AD #2675 – Cadillac Reveals New CT4, UAW Exec Arrested Over Embezzlement, Consumers Buy Cars with Bland Colors

September 13th, 2019 at 11:45am

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0:07 UAW Executive Arrested Over Embezzlement
1:03 EV Sales Drop After Government Subsidies Cut
2:01 Ford & GM Race to Build EV Truck Before Tesla
2:59 Merrill Lynch Upgrades and Downgrades Suppliers
3:28 Car Sales Down in Mexico
3:52 Ford Working to Improve Customer Service
4:38 Cadillac CT4 Brings RWD And Standard Turbo
5:26 Consumers Continue to Buy Cars with Bland Colors

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76 Comments to “AD #2675 – Cadillac Reveals New CT4, UAW Exec Arrested Over Embezzlement, Consumers Buy Cars with Bland Colors”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Chevy Spark isn’t much of a car, but I like that they offer some cool, bright colors, rather than the 7 shades of grey offered on most cars. I wouldn’t want any of the bright Spark colors on my car, but I like seeing them once in a while on other peoples’ cars.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    I was not able to watch the AAH show with Giles. I turned it on this morning, and it was really boring. I ffwd it to the middle of the ‘tape’, when usually the guest leaves and the regulars have interesting discussions, but there was none of that this time, it was all Giles, all the time. So I ended up seeing none of the whole show.

    The CT4 looks far better than the 3 series with which it probably competes (Exterior). Its interior could be better, but the maroon leather goes well with the dark greys and silvers.

    Heads up, Shawn, White is a BRILLIANT color, not a bland one. It is also the logical choice for cars in warmer climates, such as the white E 320 2008 Bluetec I have in my summer home, which must have a special white which is really brilliant and never looks dirty, even unwashed, plus it has silver tops in the door handles, done very tastefully.

    And as your Physics teacher should have told you, White contains ALL the colors of the rainbow, while black is the ABSENCE of color.

    I was surprised to hear 60% of Chinese cars are white, since most of the cars I saw there on my multiple long term visits were black.

    and as for Ford and others ‘racing’ to build a BEV Truck, did any of these geniuses bother to ask the serious prospective truck buyers if they really wanted a BEV, or are they ignoring the markets and the consumer and do what some politicians tell them?

    As for BEV “subsidies”, I cringe when people misname them as such. BEVs would need ZERO help IF cars were priced to include BOTH the External (ie their cost in the common sense) and INTERNAL costs (their damage to the environment that THEY, NOT others, should pay).

  3. Larry D. Says:

    If the rank and file at the UAW are really mad at the crooks they keep electing, they should not vent their frustration at the offer GM will give them, but get a brain and look at their Bylaws and see if they can instead OUST the crooks in their so-called “Leadership”.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 I like the looks of the CT4, but I don’t particularly like the engine choices, a turbo four, and a bigger turbo four designed for trucks. How about offering the 3.6 V6, which works very well in my friend’s Camaro?

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like white for cars in warm climates, especially if you can get some color in the interior. I ordered my Corvette that way, white, with red/black interior.

  6. Jesse Maiolo Says:

    Nice Caddy,but i the CT6 didn’t fly when they thought it would,what makes them think the CT4 will? Wait a year and a half and you can buy one for half the new cost probably.

  7. Bob Wilson Says:

    I’m more interested Tesla on the track. There is an unofficial record at Laguna Seca awaiting a formal track lap:
    Still time to do more tuning before an official attempt with more lessons learned.

    Rumors are that Sept 21 the Nürburgring will have some track time for two, Model S, and both have “Plaid” drive (a Spaceballs term, see link.) This supersedes Ludicrous mode, another Spaceballs term:

  8. Jesse Maiolo Says:


  9. Larry D. Says:

    6 The CT4 is far more affordable than the CT6. However, Caddy has a tendency to price all its cars too high, if they want the CT4 to succeed they should price it attractively to conquer sales from the Germans and the near-lux makers (Acura, Infi, VOlvo, what meager sales they got)

    I saw a black Caddy yesterday as I was driving, at first I thought it was a CT6 although it looked a bit shorter than that, it was a CTS, but it looked really good in black, and had fairly good acceleration when needed.

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    Sean – just because white is the number one sold doesn’t mean it’s the number one picked. A few cars I’ve purchased were colours that weren’t my first pick but were on the lot. Our latest one we went on line and found the interior/exterior colours we liked but were willing to wait. Dealers tend to order the ” safe” colours. A friend of mine is a saleman and ordered a Cruze that was red exterior and tan interior – to match his Vette. The lot owner was on him that if he ordered it he would have to buy it cause he didn’t want to get stuck with it. Car sat on the lot for a week or two until he didn’t the paper work and he ended up selling 3 more like it because people could see the combination and really liked it. Imagine that, not having a black interior! Mind blown.

  11. ChuckGrenci Says:

    And for the Corvette freaks out there: 2019 production is 34822: 39% Stingray, 19% ZO6, 32% Grandsport, and 8.5 % ZR1. For a complete rundown from the Corvette Museum, see link:

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    When I got my Camry hybrid, all the dealer had was silver, not my choice, but they gave a considerably better price on the one they had than if I’d ordered the same car a different color, so I bought the silver one. Maybe I should have checked some other dealers for price on ordered cars, but I didn’t.

  13. ChuckGrenci Says:

    4, Kit
    Neither the CT4 or CT5 will offer the V-6 (big mistake in my opinion). I believe both will be available fourth quarter. I like the LGX (3.6) in my XT5. The V-6 is standard on the XT6 but will be an option in the 2020 XT5 (another mistake in my opinion).

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 Interesting data. I’ll have see if I can find a chart like that for 2016, the year of my car. For 2019, the overall manual transmission take rate was about 29%. I’m surprised it’s that high, but being the last year for a manual ‘Vette may have increased it a little.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    10 interesting data. Did not know that even the ZR1 can be had as a convertible, this was the smallest slice at 1.5% or 500 or so cars.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    14 of 28 yesterday, and no comments about Volvo. Surprising!

  17. Larry D. Says:

    15 You were not paying careful attention, as it happens there was a significant piece of data about Volvo and how unreliable were its cars even as early as in the late 70s and 80s when they still looked like Volvos and not Hyundais.

    See the comment where my colleague who had the Volvo 240 had so many problems, he was convinced the dealer sabotaged his car.

  18. Buzzerd Says:

    For people who like to predict the future I found this interesting. Sometimes what seems like the future tech ( electric cars) may not be.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 That’s interesting, and crazy to me. I had a number of ’60′s and ’70′s vinyl records in excellent condition, but started replacing them with CD’s in the late ’70s, after CD players became cheap, and the CDs started sounding decent. Some of my earlier CDs didn’t sound good, but reissues a couple years later sounded fine. Anyway, I switched to CDs because of lack of occasional pops, no wear out, and easier to take care of.

    Two or three years ago I sold most of my vinyl records to a store in Indiana. I could have gotten a lot more selling them one at a time somehow, but I didn’t want to mess with it. I still have my “state of the art” 1960′s turntable, a Thorens TD121 with an SME arm, and Ortofon cartridge.

  20. GM Veteran Says:

    16 Didn’t count it as it had no relation to the Volvo story reported.

    On the dominance of the color white, don’t forget how many fleet vehicles are ordered in white. All those pickup trucks and vans companies buy for their service fleets are predominantly white. In my experience working with Dealers, they want to order safe colors for their inventory. It is much tougher to talk someone into buying an orange car than a white or silver one.

    Sadly, the volume manufacturers seems to have nearly abandoned the practice of special editions that featured nicely matched exterior and interior colors, or two-tone exteriors. Cadillac used to be very good at this, but its been years since I’ve seen them come out with one. Even uniquely styled trim levels like the two-tone Eddie Bauer Edition Ford Explorer have mostly disappeared. I supposed one day these ideas will be recycled by manufacturers trying to make their products stand out from the crowd of boring white, black and gray vehicles with black interiors.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19, I meant 18, re. vinyl records, as the posts are now numbered.

  22. Roger Blose Says:

    The car dealers continue to order the same old Soviet Grey and Amish black cars for stock. I traded in my old Black Mustang with a red leather interior on my new 2018 Mustang in Ruby Red with a stone white interior. My old Mustang was resold in less than a week because it looked so great in those happy color combinations. The rental guys love the white / silver colors for not showing dirt and scratches. And the Germans seem to charge extra for color as well.

  23. Larry D. Says:

    22 A former landlady, 10 years older than myself, who had excellent taste, believed that cars look their best in black.

    This is not always true, but there are categories of cars, such as big flagship sedans, where you can’t go wrong with a shiny black contrasting the chromes. Silver also goes well with the chrome, when it is a shade of it.

    My current car (the one in the US) has a silver that is more like champagne, a color Merc has been using since the 90s at least, which I would not order if I bought new, but still looks good on it.

    My “Magnificent 7″ had a fantastic metallic silver with a light blue hue called “Arktis Silber” (arctic silver in English).

  24. Larry D. Says:

    20 Exuses. All recent Volvo stories are utterly insignificant, if not for anything else, for the DISMAL 0.5% flatlining Volvo US market share. There were far more important issues to comment on than their productive PR department.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 For the most part, you have to buy a “premium” brand, or a specialty model of a mainstream brand, like Corvette, to even be able to order an interior color other than black, grey, or tan. As recently as the ’90s or early 2000s, there was some color choice for interiors of mainstream cars, but no more.

  26. Danny Turnpaugh Says:

    Looking at Chevrolet website for new Silverado trucks a lot of colors cost extra. Myself I don’t want to pay extra fora color of paint on a Detroit model as I doubt it’s worth extra $$ maybe if I was buying something like a Mercedes, or a Porsche or something like that you may really get something for the money.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    20 Out of curiosity I went and read the ‘story’ on that tiny, ugly VOlvo crossover that alleges being “electric” while it is just a lowly plug-in with less than 30 miles electric range (optimistically EU rules calculated, make it 10 miles in winter in Sweden or MI!), slow as molasses (almost 8 min 0-60) and a ludicrous $50,000++ Pricetag.

    Still wonder about my opinion about it? The fully electrric Model 3 is FAR superior in every way and costs $12,000 less. So, the VOlvo is DOA.

    Maybe if Labor wins the next election in the UK they will buy a dozen of these ugly little things so Volvo can stop crying.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 Only two colors cost extra on a Silverado, while any colors other than basic black and while cost extra on a $55K base price E-Class.

    Chrysler seems to be the best in not charging extra for colors, but oddly, they charge $69 extra for a metallic blue, and $70 extra for Plum Crazy on a Challenger. You’d think they’d charge a lot more than that, or not charge extra at all.

  29. merv Says:

    I like that new caddy,a bit surprised it is rear wheel drive.

  30. veh Says:

    “A few cars I’ve purchased were colours that weren’t my first pick but were on the lot”

    This was our experience as well. Wanted an F-150 Crew 4WD with tow package, and the only one in inventory was silver (end of model year, but still).

    Silver (as well as the other neutrals) is boring, but safe. People will shrug but it won’t stop them from buying a vehicle.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    I like silver in general because it most closely resembles the color of unpainted steel or aluminum. I also like ‘gunmetal’ dark metallic or steel for the same reason.

    I also like silver as in unpainted aluminum race cars. One German maker, I think it was Mercedes, in its efforts to shave weight off its race cars before WW II, left them unpainted, so they looked silver colored, and the trick worked, the weight savings were enough to win the race.

    TOday of course this would be impossible because race cars carry all kinds of irrelevant and ridiculous ads and sponsor names, and many of these sponsors are utterly unrelated to either cars or racing, besides sponsoring them.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 All of the Cadillac cars since the XTS have been RWD/4WD, but the CT6 may now have mandatory 4WD.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 Mercedes’ current F1 cars are called “Silver Arrow,” but, of course, are painted.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29,32. Should have said “after” XTS. The XTS was FWD/4WD with a transverse engine.

  35. Albemarle Says:

    We live for half the year on a gravel road, at least that’s what it’s called, I think of it more like clay. Anywho we buy car colors that will minimize the mud and dirt.

    Brown rules, tan shaded silver is a close second. No ego tied up in our car color.

  36. PHILIP Says:

    Consumers have little choice when it comes to choosing a color for their vehicle. Pick ANY MODEL and the typical choices are two whites / two blacks and two grays. Occasionally there may be a red blue or green choice but these are rare.

    With these modern paint facilities auto makers use, and the ability to blend colors there is no good reason why they couldn’t offer a couple dozen standard colors to choose from. In genal – the more expensive the vehicle, the more color choices the customer has available.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 The factories offer a few color choices. With a Toyota Camry, beyond black, white, and a few shades of grey, they have red, blue, and dark brown. Still, it’s very limited. Of course, much worse, the dealers don’t stock much of anything except white, grey, and black.

    I recently learned that some companies, Porsche for one, will let you order a car almost any color you want, for a price. With a Porsche Cayman, Boxster, or 911, it’s about $12K, and I’m sure you need a quite substantial deposit, like the full price of the car, if you order a chartreuse or purple 911. I wouldn’t blame the dealer for that, though.

  38. Bob andreocci Says:

    Boy, what the hell are people thinking with blah colors? I’m a Mazda fan, but their colors stink, except for the red. But I recently leased a Subaru Crosstrek in BRIGHT ORANGE. I think it could be the most popular in that model cause I see plenty of them and high five them!!!!! I hope Mazda takes the hint since this customer bought a different car.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that Challenger has probably the best color palette of any more-or-less mainstream car, with a few shades of grey, but also orange, purple, a wild green, two shades of red, and two shades of blue. The car is certainly a niche vehicle, a huge two door that has been around for about 12 years, but it’s still cool, in its own way, and the color choice helps.,DFT,TSG,WK1,L7,UAG,X9,PFB,21A,DMM,APA

  40. dave Says:

    The CT4 looks nice until you look at the back, kinda funky design. And there is no way that I would ever buy a Caddy. I have a CTS wagon and it was cool, BUT the worst vehicle I ever owned. Sold it with only 40k on it.


    2) If you want environmental surcharges added into vehicle prices, then you don’t understand how bad a BEV can actually be for the environment. We already know that making a BEV is far more damaging then making an ICE. Now we know that operating a BEV turns out to be equally damaging through the law of unintended consequences. The reality is that all BEVs do for the environment is transfer responsibility of damage from one person to another. It does make the end user feel better about themselves and creates sales of virtue signalling personalized license plates. So there is that.

  42. Bob Wilson Says:

    The Model 3 race shop, Mountain Pass Performance shared this:

    “As everyone that follows Tesla knows, Elon just announced a new “Plaid” version of the Model S to tackle the Nurburgring. That same car also went to have a go at Laguna Seca, and they beat our record by 1 second.

    We were curious to find out just how much power this Model S likely has, and without having access to the data from the car itself it’s a little bit difficult to do that.

    But, using MoTeC’s i2 data analysis tools and a couple of hours, I manually plotted the speed at various parts on the track estimating the position from the video of both our run and the Tesla lap. It was possible to get the synchronization within a few meters . . . “

  43. Larry D. Says:

    Will Elon Musk’s mighty Tesla S humiliate Porsche’s ridiculously named BEV Taycan “turbo” S in their home court of Nuerburgring next week?

    You can bet your … it will.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 I wasn’t aware of that use of SF6, or that it was such a powerful greenhouse gas. It looks like they need to go back to using oil as a dielectric in high voltage equipment.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43 Assuming the modified Model S beats the showroom stock Taycan, it will be interesting to see if Porsche does some extra work on a Taycan to see if they can re-take the record.

    Maybe Elon will offer another version of the Model S, like the one used for the attempt on the ‘ring. They could call it Model S P100D Turbo.

  46. Larry D. Says:

    45 Seems Porsche assumes the same thing, because one of their spokesmodels already came out with an excuse, that we should compare apples to apples. As if the Taycan and the Model S are not 100% comparable.

    As for Musk, his naming is far more consistent than that non-turbo “turbo” in the Taycan.

    I assume the publicity will help the new Taycan far more than the established Model S.

  47. Larry D. Says:

    41 You “already know” nothing. Stop spreading the most ridiculous fake news. It is not worth my time to honor your irresponsible response with a comment. Ridiculous.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46 Apparently the Taycan used for the run was near showroom stock, while the S is being reworked, probably quite heavily. Those two are not 100% comparable. The publicity should help both companies, at least a little. Now, they need to do something more difficult than going fast for 12.4 miles, like 5 laps of the Nurburgring.

    My suggestion of calling a tweaked Model S “turbo” was, of course, not serious.

  49. len simpson Says:

    I remember when Volvo meant quality. China must own it now.—–stopped & ck’d——IT DO !!

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    49 Volvo once had a reputaion for safety, which may, or may not have been justified. As far as quality, from what I’ve seen over the years, it has been so-so, during the independent, Ford, and Geely ownership.

  51. Larry D. Says:

    49, 50 Volvo was always good at PR. Earlier VOlvos looked like volvos, but stopped being reliable (if they ever were) 40 years ago. My colleague bought his in 79 and always babied it.

    It takes a huge amount of failures to think that… the dealer actively sabotaged it!!!

    As for safety, there they go, VOlvo’s excellent PR again. Apart from seat belts (maybe), the vast majority of safety advances were done by Mercedes and became available in the S class first.

  52. Kit Gerhart Says:

    According to a wikipedia article, Volvo was first to have 3 point belts standard, in 1959, and Saab first to have lap belts standard in ’58. Nash offered lap belts as an option in 1949.

  53. Larry D. Says:

    Instead of electing new, uncorrupted leadership, the UAW foolishly strikes at GM at midnight tonight. They have zero sympathy from me, vastly overpaid ASSEMBLERS, not makers, of cars.

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    53 Unless things have changed, they need to wait for the next election to change the UAW “leadership.” Maybe there are provisions to get rid of, or replace people, but they are probably slow and cumbersome.

  55. Larry D. Says:

    54 Under normal conditions, they’d have to wait. But these aren’t. I hope GM is firm with them and offers as little as possible. It already has the highest labor costs of any maker, I believe.

  56. ChuckGrenci Says:

    GM has already offered profit sharing, increased hires and the delay or reopening of two plants; seems it is the Union that is unreasonable. Union imput, sure, but they shouldn’t be allowed to “run” the business.

  57. cwolf Says:

    There is nothing unreasonable about “negotiations.” It has been apart of doing business for a 100 years in the auto industry. Trump has failed in his promises to protect the American worker and to keep jobs here at home. Trump’s huge tax cuts to industry only gave the economy a “sugar high” and has done nothing towards his promises and the industrial output is now shrinking.
    Let the UAW come to an agreement because surely there is no one else willing to care for the American worker.

  58. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I hope they settle quickly, so they can get on with building those new Corvettes.

  59. Larry D. Says:

    of course. and if they really APPLY themselves, the corrupt UAW “leadership” may succeed in DESTROYING (as in BANKRUPTING) GM AGAIN.

  60. Larry D. Says:

    In the long run the only thing they will achieve is to be replaced by ROBOTS which can do their job far better, AND they do not strike.

  61. Larry D. Says:

    60 which also shows the low level of difficulty of the jobs for which, with overtime, these practically illiterate high school dropouts get more than 100,000 a year.

  62. cwolf Says:

    Me too! The Corvette plant isn’t in the UAW radar. In fact, it represents what they are fighting for.
    IMO, if we see a large increase in skilled trades training programs in the bargain, it may be a good indication there will be no more plants moving out of the country or ,pray, more will be returning. Do you remember those days when periodic re-training was a typical practice and a necessary one indeed?

  63. cwolf Says:

    Larry, if that happens…they won’t need you either. Be careful what you wish for.

    How do you know higher wages are in the bargain, except for new hires? Sure would like to borrow your crystal ball!

  64. cwolf Says:

    OK… lets re-train workers to install, operate and repair robots!

  65. Kit Gerhart Says:

    61 You don’t seem to know much about auto workers. For 60 years, new hires have been school graduates, and for at least 30 years, skilled trades workers have had tech school beyond high school, and many have four year degrees.

    64 That is already happening, and more is happening all the time.

  66. Larry D. Says:

    65 makes very little difference.

    GM made these bozos a very generous offer, and they would be FOOLS not to accept it.

    Notice I did not mention moving more plants to Mexico, but replacing UAW greedsters with ROBOTS.

    With the far better AI of the future, this will be much easier and result in FAR BETTER CARS for the COnsumer.

    I feel sorry for GM to have to compete with Toyota and Honda who do NOT have those clowns on their backs.

  67. Larry D. Says:

    And let’s not forget those Chrysler UAW workers who spent their lunch breaks in the park doing drugs and getting drunk. Did the UAW fire any of them? Fat chance.

  68. Larry D. Says:

    63 you know NOTHING about me. My consulting company may be in the Transportation business but has little to do with any AUTO maker.

    In addition, I am in the stage of my life where TIME, and how to enjoy it, is far more important than $, of which, through frugality and sensible investment, I have much more than I know what to do with.

  69. Kit Gerhart Says:

    66 GM, and other companies might want to move more plants to Mexico, at least plants that sell a lot of cars in Europe and China. BMW and M-B would now be better off if they were building some of those CUVs in Mexico, rather than South Carolina.

  70. Lambo2015 Says:

    67 Are you talking about a story in the news from 20 years ago? Or was that something recent?
    You may think it makes little difference to you how this plays out but if you live in the Detroit area it will affect you, maybe not directly but certainly indirectly.

  71. Larry D. Says:

    On a different topic, there was a white Chevy Bolt (not VOlt!) in the parking lot yesterday, moving around at 5 MPH. What an ugly little POS. ANd to think they want close to $40k for it, practically Model 3 money! Then they are puzzled when nobody buys it, and most of the tiny production is ‘sold’ to GM Cruise.

    Speaking of Cruise and Cruze, there is a fairly new one in the lot on weekdays, very sharp looking in metallic blue, nice displays up front, screens etc, but when I looked at the back seat today, there must have been more than 50 beer or pop cans on the seats and floor, along with all kinds of junk. I first assumed the owner was some pig spoiled college student, used to his mother (or the maid, if he is affluent) cleaning after his mess, but I was surprised to see it was a balding middle aged guy with grey hair and beard!

  72. Larry D. Says:

    70m trust me it will not affect me one iota. If anything, if things are screwed up, it will only lower the cost of living here, which is already low. And NO, I sure do not live in Detroit nor do I want to even VISIT that dump. you know well I spend more than 3 months a year in the summer home, and when I decide to retire and get a fully paid year (I am one of the lucky ones, those who joined my U after 84 don’t have it) to travel around the world, I will spend less than 6 months here and up to 12 months in the summer home, where the water tems never goes below 55 F, so you can easily be swimming year round.

    But all this is OFF TOPIC. The topic is the BURDEN on recently bankrupt, thanks to the Excessive UAW contract, which even rewquired workers to get full pay even when they DID NOT make anything. WHich explains the huge inventories, if you have to pay them anyway, you may as well keep building the ‘crappy cars’ (copyright Mary Barra) consumers don;t want.

    IF you (ALL here) think that this is the way for GM to compete with TOYOTA and Honda AND Hyundai-Kia AND Subaru AND the Germans, you really have no clue.

  73. Larry D. Says:

    72 water temP, not temS, above. (obviously).

  74. cwolf Says:

    Larry, pull up your pants; Your arrogance is showing again!

  75. Lambo2015 Says:

    72 You obviously have never had a factory job or realize that working in an industry where production requirements go up and down constantly. So I know it seems crazy that workers get paid to do nothing and that truly is a rarity anymore. But most people do live within a few checks of going under. So when the industry slows down should workers be willing to just go weeks without a paycheck when at the end of the year GM posts 8 billion in profits? I’m sure you are probably salary and your check comes in every week but your ignorance of how it may be for other is unprecedented.

  76. Carl Says:

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