AD #2748 – Volvo V90 Impressions; BMW Top Luxury Brand In 2019; NACTOY Winner Predictions

January 10th, 2020 at 11:43am

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0:07 BMW Top Luxury Brand In 2019
0:42 FCA Effectively Funding Tesla’s German Factory
1:17 Tesla Has Higher Market Value Than GM & Ford Combined
1:54 NACTOY Winner Predictions
3:35 GM China Develops Capacitor-Assisted Battery
4:10 Toyota Introduces GR Yaris
5:07 Nissan Teases Skyline 400R Sprint Concept
5:24 Skoda Reveals Vision IN Sketches
5:58 Volvo V90 Impressions

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55 Comments to “AD #2748 – Volvo V90 Impressions; BMW Top Luxury Brand In 2019; NACTOY Winner Predictions”

  1. Tony Gray Says:

    Loved having a review. Keep em coming.

  2. NormT Says:

    You are better off with the outgoing Buick Regal TourX 2.0T with torque vectoring AWD for as low as middle $20′s than the V90.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    -did your producer tell Drew that he had to say “Sonata” for COTY?

    -you claim “Volvo is doing a great job with its product lineup”, yet the almighty consumer still has it at a 0.5-0.7% US new car sales market share.

    PS I really don’t think the Gladiator deserves any awards. It is hugely overpriced for what little it offers. As they say in TX, it’s “all hat and no cattle”.

    On the subject of those awards, Imagine if they had them in 1909, 1910 and 1911, and they were awarded to some Buick or Olds or even Chevy, while the car that should get them every year should have been, obviously, the Ford Model T, because it revolutionized ICE cars and made them affordable to the many.

    Now fast forward to 2018, 2019 and 2020, and you will see clearly why, If I got to decide, the winner would be, EVERY year, the Tesla Model 3, for the same reasons, just replace ICE with BEV.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    I like the vehicle review John gave, nice addition to the show. Reminds me of a condensed version of “Autoweek”. A Maryland public television program that does vehicle reviews and offers helpful maintenance tips with their Goss’s garage portion. Maybe Sean could do something similar.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d expect the Gladiator to win, just because it is “different.” It apparently works reasonably well, except for being crude and noisy, but the pricing is crazy. I certainly expect the Corvette to win. With the “utilities,” aren’t the Telluride and Palisade the same thing? I guess I need to visit the dealers sometime and see what they look like, though I’m not, and will never be shopping in that market.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 The Model 3 couldn’t win every year, because the rules allow only new, or substantially changed vehicles. From the NACTOY web site:

    “Early in the fall, the jurors consider all the new or substantially changed vehicles and pick approximately 10 eligible vehicles from each category (Car, Utility and Truck), for additional consideration in a test drive event.”

    As far as the Model 3, though, it never won, or made the final 3, maybe because the slow rollout made it impossible to know when, or what model year it entered the market. Maybe the Model Y will make it, but as a car or utility?

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 You meant “Motorweek” for the TV show. “Autoweek” is, or was a print/on-line magazine. Maybe it’s on-line only now.

  8. Drew Says:

    I can’t support the Gladiator for two reasons:

    1. Very over-priced (as other people have noted).
    2. Visible cost/function compromise (re-use of the Wrangler rear door); which leads me to wonder about other non-visible compromises.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Model 3 and NACTOY (Model year 2018)

    https://insideevs.com/news/335246/tesla-model-3-not-competing-for-north-american-car-of-the-year-award-update/

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 I don’t “support” the Gladiator, meaning I wouldn’t consider buying one, even if in the market for a pickup, but I expect it to win.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 You do know market share isn’t a direct indicator to a good quality car right? I mean the Tesla Model S had only 14,100 sales globally.
    Meanwhile Volvo XC-90 sold 35,760 in just the US
    XC-60 sales were 30,578, S60 was 17,526 in just the US alone. So although Tesla is killing it with the Model 3 sales for the S dropped from almost 30k in 2016 to not even half that in 2019. Does that mean its a crappy car? So market share or even sales do not always have a correlation to a good vehicle. The V90 is probably a great car and will struggle to sell because its a station wagon.

  12. Rickw Says:

    Larry D:
    I don’t think I’m the only one that’s very tired of your condescending remarks…….to every subject and everyone that makes a post.

    Doesn’t seem to matter the subject or the person. You now have to say something about the producer of this show.

    So tired of your B******T. Just go away, your nothing but a Troll and you add nothing to this comment section as far as I’m concerned.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    7 Yes you are correct Motorweek. Thanks!

    I would not vote for the Gladiator simply because to me its nothing more than the 4 door Wrangler 3rd and 4th generation that has been around since 2006 with a bed added and a longer wheelbase. Beyond that its nothing all that new. There has been a bed conversion (not sure if associated with Jeep) for years and I’ve seen a few at car shows, where they took a 4 door made it a 2 door with a bed. Nice opportunity for Jeep (FCA)to get back into the midsize truck market but in comparison to the competition Gladiator would be last. Has a nice cult following though and again points out that sales and market share doesn’t always reflect the quality of the vehicle.

  14. cwolf Says:

    I don’t think any of the 3 trucks are good choices compared to what is out there. I mean, who’s interested in a Ram Heavy Duty or a garbage Jeep? And the Ranger is nothing to write home about.

    The C8 is so deserving there should be no doubts!

    Volvo’s always had beautiful wagons, but never the less, the Chinese have partial ownership. That kills it for me, despite the great interiors and looks. I think I would like an older Merc. wagon better anyway.

  15. cwolf Says:

    Tesla is leaps and bounds ahead in technology, but the cars/SUV’s themselves are nothing outstanding. Others having better quality units is already showing good efforts to compete with Tesla where they exceed. Maybe the model Y will be considered along with the Mustang E in the future. (IMO)

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Gladiator sold 16,132 in the 3rd quarter, about half the number of Colorado, but more than twice as many as the much better Ridgeline (ok, better for the way most people use them). Yeah, all things Jeep have a cult following, for the Gladiator to sell that well, given the obscene pricing.

    I’ve liked the looks of some of those two door “custom” Wrangler pickups much better than the Gladiator, but since FCA wanted to make only one version, in today’s market, the 4 door was the way to go.

    14 Because the NACTOY “rules” allow only new, or substantially changed vehicles, those 3 trucks were about the only ones eligible.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 The V90 isn’t a whole lot cheaper than a new E-Class wagon. While I like wagons, both have major turn-offs to me. The Benz has mandatory 4WD in the US market, and the only engine in the Volvo is a turbo/SC 4.

    Both Volvo and Daimler have Chinese ownership, but Volvo is completely, or almost completely Chinese owned, while Daimler is only about 15%.

  18. cwolf Says:

    16) Because the NACTOY “rules” allow only new, or substantially changed vehicles, those 3 trucks were about the only ones eligible

    That’s my point; not one is worth while.

    I like the new Ridgeline much better than the Ranger or any of the rest. A bit over priced though.

    Hope everyone understands my reason for never buying a Chinese vehicle. It just goes against my grain! Too old to go against my morals I guess.

  19. Roger Says:

    While Tesla might have a higher market value on paper, which of those three companies do you think will still be around ten years from now? Tesla is famous for teeter tottering. Looks like they may go bust . . . then performing modestly well.

  20. merv Says:

    another great week of autoline,thanks

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Maybe they should re-combine pickups and SUV/CUVs, allow all vehicles, including ones that aren’t “new,” or just have a “light vehicle of the year,” maybe with a couple runners up. As it is, a truck that kind of sucks, like a refreshed, but still bad Titan, could win by default in a year or two.

  22. WineGeek Says:

    I just took delivery on a 2020 Subaru Outback Touring XT. It is so far ahead of the Volvo V90 that it is a laugh. The price is about 40% less and the dependability is 100% ahead of the latest Volvos. In addition it is quiet and solid on the road.

  23. Scott-in-Cleveland Says:

    This is what I think the winners will be:

    Telluride
    Gladiator
    Corvette

  24. cwolf Says:

    22) I saw a new Subie Outback the other day. I like the body style because it didn’t look overbearing. To me, it appears somewhere between an SUV and a wagon, if that makes sense.
    WineGeek, I’m glad you’re pleased,but from what I read the newer ones dependability has declined and had a reputation of not being all that quiet on the road. I hope you prove me wrong because I want to add it to my list. Keep us posted of any issues you have, including service.

  25. Bishop Says:

    #22 My son acquired an Outback too – last month and loves it. It really is a wagon with taller wheels. Instead of 14-15″ wheels that were prevalent during the period when wagons were popular – in the last century, adding just a little taller wheels – and voila!

    #24 According to what my son said, it is quieter than all of the SUVs that they tried and they already have taken a road trip in it.

  26. kelly Says:

    An observation – concerning your new set, I’m observing an ongoing camera focus issue. The backdrop is perfectly in focus but you gentlemen are not. On the former set, you were closer to the camera therefore much larger in the frame and focus was crystal clear. Now, you’re further from the camera, smaller in the frame, sitting very close to the backdrop which is full of interesting but distracting visual elements and the focus on you is degraded. Have you considered sitting closer to the camera, have the backdrop 3-4 feet behind you with clear focus on you and leaving the background a touch blurry. Just a suggestion. The content is great but this might help keep the focus on you more than the ancient Buick poster in the upper left corner of the screen.

  27. Larry D. Says:

    6 I said that if it was up to ME, the Model 3, just as the Model T, and for the same reason, would win every year. Of course if it was up to me, I would immediately scrap those ridiculous rules. The Model 3 did not even have ONE chance to compete because, as Sean told us here last year, “Tesla did not give them a car to test”. If this is not the lamest of the lame rules. Really? They should go rent one. Big deal.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I liked the Outback a lot better as a Legacy wagon, without the lift kit and plastic cladding, but it’s still closer to an actual wagon than most of what you can buy in the U.S. One thing I don’t understand, though, is the huge, oversize roof rails on some of them. Is that dependent on trim level, or did certain years have them? Some Outbacks have smaller, more normal looking roof rails.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 The article I linked in #9 seemed to indicate that Tesla didn’t provide a car to test, but everyone else did provide a test car. It sounds like the cars are provided by the manufacturers, rather than rented, purchased, etc. Is that the case, John Mc.? Maybe Tesla didn’t want to provide one, because of the crappy build quality and glitchy electronics of the early early Model 3s. 2018 model year is when the Model 3 would have been eligible.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    https://wardsintelligence.informa.com/WI964418/Tesla-Inaugurates-New-China-Plant-Announces-Model-Y-Production?NL=WAW-04&Issue=WAW-04_20200110_WAW-04_94&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_7

    From Ward’s Friday email. Tesla must have huge cost reductions in China, not only from mass production of the Mass Market 3 and Y, but also from the far lower labor costs than in CA or Berlin, AND also the far lower cost of Building the plant there.

    If University buildings are any indication, back in 2006 I was eyewitness in Shanghai Jiao Tong’s U (then) new Minhang Campus, a HUGE complex of hundreds of buildings for China’s no 2 (out of 10,000s) U, and the cost numbers to build a building there were ONE TENTH of the cost to build it here.

    Of course things have changed big time since then, Chinese wages have gone up, way up in % terms, but even if it is one tenth, maybe it is one fifth today.

    And one other thing, I mentioned this before and there were the usual naysayers, but it is more and more obvious:

    The Model S and X were just trial runs for the ALL IMPORTANT, Mass Market Model 3, which sells 10 times what the S or the X sell.

    Not only was it sound marketing strategy to FIRST sell the six figure BEVS to the most Fanatical Greenies and THEN bring out the mass market affordable 3 and Y,

    They also made their mistakes on a much smaller scale with the S and Y and learned from them so they will not make them at 10 times the cost in the 3 and Y.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    On another topic, does anybody living in SE MI know what the hell happened to all the DEER? I used to enjoy seeing them when I walked or drove to the office early every morning, and at other times. I have not seen one in months! Only a few squirrels, Canadian Geese (lots of them) and our Swans.

  32. cwo9lf Says:

    Larry, everyone knows you are a Tesla fanatic, but let’s give it a rest for awhile. You over do it and it has become obnoxious.

    Plenty of deer in SE Mich. Many friends had contact with them in their cars. So many “road kills” not many food banks want any more.
    Good turkey population too, but wish pheasants would increase. They are a rare bird these days.

  33. cwolf Says:

    Larry, please give all your Tesla comment a break for awhile; It’s starting to get obnoxious.

    Many deer in that area. So many that food banks don’t want any more road kill. Two of my old neighbors hit them with their cars over the month. I can’t accept any more deer meat either from them.
    Turkey population healthy also. I just wish pheasants would return to the numbers I remember.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    31 It never ceases to amaze me why US citizens are not THRILLED at the STELLAR successes of TESLA, the only WORLD-WIDE Successful AMERICAN auto company.

    I don’t know WHAT is “that area”, all of SE MI? In my town I have seen zero deer this winter and last year I saw a ton.

  35. cwolf Says:

    32) Tesla IS on a roll, but you keep rehashing the same boasts over and over and…..

    “that area” I’m talking about lies South of Ann Arbor to the Ohio line and west of Monroe towards Tecumseh.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I never see deer in Florida, but I see a few alligators, wild pigs, and armadillos. I usually see a few deer in the summer and fall in central Indiana. Luckily, I haven’t hit any with a car, but I’ve had a few close calls.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I saw more pheasants during a year in Scotland in 1970, than during the entire rest of my 73 years. They seemed to thrive in the woodsy, mostly cool environment.

  38. Bobby T Says:

    30, 3: Come to Green Oak Twp (north of Ann Arbor). I see as many as 12 deer in my yard at one time. They like acorns in the winter, and hostas (deer lettuce) in the summer.
    3: technicality, but there were no Chevys in 1911. They started about 1914.

  39. Larry D. Says:

    I’ve never hit any animal in my life, I came close one early morning when I was going up our Parkway (a divided road with a wide island) at 60 when the speed limit is 40, and there were two very small deer, they must have been only months old, and fortunately my brakes stopped the car about a foot in front of them. Squirrels are the hardest to avoid as they freeze confused and don’t keep going or going back.

    But when i was driving cross country in 2003 in my old Accord 5 speed at 80-85 in empty and poorly maintained highways going west, something hit my windshield and I never found out what it was, probably a small bird, the glass did not break, or a really big and fat bug?

  40. Larry D. Says:

    36 Same time last year there must have been 50-100 deer between my place and my office (1 mile apart if I walk, 1.5 if I drive), now there is none. Very surprising.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The animals I’ve hit, other than a few birds, were seemingly suicidal rabbits. Thew would run parallel to the road, and then just as I’d get within a few feet, would dart in front of my car, far too late for me to brake or swerve. This happened two or three times when I was in Scotland, on sparsely traveled, curvy roads, with trees lining the road side.

  42. JoeS Says:

    2, 14, 17 A month ago my wife replaced her ’09 Vibe GT with a ’19 Tourx. A very nice car with the mid-level option package out the door at just over $30k. She misses the 5-speed and the interior personal storage spaces the Vibe had. I’ve driven it a couple of times and find the 2.0T a little lazy off the line but picks up nicely once the turbo spools up. I have a fetish for wagons but would not consider the Chinese Volvo even if I wasn’t too cheep to ante up.

  43. Lambo2015 Says:

    32 I think most on this site are happy with Tesla’s success and want to see them continue to be successful, myself included. But this isn’t a Tesla forum and we don’t need a daily affirmation. I actually don’t expect or need to hear about Tesla again until they publish their 1st quarter sales from the China factory. Or until Musk pulls another publicity stunt like Cyber-truck. Yes they are doing great and have been a big part in changing the industry. Will it be as drastic as some think? I’m sure it will eventually, I just don’t expect it to be as quickly as many think. No doubt someday almost all cars will be BEV’s and we will look back and say Tesla was the leader. I just think that the day will be many years from now, and not like in 10 years.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40 The TourX is nice, but, unfortunately, it’s not “trucky” enough to sell in truck crazed America.

    Even for people who don’t care who owns the company, most Volvos cost too much, for what they are. The cheapest V90 is over $50K, MSRP.

  45. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    44) That is it exactly. Volvo charges luxury money for a car that is not really all that luxurious. It competes with buick in my view.

    I was hoping that the Tour-X would revive the station wagon market in the USA. It was a decent little wagon but had so many standard features that the pricing started too high for most families. They are a great used car value though!

  46. veh Says:

    My SIL was looking for a wagon about a year or so ago. I told her about the TourX–she lives in metro Chicago, but is from Detroit, and has a better than average amount of automotive knowledge–and she’d never heard of it. She ended up buying one and raves about it still.

    GM didn’t advertise them at all, except as part of the the Not A Buick ad campaign. If they’d done something to make the public aware of them, maybe push them as cars for those who don’t want to be part of the SUV/CUV herd, they’d have sold better.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46 I’ve always been a fan or wagons, especially when I drove long distances to model airplane contests. Now, in my older age, I have multiple cars, none a wagon,

    I always liked the TourX, except for the mandatory AWD in the US market. Of course, that’s just me. Having mandatory AWD seems to be working for Subaru. The fuel economy of TourX is mediocre, at least the EPA mileage. Still, I think it looks great, and it’s unfortunate that it didn’t sell.

    https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=41564&id=41494&id=41497&id=41569

  48. Larry D. Says:

    41 I have heard of ‘killer rabbit’ like the one Jimmy Carter hit over the head with the oar of his canoe back in the day, but not of suicidal ones. We still have lots of rabbits around here, they usually run as we approach them either on foot or driving our cars.

    When I was in my 1th floor apt in Shanghai last Nov, a bird about half the size of a pigeon hit the glass by mistake and fell on the balcony. It was rather stunned and did nothing for a while, did not even eat or drink the food I put on a plate for it and left it there, wanted to fly away but kept hitting glass surfaces until finally it succeeded.

  49. Larry D. Says:

    45 precicely. AND furthermore, Volvo charges a hell of a lot of $ for a 4-cylinder car with really poor reliability. No wonder it still can’t climb out of its 0.5%-0.7% market share hole it has dig for itself.

  50. Larry D. Says:

    47 Wouldn’t a prius V do the job of both the regular prius and the ancient (and very unsafe, not to mention very polluting) 31 year old Minivan, and have enough cargo space for your needs?

  51. Larry D. Says:

    OK Employee of the Month time:

    In a few mins Sean will announce that the COTY winners are:

    C8 (thank god they did not vote for the… Sonata!)

    Telluride (A Kia that is better value and looks better than its Hyundai twin that the journalists also included in the top 3), well deserved, and, inevitably,

    Gladiator, overpriced, poor interior, all hat, no cattle.

  52. Larry D. Says:

    44 While I don’t mind at all if VOlvos are made in China or Sweden, if they make them in CHina, they should have plenty of profit margin NOT to charge up to $90k for a 4-cylinder breadvan! Tesla has done this with the Shanghai made Model 3, it cut its already reasonable (for CHina) price so much, that it now undercuts the cheap Local BEV made by Chinese companies.

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    50 Yep, the V would work for what I use my van for, If it had a trailer hitch, but I don’t want to buy another newer car. I drive the van only a few hundred miles a year, and am not too worried about the safety. After all, I ride motorcycles. Actually, it’s kind of fun having that van, because it is very rare to see one of those first generation vans in perfect condition like mine.

  54. Larry D. Says:

    48 that was 11th, not.. 1th floor apartment.

    53 how many mg CO2 does it emit? I bet you could have retired it under the Cash for Clunkers Obama scheme and made a few bucks.

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    54 I wouldn’t want to “retire” any 20-some year old vehicle in near perfect condition under that program. That was for rusted out, worn out vehicles that ran, but barely, and that is what I saw turned in at dealers in my area.