates Digital OLEDs, Training Centers at Core of UAW Scandal”

  1. Bob Wilson Says:

    You’ all drive safely this weekend. There are too many on the road who won’t.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I may need to drive away from a hurricane.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    A million dollars to develop and build a working prototype? That’s quite the bargain for the military. However seems like with such little investment GM will be scavenging as much Colorado parts as possible. Wouldn’t the military possibly get a better vehicle if it was a ground up design and not some modified production truck? Just a thought!

    John; Funny you would have the segment on the big nugget concept right after yesterdays AAH highlighted the 24% drop in RV sales. I think that was the correct percentage. Might not be a good move for Ford.

    The UAW scandal; Uhhh what can you say other than money breeds corruption. If I were a member I would be extremely upset and be considering a class action lawsuit for some union dues to be refunded. This will no doubt have a long term affect on the union that isn’t even close to being realized yet.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 The Taliban and ISIS use near-stock Toyota Hilux trucks.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Hopefully we aspire to be a bit better prepared than the taliban and isis.

  6. Marshy Says:

    Big Nugget.

    Am I the only one who sees a problem with this name?

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 I agree, but as you said, for 1M, that prototype must be close to a stock Colorado, with jump seats in the bed.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    7 $1 mill is nothing, usually it costs billions to develop a new model, maybe it’s seed money, maybe GM will charge an arm and a leg when it sells them the 650 copies and make a profit on the whole thing.

    I doubt that even a souped-up COlorado will be a match for a Toyota Hilux, esp an equally modified one.

    This reminds me of the unfortunate superiority of the AK-47, a reliable design that works under all kinds of adverse conditions,vs the more complex rivals the US army uses.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    Does anybody believe Genesis’ truly lousy results are due to its not having SUVS? Really?

    BMW, Mercedes, Audi and Lexus sell tens of thousands of small, midsize and flagship sedans and coupes. Genesis’ 2,000 a month (less) is truly pitiful.

    Its SUVs may sell a little bit more, like 3,000 a month, but don’t expect any better. Total, at best, 5,000 a month, which is less than even Volvo, and MUCH less than the above four makers, who routinely sell 25 and 35,000 units a month.

    And please don’t tell me that you know a lil’ old lady who owns a Genesis and is very happy with it. So what? You need to find another 20,000 of them every month!

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    6 Yes the name sounds way too close to butt nugget. Either way I’m not real sure why Ford would be considering this. There are already third party RV manufacturers that have been making camper vans from the these higher roofed vans like the Transit, MB Sprinter, Nissan NV, Ram promasters.

    I remember when GMC built their own RV back in 1973 thru 1978 but it was FWD using the powertrain from the Oldsmobile Toronado and Cadillac Eldorado. This allowed for a very low to the ground, flat floor without a driveshaft hump. They seem to be collectors items now but was much different than a conversion van.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    9 Genesis can keep trying and maybe one day they will be as accepted as Acura, and Infinity. I don’t see them achieving the success that Toyota managed with Lexus but no one else has either. I don’t even think it has to do with the quality or characteristics of the car. It may very well be on par with similar vehicles in its class. The problem is the foundation Kia. Toyota, Honda and Nissan came to the US with cars that were better than what the US manufacturers offered. So they gained a decent following and reputation early on. Kia came late to the party and offered nothing more than super cheap alternatives with a great warranty. They became viewed as disposable cars. So without ever building a reputation for being able to build cars on par with the rest of what’s offered they launch a luxury brand?
    I think the Hyundai and Kia vehicles are finally of decent quality and are loosing the disposable reputation but its probably too early for a luxury brand. IMO

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 I always found it interesting that those GMC motor homes had dual rear axles, while they were front wheel drive. About 2/3 of the weight must have been at the back, so they probably didn’t go as well in ice and snow as a typical front wheel drive car or minivan.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    11 That’s the thing, Hyundai-Kia have tried 15 times already to sell luxury cars in the US and failed each time. And even if they ever sell the same number that Acura and Infiniti sell (which is similar to Lincoln’s and Caddy’s numbers), I doubt they will make a dime on such small volumes.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 I know one person who has a Genesis, a G80. It’s an old man, a retired engineer, not a lil’ old lady. He likes the simple, intuitive controls, the high standard equipment content, the non-turbo V6, and the good warranty which, the last I knew, he hadn’t used. A similarly equipped E-Class would cost about $20K more, but would have a turbo 4 instead of the non-turbo six. In CR’s tests, the G80 and E-Class had the same acceleration, within a tenth of a second. The Benz got better mpg, but needed premium, while the G80 uses regular, so the fuel cost would be about a tossup.

    As far as the $20K price difference for an E-Class, maybe you’d get a lot of that back if you kept the car 4 years. It’s really too early to know.

    13 Yeah, they may never make money with Genesis, but Hyundai is a big conglomerate with deep pockets, so they keep trying. I suppose the parent company’s having deep pockets is why Mitsu stays in the US market, even though they don’t do very well.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11,13 Speaking of KIA, about a year ago, a friend bought a KIA Cadenza, which was a very good value, used. It is their competition for Toyota Avalon, and is actually a pretty nice car, but new, costs almost as much as a similarly equipped V6 Avalon. Used, 3 or 4 years old, it costs about half as much as an Avalon.

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 That can also be attributing to Genesis’s problems. They could build an amazing car but without the reputation to go with it the resale has to be horrible on them. Most all luxury cars depreciate pretty bad anyway and I’m guessing it will be hard to sell a 5 year old Genesis with 80K on it. But maybe that’s where they’ll excel. If the depreciation is similar to an E-class that was 20K more new, the used Genesis may be a bargain when compared to a similarly used E-class.

  17. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Genesis’ are very good values but when you get to their level you’ve got to have style to make the mark; they are basically ‘frumpy’ or ‘stogie’ in my opinion and that for one is holding them back.

    GM’s Army vehicle could be just what they are looking for. With the diesel engine and bare bones utility it may be more than fine. This, of course, will be a personnel mover and won’t be a heavily protected vehicle for traversing dangerous roads (i.e. urban IED areas). More of the original Jeep of WWII and Korea era type general utility vehicle.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 The Genesis would still have powertrain warranty left, which should help its resale value, at least a little.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Yep, you are sure right about Geneses being frumpy/stodgy. My friend’s silver G80 almost defines “generic,” like many generations of Camry. A different color would help, but not enough.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    9 “And please don’t tell me that you know a lil’ old lady who owns a Genesis and is very happy with it. So what? You need to find another 20,000 of them every month”

    14 No matter how hard I tried, you had to tell this tired story for the 15 th time.

    What in the world difference does it make if it is an old woman or an old man?

    The proof is in the truly DISMAL numbers, and as I said and I repeat, adding a coupke SUVs will not help. It did not even Help Acura or Infiniti, and they are doign 10 times better than Genesis.

    As I said and repeated, H-K tried this 15 times and failed every time. It is a sign of stupidity if thye insist. and NO they are NOT good values, if you want automotive greatness and a GREAT value, buy a used S class or an E. OR a 7 or 5.

    Then again, don’t, because you will raise those prices next time I buy.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    14 Υοur old friend shoulda got an Impala. even better so-called ‘value’. Not!

    PS You keep comparing apples and oranges.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    14 Who wants to pay $60,000 for a Kia (that’s what the K 900 will set you back) and when they ask you what car you drive, you have to say a lousy Kia?

    When you can buy a FANTASTIC S class for $15k 2007-2013, which cost $100k new?

    THAT is value. $ 60k for a lousy Kia is NO value.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Yes, I expected this reaction from you. You don’t seem to realize that there is more to the car business than sales numbers, and with Genesis, that might improve. By your criteria, Ford pickup trucks must be the best vehicles in America, and Porsche Cayman and Boxster must really suck, since they sell only a few thousand a year.

    We all know that, in most cases, used cars are “better buys” than new cars, but if you want a car equipped a certain way, or a certain color, etc., that might not be an easy option.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    “The 2020 Lincoln Aviator, a much-championed midsize crossover only just entering dealerships, has earned the second recall of its very short life. The crossover, along with the current- and previous-generation Explorer, the Ford Expedition, F-150, and Super Duty line are nameplates involved in a recall concerned with seatback strength.

    According to Ford, vehicles may have left the factory “missing the third pawl required for seatback strength,” meaning that seatback may not stay in place in the event of a crash. The recall covers more than half a million vehicles sold in North America.”

    NOT Ready for Prime Time.

    Imagine such recalls for the S class. I can’t.

    Lincoln is NOT a true luxury maker.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Aren’t you up way too late, just to post nastiness here? It must be at least 3:00 am where you are.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    My taxi driver just took me to the airport for my 6 AM flight. Had to start at 3:30 AM and wake up at 3, and she asked for 40 instead of the normal hours 30 euro fare.

    It was my first drive in her new E Class (of course Diesel) 220. She claims it has a 2.2 engine. The car is far inferior to mine in interior luxury (it has none) but it does have all the elecrtronic bells and whistles and multiple screens and something like an i drive.

    She already did 27,000 km in ONE month. She does over 100,000 km a year, closer to 200,000. Her previous 3 liter E class diesel had ewood and leather and was far more luxurious. But this one got 5.8 lt/100km while the old got 9 and 11.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    26 27,000 km a month for 20 years. Try that in a … genesis.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 A tranverse engine FWD Impala is not direct competition. A G80 is longitudinal engine, RWD, or 4WD if you want, like an E-Class, and unlike the Benz, you can get 6 cylinders and no turbocharger, if you want.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 You’d use a lot more fuel. It’s unknown how long the car would last.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 Are you sure about that, unless the car is driven 24/7 with multiple drivers. It’s about 23 mph average, if it’s going 24/7. If she drives it 8 hours a day, 7 days a week, she is averaging about 75 mph.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    28 Phulease. You are just agruing for the \sake of argument.

    OK, scrap the Impala, get a Chrysler 300 or Charger, with leather. These are RWD and have a good long wheelbase to boot.

    You will still pay HALF of what you pay for the Genesis, and I know for a fact that you can get unbelievable deals on the 300. in the $20s! So even one third the price of the Genesis.

    So explain to me, this is a frank and serious question, why the G 80 is two or three times better than the better looking RWD Chrysler 300 with leather.

    And if you can, I invite anybody else in this forum to enlighten me.

    And I would bet anything you want that even with the funny looking SUVs, the Genesis brand will keep selling little and bleeding billions.

    At least if it was a Hyundai or Kia, the millions who buy the cheaper models would brag that their maker also makes the Hyundai or Kia G 80. Now they can’t. better luck next time

    Written at SHiphol Airport at my gate, my flight to DTW is still an hour (45 min) away, so don’t cry for me.

    And remember, anecdotal evidence of what one or even ten buyers feel about a car is in no way a subdstitute for the HARD FACTS that were cited on the show today, the Dismal, Horrific Failure of Genesis with barely 2,000 units a MONTH, after the dismal failures of the previous so-called luxury car attempts by H-K.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I agree that the 300 is a good comparison, except that, comparably equipped, a G80 and 300 are much closer to the same price than you say. A base G80 has leather, all of the usual safety gadgets, etc., for an MSRP of ~$44K. With a 300, you need to get at least a mid-trim Touring L, and check boxes to get the same equipment, and it will be ~$39-40K MSRP. I don’t know what “incentives” either has.

    In CR’s surveys, the G80 is more reliable than the 300, and has better owner satisfaction. I certainly agree that the 300 looks better. In CR’s road tests, the G80 and V6 300 are very similar in most areas. They are so close in most dimensions, interior and exterior, that it seems Hyundai may have benchmarked the 300 in coming up with the G80.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like Ferrari F1 is getting things together, at least for qualifying.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …and Ferrari finally got a win this year, and LeClerc his first win. It was a sad weekend at Spa, though, with the death of F2 driver Antoine Hubert in a crash on Saturday.

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    DETROIT – Ford is recalling more than 550,000 trucks and SUVs in North America because seat backs may not properly restrain people in a crash.