AD #2686 – Toyota Takes Bigger Stake in Subaru, Hyundai to Make Passenger Drones, Nissan Refreshes the Titan

September 30th, 2019 at 11:48am

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Runtime: 8:10

0:07 Toyota Takes Bigger Stake in Subaru
0:40 Shanghai to Ban Diesel Trucks
1:06 Hyundai Plans to Make Passenger Drones
2:07 Nissan Refreshes the Titan Pickup
3:28 UAW Strike Continues
4:31 You Said It!

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31 Comments to “AD #2686 – Toyota Takes Bigger Stake in Subaru, Hyundai to Make Passenger Drones, Nissan Refreshes the Titan”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    I can easily see Shanghai’s ban of diesel trucks being picked up by cities like L.A. Hopefully the availability of vehicles and infrastructure will be in place prior to the laws being passed.

    Passenger drones; to me still seem like a pipe dream. I think they may find some uses for police and hospitals to replace current more expensive Helo’s but for actual taxi like service, I think it will become a nightmare of “careful what you wish for”. The constant buzzing of lots of drones would make city living horrible.

    John; glad to see the “You said it” segment back.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I was in Shanghai about 20 years ago, and the millions of 2-stroke mopeds and small motorcycles were fouling the air, probably as much or more than the old, smoky diesel trucks and buses. If anyone here has been there recently, are the 2-stroke bikes gone now, or mostly gone?

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Those passenger drones will be a hot item for those who can afford to pay $1000 for a two mile taxi ride. Beyond that, I don’t see much use. If they are battery electric, as ones I have read about in the past seem to be, they will have little range/run time. Also, if there are very many of them in big cities, the collisions will be frequent, killing people in the machines, and on the ground.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    ” That’s about 120,000 trucks that only account for about 3% of all vehicles in the city, but produce one third of all NOx emissions and almost half of all particulates. ”

    A rational decision to ban them. Beijing, who has worse pollution than Shanghai, should not be far behind. OR have they banned them there already? Imagine being the all-powerful president for Life of the Worlds 2nd (and soon 1st) biggest economy and have to breathe that god-awful air and walk only wearing those masks on your nose!

    “And that is going to create tremendous demand for battery electric trucks. ”

    As much as I wish this to be true, it will not necessarily be so! They only banned the 120,000 DIESEL trucks. They do not have necessarily to be replaced by BEVs. Some will, but others will just replace the engine by a gas engine.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    3 we already have had these for more than a century or so, they are called helicopters. If you can afford to pay 10 times the super-fast ferry ticket, you can take one of these from Hong Kong to Macau, and in all kinds of other big, prosperous business centers.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    Even in my first visit to Shanghai in May-July 2006, there were thousands of EV scooters, as i have stated here many times, popular with young women students, who used to ride two on each, the passenger behind the driver holding an open umbrella, rain AND shine (they protect their skins), and when I asked how much they cost, I got the ridiculously low (by US and Europe standards) price of $500-600 US.

    I was back there in 2016, May-June, and hope to go back November this year for the entire month, and will look to see how many BEV cars there are, in 2006 and 2016 I did not see one.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    6 I’m surprised you saw EV scooters 13 years ago. Here in the states it seems like EV cars were ahead of scooters and motorcycles, but maybe just not as popular here is why.
    When you say scooter, do you mean like Vespa scooter or the skateboard with handles type of scooter? I assume the first only cause I could not imagine riding two on the later version.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    7 they were like small vespas, piaggios, not the little EV scooters of today in the US.

  9. Larry D. Says:

    7 anyway today’s skateboard “scooters” did not exist even in the US in 2006, much less in China.

  10. ChuckGrenci Says:

    A trillion plus for passenger drones; don’t think so (ever). And agree, if this was such a upcoming technology there would be a cacophony of helicopters littering our skies.

    And I agree with all your responses on “You Said It” pertaining to your union retorts John (keep up the good and fair reporting).

  11. Bradley A Says:

    Wow! +$20K + benefits over 5 years.

    I work as an engineer in the aerospace industry, I will be very lucky to hit $20k in salary in the next 5 years. My benefits are definitely going to keep going down too. i.e. I will have to pay more of my healthcare. As every year I have worked (16 years) benefits keep getting less and less.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    What’s surprising about the strike to me, is the news is saying GM is losing 25 Million a day when they still have inventory and are not paying wages right now. Seems like they would be rolling in cash until they start losing out on sales.
    If the average worker makes $64 an hour with benefits the workers are losing $2560 a week. Now going into the third week they will have lost $7680 of that $8000 signing bonus GM was offering. They hold up much longer and anything they do get wont make up for what they are losing now.
    They also say that the lost wages of the workers at GM and suppliers equates to an estimated $68 million in lost federal income and payroll taxes so far.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 Sorry “they” was the Detroit Free Press.
    https://www.freep.com/story/money/business/john-gallagher/2019/09/30/general-motors-uaw-strike-costs/3786688002/

  14. Larry D. Says:

    12 What surprises me is that GM made them such a generous offer, I would not offer them one tenth what GM offered, and it did not even need to.

    Let the strike continue, it will only improve GM’s inventories. Unfortunately it will ruin the suppliers and their workers.

  15. Bob Wilson Says:

    Boeing slipped in a badly designed, automated, anti-stall system and two fatal crashed grounded the whole, Boeing 737 Super fleet. The first time one of these drones augers in wiping out families, they will share the Boeing 737 fleet fate as grounded art.

    #11 – correctly points out that ‘health benefits’ are constantly being eroded. The first time my wife’s prescription was rejected because it was the ‘wrong dosage’, I realized 1/3d of the insurance companies are there to say “NO” while 2/3d of the office medical staff are insurance clerks trying to process the insurance red-tape.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    As for that loser “Titan” brick… it needs more chrome on the grille.. about as much as Jennifer Lopez needs a bigger posterior.

  17. Larry D. Says:

    Don’t get me started on Health benefits. Here we are supposed to have a “Caddilac” plan which costs the U and families a pretty penny. When it got started in the 80s, you had three FREE visits and every visit after the co-pay was an utterly insignificant $4. Today there are NO free visits, and the co-pay is $30. Every 15-30 min visit is priced at over $250, and we pay $30 of that in addition to our monthly fees, and the U contributes a multiple of that too. We have one free (no co-pay) annual checkup with our primary doctor, BUT we have to schedule it ONE YEAR in advance, and if we, with 99% probability, have to miss it a year later, we CANNOT reschedule it with the doctor, but only with her nurse. I had to do that once, the nurse had me cough 25 times and still was not sure so she had me get a chest xray which, as I knew, having never smoked in my life, was perfect.

    But the Hospitals take the cake. Why are there no demonstrations in the streets when they charge you $20 for a piece of cotton you can buy at CVS for a quarter? ($0.25)? A 10-min outpatient cataract bill was $10,000 per eye 4 years ago, $20,000 (!!!), and the co-pay was the same $30 you pay for a worthless visit!!!!!

  18. Larry D. Says:

    17 “we have to schedule it ONE YEAR in advance”

    This is almost as bad as the joke about the USSR Reagan loved to say: Over there, the wait to get a new car (and a lousy one at that) was 10 years, IF you paid in advance. SO some poor Joe accumulated, with lots of sacrifices, the correct amount, and went to the ‘dealer’ to schedule the delivery.

    “Your car will be ready for you in exactly ten years from now” he was told.

    “Morning or afternoon”? he asked.

    Annoyed, the bureaucrat replied “WHat difference does it make?”

    “It sure does! That day, in the morning I have an appointment with the plumber”.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Regular helicopters run on gas or kerosene, and the ones taking passengers for Hong Kong to Macau carry several passengers, and fly under regular air traffic control rules. These “drones” being discussed are small multi-rotor things carrying one passenger, and maybe, or maybe not a pilot, between places in the middle of big cities. I don’t see it happening much. I guess time will tell, but I probably won’t be around long enough to see it.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6,7,8 The scooters in 2006 probably used lead acid batteries, had a top speed of maybe 20 mph, and would not have had much range. I remember a few of those being sold in the U.S. The new ones would have lithium batteries, and have a lot more range, and are probably faster, or could be if they want them to be.

    Do people take them in their homes, mostly apartments to charge them? That would work if you are on the first floor, or have an elevator.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    Those 2006 scooters looked like 3/4ths or 7/8ths scale models of a Vespa. I did not see them in 2016 but I was in a very different location.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 My understanding is the drones will have the Autonomous features to detect other aircraft in the area and be programmed to maneuver around those and any obstacles. So not needing air traffic control. So a bunch of un-regulated self flying choppers flying in all directions. Or do you suppose they expect it to be like in the movie “Total Recall” where the flying cars still follow the roads which would seem ridiculous and a waste. The fastest way is a direct route but how that’s going to be managed will be interesting.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    You are now supposed to register any “drone,” or model airplane, weighing over 0.55 pounds. Fortunately for model airplane flyers like myself, you only need one registration per person, even if you have multiple flying machines.

    https://www.droneregistration.com

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    These are probably the “state of the art” electric scooters, but are apparently not sold in the U.S., at least not yet.

    https://electrek.co/2018/06/01/gogoro-launches-two-new-electric-scooters/

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Big pickups is one market segment that the “Detroit Three” still dominate, deservedly so. The Titan and Tundra both lag behind in multiple ways. At least the Tundra is reliable.

    I still don’t understand about 10 times as many people buying these things as have any use for them, but that’s another story.

  26. cwolf Says:

    GM’s generous offer did nothing to address the main issues. Temp workers can work years without any type of representation, job security, medical benefits and at a base pay of $15/hr. For any family having kids, this is poverty level! These people deserve a clear realistic path to full time employment.
    And the promised new jobs at future EV plants isn’t much better. If GM gave assurances those jobs were under a UAW contract, which included a something close to a middle class income and benefits the strike may have been settled by now. GM’s initial offer of alternating 2% raises and lump sum payments to workers was nothing more than political one-up-man ship for the media.
    Like them or not, the UAW is trying to keep the middle class alive. If the middle class continues to deteriorate, so does the 70% of GDP of our economy the represent.
    Its as clear as that!

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    26 I totally agree with your point and glad the UAW is fighting for workers that are not even union members. I can understand GM having these temp workers to fill the gap as the industry fluctuates a lot. Rather than hire a bunch of people to lay them off in a year or so the temp workers make sense. However those workers should be paid a closer wage to the union workers to prevent GM from just having a bunch of temps on the floor for years and years basically replacing a union worker with a lower paying temp that stays for years. If the job is needed then hire someone.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    26, 27

    I cannot believe this. Especially after what happened in 2008.

    Can anybody tell me why, under these circumstances, I would want to own even a SINGLE Share in GM?

    Can you explain to me why GM went broke in 2008 and Toyota did not?

    Can you explain to me why the Imports, from Japan for mass market models, and from Germany, for luxury models, beat the US companies and GM in particular, in home games, 40 years in a row?

    26 is a good explanation to all my questions.

    If GM (and Ford and FCA) go broke again (and the way things are going, it very likely will, soon), will the US Taxpayer bail them out again, even though Major suppliers, through no fault of their own, also went broke and Nobody bailed them out?

    There is NO HOPE in this industry, with this mentality. (there has been none in 50 years, but now it is obvious)

  29. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnoaWO3KDIA

    The world’s most perfect parade. I will have to miss it by a month.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 That must have taken some serious practice.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    30 for sure. The Chinese are also naturally more flexible, better acrobats, and have better body control than westerners, so that helps too.

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