AD #2676 – Mercedes Creates Wild Retro Concept, UAW Strikes Against GM, Audi Names New CEO

September 16th, 2019 at 11:41am

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0:42 UAW Strikes Against GM
3:21 Mercedes Creates Wild Retro Concept
3:58 Canada May Adopt CA Fuel Economy Standards
4:23 New Sun Visor Features HUD System
5:22 Infiniti Names New Head of Design
5:48 GM China Design Studio Gets New Design Director
6:11 Markus Duesmann Named CEO Of Audi

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84 Comments to “AD #2676 – Mercedes Creates Wild Retro Concept, UAW Strikes Against GM, Audi Names New CEO”

  1. Dave Says:

    Overall great barn finds are interesting and thought provoking good mix of automotive news

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The Buick shown in today’s show (I believe under the GM China Design segment) shows forward looking styling; this is what GM needs. They have the talent but so many times the produced vehicles just don’t hold up to the concept. Do it GM, and bring it to the U.S.

    John, on your request about what Autoline can do in the future; well, you’re doing a pretty good job right now, however (and I know you like to report and predict the future) but I would like to scale-back some of the autonomy and electric stories (for when there is really a significance) not just a slight peg on the news meter. JMO

  3. Larry D. Says:

    That sunvisor was long overdue.

  4. Barry Rector Says:

    John,
    If the UAW paid more to the strikers, officials would not have as much money to spend on their lavish trips and shopping!

  5. Larry D. Says:

    4 Should clarify, UAW officials, not GM officials
    !

  6. RCM Says:

    Excellent program.

    If you have covered the following areas, please disregard.

    Carbon fiber applications beyond superficial trim.
    Tire development. How is a tread pattern determined?
    Factory automation.
    Konigsegg Freevalve system.

    What is Munroe and Associates up to since the Tesla examination.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    I absolutely agree, what we don’t need is more cheerleading pie in the sky stories about AVs, especially the uncritical ones that just repeat the AV proponents arguments about alleged improvement here and there.

    Imagine if Captain Sullenberger’s flight was on pure AV, no humans!!!! It would try to land at the stupid airports and, as the simulations proved, would CRASH, instead of trying the Hudson and saving all 155 abroad!

    But I strongly disagree about cutting back on the growth (WORLD WIDE) of the BEV segment, this is the only hot area today, it would be criminal not to report on it.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    6 all 155 aboard, not abroad (!) Sully’s plane.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    John, I think you are doing a good job of presenting the industry news. Like Dave, I think the “barn finds” are fun. Some aren’t easy, but there always seems to be someone here who knows them.

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    personally I would like to see a bit of news from the motorcycle world mixed in.

  11. cwolf Says:

    GM’s $7B investment is great, but why act now when they could have begun any one of these investments earlier? Are the willing to make a guarantee in writing, or is this mirror “Tesla’s” ploy of deliberately making false promises just to get huge tax abatements?
    The auto industry, out of greed or necessity, threw out the 40 hour week with and forced trades to over-lap years ago, sooo now GM has grown a heart felt passion to suddenly care about their workers at the beginning of talks? I don’t think so.

  12. Albemarle Says:

    I think the show is great. A touch more international news would be nice. Otherwise, personally I think the mix of stories and their depth is ideal.

    I like your interviews. You are getting really good at separating the duds from the interesting ones. Well done.

  13. cwolf Says:

    I agree workers should get more strike pay from the union. I think halving the union dues is even a better idea. If they do this, plus clean house, maybe the South will see the UAW as more attractive.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 GM probably “saved” the announcement of the $7B for the negotiation.

    12 Lowering dues would help in organizing in the south. Also, the union supports Dem politicians, which doesn’t go over well with the AR-15 loving, immigrant hating, anti-environmental members, of which there are a significant number. I suspect being apolitical would help the union organize more plants. And yeah, “cleaning house” would help quite a lot.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    In addition, re the show, if you have an automaker’s PR guy, engineer etc and you let them talk about a new model, you also need to grill them, no softballs, to inform the consumer of the strengths/weaknesses of that model. Alternatively, I prefer when you yourselves test the model and report back.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    In my profession all the top U’s have no strong professor’s unions, there is an overall one, the AAUP, but they never negotiate salaries and payraises, which are 100% “MERIT BASED” and 0% “needs based”. However, a former PhD student, who was a full professor at Virginia Tech before returning to SE MI to be with his family (wife is a senior Ford Engineer, with an MSE from UM), and accepting a position at a much ‘lower tier’ U, the U of Toledo, over there they do have a union and I believe they all get the same raise whether they work their posterior off or are incompetent lazy bums (“deadwood” in U parlance)

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    John I really enjoy the show and I do like the occasional “Barn Find” and miss the segment you used to do “You Said It”. It was good to hear your feedback on some of the comments.

    As for the GM strike I believe your right John that the strike is more symbolic than strategic and aimed at sending a message to the Union Executives. Also I believe they pay them such little strike pay as it makes accepting an offer more appealing. If they got 80% of their pay many could hold out for a pie in the sky offer that may never come.

    I guess there is no guessing how Canada feels about Trump. Which if the automakers and so many others are in support of the higher standard I’m not sure what Trump is expecting to accomplish by freezing the EPA standards at 2022 levels.

    The sunvisor is a great idea and I can see that spreading throughout the industry.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Do those crooked for-profit universities have strong unions?

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 I was only in the union for about a year, 42 years ago, but not during a strike. I think the strike pay was much higher then, maybe 75-80%, so a lot of people looked at a strike as extra vacation, when it didn’t affect their income in such a serious way.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    17 My so-called non-profit U is just as crooked. No U has a strong union, and if they did, I bet the level of work would PLUMMET.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    17 I assume you are not referring to such for-profit U’s as MIT and Harvard, but outfits more like that huge University of Arizona “Distance learning” degree racket? (which might well be non-profit, I am not sure nor would i care to check)

  22. cwolf Says:

    Many of us have been with Autoline from day one or for a very long time; This alone speaks volumes about the show.
    If something could improve, I would like some of the data reported to be supported with more historical background. This would add clarification and better insight.

  23. Drew Says:

    Let’s give Dr. Data more air time. I’d love to see 10-year sales charts that show vehicle type and brand shifts in different markets. For example, I’m in the U.K. now for the 1st time in 20 years. I’m shocked at the large number of German brands on the road. Also, it’s good to see a mix of coupes, sedans and wagons. Charts please.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    17 I guess I was answering the wrong question, as I said there is a union covering all profs of all U’s, I believe, the AAUP, but it has no teeth as far as payraises are concerned. Each U has its own merit pay raise system, which can be abused, a lot of discretion is usually given to the Department chair to assign the raises, the deans rarely override them, and in research U’s they are based less on your scholarly achievements and more on how much $ you brought the greedy and wasteful U (because for every $ of funding you bring, you can spend only half of it, the other half is benefits and especially overhead. maybe more than half now.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    22 What did you expect? The UK has no auto industry besides some exotics and GM clones (Vauxhall) and Fords made there, if they will keep making them there.

    I would be surprised at the number of French cars in the UK, given their significant “crapiness” factor, quoting Mary Barra again.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 I was thinking of University of Phoenix, which is in Arizona.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    26 that’s what I thought in 21

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 When I was in the UK in 1971, Ford was the top selling brand, even though the British-based industry still existed, sort of. Ford is still the best selling brand in the UK, with VW second. It’s anybody’s guess what will happen after the disaster that is Brexit.

    https://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/August-2019-best-sellers-cars.png

  29. Drew Says:

    I am surprised at the number of French cars, too. But the volume of German cars will make you think the Brits lost WW-II.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This is better UK sales data, with both brands and models.

    https://www.best-selling-cars.com/britain-uk/2019-q1-britain-best-selling-car-brands-and-models/

  31. Larry D. Says:

    28 I think the table is wrong, because I know the third best selling car in Aug 2019 in the UK was the Tesla Model 3.

    29 1939 was 80 years ago.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    29 The Brits did win the war but it was a Pyrric victory, they were near-bankrupt at the end, the & was destroyed (Churchill bought a new ROlls in the 30s for only 2,000 pounds), lost India in 47 and dozens of other colonies by the 1960s.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 When I was in the UK in 1970-71, I had a VW, and there weren’t many of them there. At the time, there were a lot of people around who remembered WW II all too well.

    While there were a lot of Ford Cortinas, Consuls, Corsairs, and then-new rear drive Escorts, there were a lot of cars from the dying “home grown” brands, with a lot of Morris Minors running around. They would have been discontinued about the time I left the UK.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 The chart linked in #31 lists number 3 as “other.” I’m not sure why. This lists it as Tesla Model 3.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/05/tesla-model-3-was-uk-third-best-selling-car-in-august

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 That’s “chart linked in #28 shows number 3 as ‘other.’”

  36. Ed Says:

    About the show, and unions, I live in the south. Texas to be specific. It would be good for you to actually come to the “south” and see what goes on outside of Detroit. Do a show in Dallas or Austin, or even San Antonio where Toyota produces the Tundra and Tacoma. Tundra numbers are down compared to Ford, but they are gaining, service trucks here now use them more and they last longer. Slowly but surely there will be a problem for the remaining (big three) How people actually think and feel about these issues , and about the automotive industry. I read a lot of false prejudices regarding us on here from people who have never lived here for any amount of time. At least 5 years or more, and not be a snowbird off the economy. Also look at our non union economy, I hear a lot about the run down crime ridden cites of the rust belt a lot. We don’t have those. And we know why.

  37. Roger Blose Says:

    Hello team Autoline. I love your show and content each day and week. How about a show on the inside story of manufacturers defects on new cars. How they find these defects, how the companies try and fix them, who is at fault, and who get fired for allowing these to get into the field. The outside vendors who share warranty repair costs, the PR / media control of the defect story, the dealers who have to handle angry customers, and the bottom line costs of these disasters all would be a great segment for a show.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    36 a “false prejudice” is actually a good thing, such as “unbiased”, right?

  39. Marshy Says:

    I love the show and the balance between product and industry news.

    I’d like to see more analysis – I enjoy learning how the facts link up and shape the industry.

    Also consider more details about the history and current events of the industry: things like plants and politics.

    Cheers!

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 The northern industrial cities have lost hundreds of thousands of well paying factory jobs over the years, for various reasons. Not only have the “big three” lost a lot of market share to imports and transplants, but also, it takes a lot fewer employees to make a car, or any other product than it once did. This loss of jobs has a lot to do with the “run down crime ridden cites of the rust belt” you describe.

    The Toyota and other transplant factories in Texas, and in South Carolina, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Alabama, and wherever else they may be were mostly built on converted farmland, or whatever. While their getting tax exemptions, free roads, etc., along with a non-union work force has obviously been good for the companies, and for the people who have gotten the jobs, it might have been better for society as a whole, if the transplants had been placed in existing industrial areas, rather than as has been done.

    Anyway, the reason you don’t have the “run down crime ridden cites of the rust belt” has a lot to do with with jobs moving to your area for cheaper labor, government incentives, and maybe better winter weather.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    40 The crime in the snowbelt, and specifically in NY City (which has no auto plants as far as I know) and Chicago, existed long before some of the jobs moved south, since the 20s.

    The riots in Detroit in 67 which was the start of the ruin of a once prosperous city happened when GM and Ford and Chrysler had 90% of the auto sales in the US and not the 47% they have today.

    Maybe on top of the corruption in the unions you should also look at the corruption in the City Halls, most of them run by democratic machines such as the infamous Daley one in Chicago. Detroit city hall corruption has been legendary too.

  42. Aliisdad Says:

    Thanks for asking for viewer input, but Autoline is GREAT as it is now!! You do a great job!!

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 The crime rate in New Orleans has been high for decades too.

    Yeah, the riots in Detroit, Newark, and some other cities started downward slides that they never recovered from. Still, I think Flint, Michigan would be a lot better off, if they hadn’t lost ~80,000 GM jobs over the last two decades, and greater Detroit would be better off if they hadn’t lost hundreds of thousands of jobs.

  44. veh Says:

    A topic for Autoline, wasn’t he on the show once or twice? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-ingrassia/tribute-to-paul-ingrassia-former-reuters-managing-editor-idUSKBN1W126L

  45. Joey Crampton Says:

    Love the show John & crew. I’ve been here since the beginning and I still get lots of value from your insights every day. I like that I get updated quickly everyday on the latest auto news. I like John’s ‘Autoline insights’. One of my favourites in the viewer mail replies from John. Also like the auto show coverage and interviews, even though I don’t always have time to listen/watch them. Maybe your could do a wrap-up of the most important models/news from each show.

  46. cwolf Says:

    A close friend of mine is a plant manager for Leer. He was moved to Tennessee for a year or so, then again to San Antonio (I believe) to oversee the construction/consolidation of several plant there. He said the biggest obstacle in Tennessee was meth/other drugs and how to ween the workers off them. Texas was a different story. The folks were hard workers, but even at a low wage ($15/hr.), they wouldn’t come to work after getting a couple checks in hand. Many go back to Mexico to be with family.
    No matter where you go, people are people…just different issues.

  47. Bob Wilson Says:

    My suggestions: (1) some way to edit “typo” and “fat fingers” in posts and; (2) some way to get a notice if someone replies to a posting.

    Upon further reflection, your current practice of holding posts with URLs until moderated makes sense. It appears to keep the SPAMMERs and other Internet thieves at bay.

  48. merv Says:

    I like your show just the way it is. My only thought would be if you wanted to take a day off here and there,a guest host would be fine. I’ve always enjoyed Peter,Kristy(unsure of spelling),and many others.

  49. Joe C. Says:

    I love the show. I agree with 12. A little more international news would be nice. The Chinese market is important and often talked about, but Europe, UK and South American markets are quite important as well. additionally, Sean used to do a “garage” series which was pretty good. be nice to see it come back.

  50. joe Says:

    31
    Being you bring up your darling Tesla again, here’s some more news that you’d rather not talk about.

    C:\Users\al’s\Desktop\Taurus handgun reg. info1.pdf

    Add the above to the list below and tell me what you think.

    https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/1017993-bill-maurer/4998156-teslas-growing-failure-list-august-2019-updat

  51. Kit Gerhart Says:

    i3 dropped.

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2019-09-16/BMW-pulls-plug-on-iconic-i3-model-in-NEV-strategy-shift-K1Wa6n8j3a/index.html

  52. joe Says:

    31

    Sorry, I copied and paste the wrong link.

    Being you bring up your darling Tesla again, here’s some more news that you’d rather not talk about.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2019/09/09/more-broken-promises-from-tesla/#6d4ddf1f2aa0

    Add the above to the list below and tell me what you think.

    https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/1017993-bill-maurer/4998156-teslas-growing-failure-list-august-2019-updat

  53. Bill Warner Says:

    The “new” sunvisor featured is quite impressive, but Cadillac used a less sophisticated, but transparent plastic visors in the 1957 and 1958 Cadillac El Dorado Broughams.

  54. Nate Says:

    I’m a little worried about the show now, since you’re asking for advice.
    The only things I don’t like about the show is when you talk about racing, or occasionally have a guest from one of the car companies droning on about their particular product.

  55. Larry D. Says:

    Paul Ingrassia, a longtime journalist for The Wall Street Journal and Reuters who won a 1993 Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of a boardroom revolt at General Motors, has died after battling cancer. He was 69.

    A serious observer of the auto industry.

  56. Larry D. Says:

    51 I also would not care a rat’s behind about stupid NASCAR or even any other race, F1, F2 or whatever. And I also agree with the free informercials disguised as “guests”. They should PAY and be ads.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    John, I think devoting a sentence or two about who won the major major races is fine for the show. Those of us who follow racing, as I do with F1, already know the results, but you provide information for those with only a casual interest in racing.

  58. Larry D. Says:

    54 If you go to this site for the news, you will be a day late at least. And if you obviously have access to the internet, why would you wait 24 hours, especially if you give a rat’s posterior, to find out who won the races?

    I only come here to see the analysis and to comment. I regularly post news here that the show tells you the next day, as in monthly sales numbers and the like.

  59. Larry D. Says:

    In case you were back in Denver and got a sudden urge to shell out $0.5 mill to buy a Roller:

    Rolls-Royce expands dealership footprint to Denver

    The newest dealership marks the automaker’s 38th location in the U.S. and 45th in the Americas region, which also includes Canada, Brazil, Chile and Mexico. The Americas region is the brand’s largest globally.

  60. Lambo2015 Says:

    55 The same could be said for almost everything they report on Larry. The internet makes almost all news available as it happens and Autoline only does a show once a weekday. So to not mention any news that happened more than 24 hours ago would not leave them with anything to report on. The purpose it to offer a brief summary of everything automotive including racing regardless of your particular interest. Its for those people who cannot spend all day on their computer and just want an overview. I like the broad coverage and if its something I want more information on then I can search the internet for more info.

  61. cwolf Says:

    Check the present figures. I read China tops the U.S. market in Rolls sales. I think China bought a little over 1000 of the 3600 made.

  62. Kit Gerhart Says:

    55 I don’t care much about NASCAR, but I don’t mind learning from this show a day late who won a race. Probably others feel the same way about an F1 race that I might have watched live at 2:00 am.

  63. Larry D. Says:

    “We seriously need to have a Big worldwide celebration when Tesla reaches 1 million cars produced. (All models combined)”

    If I could make a wild guess, I’d say the resident incorrigible Tesla hater “Joe” will not be invited…

  64. Kit Gerhart Says:

    From Discover on Google https://electrek.co/2019/09/17/tesla-plaid-model-s-crushes-porsche-taycan-nurburgring-time/

  65. cwolf Says:

    Tesla’s are nice vehicles and they lead the industry in innovation. But you have to admit, Larry, the company has many serious issues to burden.

  66. Larry D. Says:

    62 No, you have no clue in hell. A Chevy CRUZE is a nice vehicle (unlike the ugly Bolt).

    A Space Shuttle is NOT a “nice vehicle”.

    Why don’t you read up first, and I don;t mean “Joe”‘s links.

    I remember when I started posting here there were all kinds of Tesla hating conspiracy theorists who, with a straight face, claimed, like Joe, that the earth is flat and the moon is made of blue cheese. In short, they claimed Tesla was bankrupt, its sales were ‘fake news’, and similar BS.

    Thanks to John AND Sean’s NEWS reporting, (I will take no credit for my contributions), nobody dares to utter such nonsense any more. INSTEAD, it is the OTHER BEVs that, so far, are not selling, are discontinued like the i 3 above, etc.

    Stop being in DENIAL.

    It may kill the haters to realize it, but Musk is NOT some idiot incompetent Auto CEO. AND Tesla is the ONLY American (100% American, NO cars built in Mexico!) whose US made cars are IMMENSELY Popular the world over.

    I remember the PATHETIC attempts of Caddy to sell their crappy cars in Japan in the 80s and 90s, even after pressure from the US administration. They failed miserably.

    And instead of all americans REJOICING for these TRIUMPHS, you have characters like “joe” who are wasting their lives to find links having something negative to say about this INCREDIBLE, SOLE US Auto Success Story!~

  67. Larry D. Says:

    61 Thanks, took a look. This is not the official run, it only says it has already beaten the Taycan, which is stating the obvious, I am sure before they brought the S in the Ring they had done some runs vs the taycan at a similar location and knew they could beat it.

    The S has not had a major redesign since 2012-13 when it appeared, but still, If I ever get a BEV, and unless some other maker comes out with a better one (especially if not at twice the price!), I’d go for a used S every time, vs a new Model 3. Even in the old country, where streets are narrow and smaller cars are much more practical.

  68. cwolf Says:

    What does the Cruze and a space shuttle have to do with the topic ? Stay on point!
    One last time and just for you; The flippin cars are GREAT!!!!
    Still, Musk doesn’t know how to run a car company and he sure as heck can’t keep the talent he needs to run it.
    Simply said, on point and ALL true.

  69. Larry D. Says:

    65 Oh right, poor Elon does not know how to run a car company, let’s bring in Rick Wagoner from retirement to help him BANKRUPT Tesla after he bankrupted GM (an amazing feat, to bankrupt the BIGGEST automaker, who normally, if it had any success, should eat up its competitors and have the anti-trust division of DoJ on its behind!).

    And so that our Ford fans don’t feel slighted, let’s steal Humpty Dumpty Hackett from Ford, whose managing genius resulted in Ford’s rating plummeting from ‘near junk’ to COMPLETE JUNK.

    Right. RIck Wagoner and John Hackett. Let’s get them both to help poor 160 IQ Elon.

  70. Larry D. Says:

    58 Check the present figures. I read China tops the U.S. market in Rolls sales. I think China bought a little over 1000 of the 3600 made.

    You are free to check them yourself, if I had to guess, even with 1,000 China sales, the US should have more than that, if the total is 3600. It is a huge market, bigger than Europe or China, for RRs, thanks to our awesome economy and prosperity (not to mention still dirt cheap gas)

    Speaking of gas prices, somebody hit Saudi Oil plants and oil prices jumped 8 bucks yesterday. Fortunately, and thanks to Trump and no thanks to Obama, the US has become the no 1 producer in the world after 80 years again, and if prices rise, this will hurt the big oil importing nations in Europe and esp China, far more than it will hurt the US (if at all)

  71. Donald LaCombe Says:

    I watch as many of the shows as possible. There is no automotive program on the planet more informative than yours.

    A topic I would like to see covered is the ability of power companies to supply the amount electricity that will be needed to charge all these electric vehicles in the future, especially if the government mandates electric vehicles. The power companies are being mandated to increase renewable production which does not increase the output significantly. The term “Leming” comes to mind.

  72. cwolf Says:

    Wagoner was in the hot seat and had to file for bankruptcy..true. But the right answer is that GM was just too big, too slow to innovate and too bureaucratic to be profitable. Good ol’Ricky was just in the wrong position at the wrong time and not smart enough(impossible task) to know how to reduce GM’s very high fixed costs.

    Ford’s near junk status is temporary and will improve by next year. The status review came when they reduced their line up and before many new models became introduced. Directing their focus towards EV’s was not in consideration. Many feel Ford is moving in the right direction and in a better position than most.

    But we are not talking about these guys are we? we’re talking about Musk. One man doesn’t run a successful company; It takes many who can run with the ball and replacements can only move at a snail’s pace. Unfortunately Musk can’t keep any of the ones needed to make it profitable. And if Tesla doesn’t make profits, it’s doomed to fail at some point.

  73. Kit Gerhart Says:

    64 The stop watch time should be within a second or so. I don’t know what it takes to make an “official” run, but probably some kind of scheduling is involved.

  74. Kit Gerhart Says:

    67 Thanks to Trump’s reneging on international agreements made in good faith, and his declaring economic war on Iran, things are getting increasingly dangerous in the middle east.

  75. Lambo2015 Says:

    :-) No one here has a clue but the almighty all knowing Larry. Which I am beginning to think is a alias for the one and only Donald Trump. With the childish name calling like Humpy dumpty Hacket :-) I cant stop laughing.. Its either Donald or a 12 year old in his parents basement.

  76. Kit Gerhart Says:

    67,58 China sold the most Phantoms. US, the most total RRs.

    https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/05/08/china-is-now-the-largest-market-in-the-world-for-the-rolls-royce-phantom/

  77. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m sure there will be a huge party at Larrys house when Tesla sells their 1 millionth vehicle. For those that care. Even when most people here agree that Tesla has the right stuff and is doing things that no one else has been able to do when it comes to EVs you still feel the need to be a cheerleader. But honestly Larry balance it with the fact that they also have their troubles which would not be uncommon for any new manufacturer. I believe most people want to see Elon and Tesla succeed and are not haters of them but of the offensively rude comments that support them. Just a thought. But I know its wasted breath to try and explain anything to a know it all.

  78. Larry D. Says:

    70 For decades we were the suckers of the world, their sugardaddies and everything else. Trump was the FIRST president, to his credit, who put a well needed stop to all that. The agreements were absolutely unacceptable, such as the Iran nuclear deal, and the idiot professional politicians should have been charged with treason.

    The massive theft of intellectual property by the CHinese, who apparently have your professional political class all bought and paid for, ALSO had to be protested, and the ensuing trade war necessary as these characters obviously do not even know what fair trade means. And Trump did that at a risk to his reelection.

    Even the extreme right winger GEORGE SOROS wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, the only SERIOUS and UNBIASED major paper in the USA, quite the opposite of the disgraced NYT and Wash Post, which LAUDS Trump for his stand against the thugs of HUAWEI.

  79. Larry D. Says:

    78 Of course I meant the extreme LEFT Winger George Soros that FOx news used to badmouth all the time.

  80. Larry D. Says:

    Out of curiosity I checked my own saved emails for 2018 US sales and ROlls Royce sold 1,080 vehicles just in the US, vs the 1,000 or so in CHina mentioned here earlier. But RR groups the US, Brazil, Canada and Chile as “The Americas”, which still remains by far its biggest market.

  81. Gary Susie Says:

    Been here since the start. I would like to see a show on who does a better job running the car companies, engineers or bean counters.

  82. Kit Gerhart Says:

    78 Trump’s trade war, hate mongering, and antienvironmentalism is to shore up his base, to increase his chance of re-election.

    As you’ve said, his trade war will probably hurt other economies more than the US, but a de-stabilized China would not be a good thing for the world, not just for China.

  83. Kit Gerhart Says:

    78 Wall Street Journal serious and unbiased? Yeah, right, and Fox News is fair and balanced.

  84. joe Says:

    cwolf and Lambo2015

    Thanks cwolf and Lambo2015 for giving “Mr know it all”—Larry, a lesson or two on manners and integrity.