AD #2724 – Tesla Unveils Wild Cybertruck, Lexus Shows Off First EV, GM Plans Electric Truck for Fall 2021

November 22nd, 2019 at 11:59am

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Runtime: 12:06

0:07 Tesla Unveils Wild Cybertruck
0:31 Cybertruck Specs
1:22 Cybertruck Maintains Common Tesla Interior
1:41 Cybertruck Built to Pair with Tesla ATV
2:13 Cybertruck Styling Likely Reduces Tooling Costs
3:50 GM Plans EV Truck for Fall 2021
4:15 GM & Isuzu Invest in Diesel Engine Plant
4:47 Lexus Shows Off First EV
5:22 IIHS To Update Side Crash Test
6:07 Are Labor Costs Hurting Detroit Automakers?
8:28 NACTOY Finalist Viewer Feedback
10:17 What Car Is Elvis Sitting In?

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85 Comments to “AD #2724 – Tesla Unveils Wild Cybertruck, Lexus Shows Off First EV, GM Plans Electric Truck for Fall 2021”

  1. Ron Paris Says:

    If the Tesla pickup highlights any one thing it is the utter bankruptcy of the Tesla brain trust.Same old wildly optimistic promises wrapped in neo-Delorean sheet metal. Just plain ugly!

  2. Daniel Busch Says:

    Finally an electric vehicle that looks like an electric vehicle.

  3. Ron Paris Says:

    Elvis’ car is a Lincoln, but I’m not sure what year/model.

  4. Bob Wilson Says:

    I have no requirements for a pickup truck but the cybertruck specs and features are impressive. I would add the 120/240 AC inverter to my Model 3 in a heartbeat.

    I would expect a Kambach aero spoiler for the sharp peak AFTER some wind tunnel and tuff testing. They might have gotten the angle right.

    It looks like an F117 offspring with a DeLorian.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Thanks for the reply from John. Yes, that answers my question, and my thoughts on ‘value’ regarding your examples are similar, especially since mid-engine sports cars tend to be low volume, compared to pickup trucks.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    One good thing about the Tesla Truck is it isn’t able to be detected by radar. Would look perfectly at home parked next to a stealth fighter.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    Elvis’s car I believe is a 1958 Lincoln Premiere

  8. Roger Blose Says:

    Yes, the Elvis car is a Lincoln convertible, may be 1958-9. The tesla is a Moon buggy design which looks home made. A wicket fast contractor getaway truck for sure.

  9. Bob Wilson Says:

    #6 – I too thought about asking about the radar cross-section. Perhaps after market providers are already working on a radar absorbing and laser reflecting nose cone.

  10. Bob White Says:

    It looks crazy but Tesla’s market capitalization exceeds the value of both Ford or GM by a wide margin. We’ll see…

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    “Cybertruck Styling Likely Reduces Tooling Costs” and sales. The truck has some nice features like the extendable tailgate and suspension lowering. However in addition to the horrible styling the blindspot on this thing has to be bad and with the rear bed cover closed and no side mirrors I assume lots of sensors and cameras help maneuver this thing?

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    According to Jalopnik, the Tesla thing is about the same size as a regular “crew cab” short bed pickup, but in one picture I saw, it looks much bigger. Does anyone know for sure?

    The picture where it looks really long is about 1/4 of the way down in this article:

    https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/22/we-have-five-questions-about-teslas-cybertruck/

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …and the article saying it’s basically the same size as other trucks is here:

    https://jalopnik.com/how-the-tesla-cybertruck-hypothetically-measures-up-to-1839993925

  14. Buzzerd Says:

    The Tesla truck looks utterly ridiculous to me, rear passenger head room looks non existent.

  15. Barry T Says:

    1958 Lincoln Continental Convertible. Boom! Thanks Sean, that was fun.

    Also, I’d like the Tesla Pickup range towing 14,000 lbs.

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    15 Yeah it may be capable of towing 14,000 lbs but can it stop it? Trailer brakes don’t always work perfectly.

  17. david moore Says:

    I agree, 1958 Continental

  18. Albemarle Says:

    I figure the Tesla truck is shaped like stealth aircraft to present a small radar shadow. Otherwise it looks like a shop project to learn how to use a break.

  19. Gerry P Says:

    1958 Lincoln Continental Mark III

  20. david sprowl Says:

    Tesla’s new truck takes me back to a time long time ago when I made appliance boxes into cars. It looks good to me when I was 4 years old.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15,18 It probably had 14 inch wheels, but if a car like that were made now, it would have 24 inch wheels.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That was 15,19.

  23. JWH Says:

    Tesla pickup – Many nice features, however, the styling does not meet my tastes.

  24. buildmore2doors Says:

    Tesla pickup = fugly Hope it has a very strong air conditioning system because with that raked back windshield the solar loading is going to be astronomical. Best looking pickup truck ever made was the first gen Nissan Titan 2 door model, it had a wedge shape that made it look very modern without being weird. When I worked at GM they had similar designs on the drawing board to the Nissan that were even more wedgy and modern looking but never went with them. Too bad, they were some really good looking trucks.

  25. Michael O'Brien Says:

    Where are the mirrors? Are they required to have side view mirrors???

  26. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 I never really found any of the Nissan trucks very attractive.
    My best trucks list;
    1) 91-92 GMC Syclone Good looking and fast(then)
    2) 85 Toyota Hilux from “Back to the Future”
    3) 09-12 Ford Raptor Good looking and 6.2L
    4) 04-06 Dodge Ram SRT10 sharp and 500HP
    5) 89-90 Dodge Dakota Convertible Only cause it was a topless truck.
    Honorable mention to 94 Dodge Ram simple because the design turned it around for Dodge selling only 95K trucks in 93 and 235K in 94 with what everyone called the Mack truck look.

    However when it comes to looks alone I do really like many of the 50s and 60s trucks that are being used in resto-mods.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like the regular cab version of the 2nd generation Dodge Dakota, for a fairly recent pickup truck.

    https://flic.kr/p/2haRXyD

  28. Tony Gray Says:

    Other than the Model S, which I think is still a stunner, Tesla’s designs have not moved me. Til now. That truck is bad a**.

    I also think it’s a blank canvas for those “art car” types to go bonkers on.

  29. Carl Says:

    So you save $$ building a vehicle, that is butt ugly, and no one buys it, was it a smart cost savings?

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 I wonder if it will have paint as an option, or if that will be strictly aftermarket.

  31. Carl Says:

    Reminds me of the ridiculous EV vehicles they built on the British version of Top Gear several years ago.

  32. Dale Leonard Says:

    The Tesla Truck. I built better looking Soapbox Derby cars at 11 years old. I would not want one if they gave it to me. One word “UGLY”!

  33. TERRENCE Says:

    An observer at the show thinks that the Tesla truck uses unibody construction. He said that pickup trucks need a frame and suggested that the Tesla truck will lack durability because of it design.

  34. Albemarle Says:

    20 Good memories

    My favourite truck for looks is my Dad’s ‘64 Chevy C10 stepside in white. It was ‘just a truck’ and I loved it.

  35. GEM Says:

    Ya know, regardless of how I think the Cybertruck looks, they’re going to have one heck of a time meeting pedestrian safety standards. Not to mention the cheese grater interior. Looks like the team in Hawthorn we’ll need to smooth some things out.

  36. XA351GT Says:

    HOLY CRAP is that Tesla Butt freaking ugly, WOW! I wondered where the designer of the Pontiac Aztec , Nissan Cube and Juke went. Now I know. People said the Rivian was ugly , well ole Elon must have heard that and said “here hold my bong” Jumping Jesus that is bad. I can’t believe that Tesla who IMO opinion to date has made the best looking EVs that aren’t just electrified version of existing vehicles would come up with that and actually show that to the public. That looks like a 6 YO kid drew it on their book cover. I wonder how long Elon will be in the hospital for after shooting himself in the foot with that turd? I wonder if our cheerleader will tell us were all blind and it’s the most beautiful thing ever created?

  37. Drew Says:

    Flat sheet metal panels have a tendency to flutter at highway speeds (oil-canning). Perhaps our calendars are out-of-sync with Tesla… April 1 comes to mind.

  38. Brett Cammack Says:

    28

    Can you imagine that with a camo vinyl wrap?

  39. Brett Cammack Says:

    The longer I look at it an the more I think about it in the context of generational change within society (and how I’m aging out of the mainstream), I can see every one of these things shipping with an “OK, boomer” bumper sticker.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_Boomer

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 Haven’t there been some military vehicles shaped kind of like that? Anyway, I’d expect a lot of various vinyl wraps on them, especially if they are sold only with bare stainless steel.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Come on, the Nissan Cube, like the first generation Scion xB, is a great looking car.

  42. Sunrack Says:

    The Tesla truck looks like what a Bollinger truck would be if designed in Wackyland; or perhaps a futuristic Hollywood truck by George Barris.
    Elvis’s convertible is a 1958 Lincoln Mark III.

  43. Doug Says:

    The Cybertruck needs to go back into the oven.

  44. Barry Rector Says:

    Sure looks like a 1958 Lincoln Continental.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    42 Is this the one?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/f0/26/61f026d7ff9c889cafafcb46ca1fe710.jpg

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    45, meant @44

  47. Ctech Says:

    This might be Teslas first flop. I don’t see many consumers buying this truck, there are no variants body wise. As far as performance, waiting to see the real-life stats.

  48. Ctech Says:

    It seems to me if this is the Tesla design, to reduce stamping and production costs, then why not produce a van? A van lends itself to the flat-panel styling better.

  49. Kaine Says:

    That looks wicked cool, ” cybertruck” I’m buying 2 for sure..

  50. ChuckGrenci Says:

    That’s not a Tesla, that’s a Tonka. No, wait a minute; I’d rather have the Tonka.

    And I’m thinking that with its 14000 tow range, the charge range will be reduced by 2/3′s (if any indication of TFL’s test of the Tesla X’s towing prowess is any indication). Okay, I’m just speculating, it would be more prudent to just wait and see.

  51. Kit Gerhart Says:

    47 Maybe they were copying Jeep Gladiator, as far as no body variants. I suspect performance will be fine, but range, of course, will depend on what you are doing with it. A version with 300 mile nominal range might get more like 75, if pulling a 14,000 pound trailer.

    I just don’t see many people wanting something that looks like that. I really wonder if that is what they plan to actually build.

  52. ChuckGrenci Says:

    50, Kit, funny you should mention that (you wonder if that is what they are actually going to build). The sketches I’ve seen when the Tesla pickup was still in speculation actually looked a far departure from what was shown, and while vastly different from what is currently available from the big three, had a styling exercise that looked futuristic but palatable to the eye; that triangle of design is just off-putting.

  53. Zep Says:

    The Tesla Cybertruck will steal customers from everybody; pickup, sportscar, SUV, off-road, station wagon, you name it. It looks to be dirt cheap to produce and with its 3mm thick steel panels and built Ford Tough (Ford should hide that slogan now, it is embarrassing). It’s clearly designed by just creating two triangles to make it strong as a pyramid, and then add a couple of side panels.

    The price is putting enormous pressure on the competition when the specs are counted. Many people will just want a basic tough vehicle that is cheap and fast. The exterior will create healthy fear with uncomfortable laughter amongst the fellow motorists. You don’t want to get hit by this anvil of a truck and not compete with its performance.

  54. ChuckGrenci Says:

    …and I just read in the morning paper that Tesla stock took a 6% dip yesterday in which they speculated between the look of the vehicle and the failure of the touted stronge glass demonstration (failed twice, though granted the metal ball didn’t penetrate the window, which was good but typical of any other laminated glass).

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m surprised they hadn’t tested the windows before, if they were going to do that demo.

  56. buildmore2doors Says:

    Well, one good thing about the Tesla truck, Larry D must have been too embarrassed by it to comment on Friday’s show, we need more stuff like that in the future to keep Cybil away for good.

  57. Don B. Says:

    What happened to the pickup at the Semi unveiling, that one looked kind of normal.
    The rear view of the cyber truck reminds me of that that boat from Hulk Hogans tv show “Thunder in Paradise”. Or maybe that 80′s movie “Megaforce” that was a flop too.

  58. XA351GT Says:

    #54 LOL ++++++++++++

  59. Zep Says:

    @Kit. The reason the side windows broke was that they were pounding them with all kinds of things earlier in the day. That was good though, now everybody knows you will not want “bulletproof” side windows because of the safety reasons. Someday you might want to get out of the car or let the other people break the windows to get you out.

  60. Kit Gerhart Says:

    900 hp hybrid Corvette.

    https://jalopnik.com/the-c8-corvette-zr1-will-be-hybrid-and-make-900-hp-rep-1840013799

  61. ChuckGrenci Says:

    60, Kit, I saw those rumors like M/T mentioned a couple of months ago as well. I reasoned that if they went with the (then rumored 1000 h/p) with electric assist it would be similar to a KERS system so as not to add too much weight to the vehicle. A heavy battery seems counter productive to me but my diatribe is pure speculation so how Corvette adds that extra power I don’t know. Why wouldn’t a burst of extra power do the trick (rhetorical question).

  62. Bruce Melton, Says:

    The looks of the Tesla PUP are probably a test mule, which by the way makes a real “mule” look pretty…..well, sort of!!!…Then I have a Honda Clarity!—–Tesla must have hired the guy that designed the Clarity! Car drives well,very roomy and economical, but boy does it add a new dimension to the term “BUTT UGLY”!!! I guess Honda’s FCV needed a stablemate….They had to come up w/something to extend the use & manufacturing of the tooling for the FCV.

  63. Kit Gerhart Says:

    61 Yeah, I’d think a short, extea burst would be the only purpose. A 2-3 kWh battery would use up some space, maybe from the frunk, but people wanting the ZR-1 probably wouldn’t care. I wonder where they’d put the electric motor, between the DCT and the final drive?

  64. Kit Gerhart Says:

    61,63 I looks like it will be 4wd, with motors in the front, a battery somewhere, and probably a motor/generator between the ICE and the transmission. It sounds way too complicated.

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/c8-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-hybrid-twin-turbo-dohc-v-8-with-900-hp/

  65. ChuckGrenci Says:

    64, Seems that article dances around what we are speculating. With the ZO6 not yet out, the ZR1 is even more speculation. Chevy may have some surprises before all is said and done. With the car not even out it makes sense not to spill all of the beans to keep interest up in the brand.

  66. Kit Gerhart Says:

    65 Yeah, a lot of speculation, and the ZR1 is probably at least a year away, maybe 3.

  67. Kit Gerhart Says:

    146K cybertruck orders, says Elon.

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1198344195317985280?s=19

  68. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I think Elon’s smoking dope again.

  69. John H Says:

    Read a theory that the Tesla truck is just an attention-grabbing stunt before they reveal the real thing later. Makes sense to me.

  70. Kit Gerhart Says:

    68 …or the people placing those orders

  71. Larry D. Says:

    ” Bob White Says:
    November 22nd, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    It looks crazy but Tesla’s market capitalization exceeds the value of both Ford or GM by a wide margin.”

    here we go again. How many times need we stress that the value of a share of a company has LITTLE to do with the amount of its assets or its sales, BUT the expectation of FUTURE PROFITS, (and NOT bankruptcy 2.0, if I could add a hint)for that company.

    Returned after a 3 day trip by slow train to China’s AMAZING ancient Capital of Xian, I saw the Delorean truck on a chinese language channel, where it saw Musk hurl a brick and break a window.

    I was not sure this was his pickup, due to the far-out Sci-fi or High school science project looks, which I am not a fan of. Still, if he can sell a pickup Truck with this HUGE performance for $40k, as much as GM asks for the FAILED (100%) Bolt, which is a hatch people refuse to pay more than $17k for, and pickup trucks, the sky is the limit for performance versions, I predict there will be PLENTY of buyers!
    I also saw again in all-chinese channel, a white Tesla 3 being displayed in a Tesla store and the price, which I forget (I think it was $50,000 US but it does not make sense to use $ here)

  72. Larry D. Says:

    among the 100 amazing things I saw in Xi’an, besides the damned tourist trap terracotta soldiers of 200 BC (thousands of them life size), and the VAST history museum,

    I saw a pink current model civic driven by a young woman (who else), Mary Kay stuff

    I saw a blue Fit parked illegally get a ticket, the meter maid was a short uniformed male who went to give a ticket to a car two cars from the Fit, the Fit driver then threw a fit (could not resist), rolled the ticket into a little cylinder, set it on fire, and threw it on the pavement, all this not only in the presence of the above meter maid, But also right in front of the Communist Party Provincial Headquarters and essentially State Government of the province of Shaanxi (which should have at least 50 mill people).

  73. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.autonews.com/future-product/futuristic-design-questioned-after-tesla-cybertruck-launch?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191122&utm_content=article5-headline

    Wall Street Analysts divided on the Tesla Pickup.

    I think the $40k will sell a TON of them, even if I am not a fan of the shape myself (it would look much better with a minor modif up front), but not to the traditional pickup buyers (except if some of them, who are very loyal to US automakers, see the failure of any import to challenge US made full made pickups, if some of them realize that Tesla is more American than the “american” automakers who make EVs in mexico and Buicks in China.

    I believe besides the few traditional owners above, the mass of the buyers will be greens who need the utility of a pickup, and appreciate the 6 seats and its performance, fans of those god-awful space soap operas (Star Wars and Star Trek and 99% of all Sci Fi movies, who really suck). I would be curious to test drive it though.

  74. Larry D. Says:

    aAccording to Musk the inspiration for the truck design was the Lotus Esprit. A total non-truck… funny.

    It also resembles in its awkward sharp lines a concept from Aston from 1980 or so, the Bulldog, which had 600 HP, unbelievable for the time where Mercs had… 120 and topped at 249 HP, and Ferraris were not much better, with around 200 HP, pre-Testarossa.

  75. Larry D. Says:

    Musk sez he already has 146,000 orders for the Cybertruck (at $1,000 each, that’s a cool 146 million bucks)

    Even if half of these are not cancelled, he will sell more with the remaining half than the failed Bolt in its ENTIRE lifespan.

  76. Larry D. Says:

    75 I assumed $1000 but actually he requires only $100 for a reservation, so 146k of them is a mere $14.6 bucks. Even Elizabeth Warren’s net worth is more than that (and Biden and Sanders’s)

  77. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Musk’s tweet:

    146k Cybertruck orders so far, with 42% choosing dual, 41% tri & 17% single motor

    Most of the orders are for the multi-motor ones, but with only $100 deposit, these “orders” don’t mean much.

  78. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m guessing the reveal is a publicity stunt which is why he is only taking $100 deposits. I’m willing to bet he will eventually release the actual truck design that will look more like this.
    https://www.breezcar.com/img-c/pageimg/4800_W750.jpg

  79. Lambo2015 Says:

    56 Nope! But I do like him on the huge time difference as the comment section is good reading and without his typical FAILURE Bolt and Humpty dumpty Hacket and meaningless observations like 72.
    Can we start a go fund me to keep him in China longer?

  80. ChuckGrenci Says:

    78, Lambo, yeah, that’s what he needs to make. But if he does I’m guessing his biggest buyers will probably be the weekenders (lifestyle truckers) not the utility/heavy use truckers. Too soon to tell (but we’ll all be keeping our eye out for what develops).

  81. Lambo2015 Says:

    80 Yeah if its unibody and a very short bed it might have Subaru as its biggest competitor. Pull from all the adventurous pet owning buyers. Green and a place for the dog after it gets all muddy at the park. He could easily offer the suspension lowering and tailgate option that the wedge offers. The bed enclosure would work too as that seem to be a series of slats like a roll-top desk which could match the curved shape just as easy as the strait bed. My guess it that wedge will never see production.

  82. Kit Gerhart Says:

    “Cybertruck” is unibody.

  83. Brett Cammack Says:

    Over 200,000 pre-orders now at $100 a pop. As I said, this ain’t designed for boomers.

  84. Larry D. Says:

    79 Did you not even read 72, which you refer and betray your utter ignorance of everything, OR did you read it and still did not understand the first thing?

    And you are out of luck, China bans FACEBOOK and GOOGLE, not Autoline, so I could post from here until the cows come home. Maybe you should once in your life go outside of your little town or state or country or continent and see how the rest of the world lives for a change.

  85. FSTFWRD Says:

    The Tesla truck will do ok, I do not think these will be bought by green people but just to show their neighbors “Look what I got”. Most will be parked in driveways, not garages, as one will need to show it off and nobody can see what is in your garage. And with this styling, nobody will mistake it, so everyone will know you have a Tesla. I wouldn’t be caught dead in one, as in my mind it is the Aztek of trucks. My two pennies. (Bring it on L. D., tell me how wrong and foolish I am).