AD #2768 – Toyota Corolla Hybrid Impressions; Hinrichs Forced Out of Ford; Chrysler Pacifica Refreshed

February 7th, 2020 at 11:49am

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0:07 Hinrichs Forced Out of Ford
0:47 EV Startup NIO Fighting to Survive
1:43 Detroit 3 Workers Earn Good Profit Sharing Checks
2:10 Automotive Hall of Fame Reveals New Inductees
2:57 NHTSA Approves Nuro’s AV Delivery Pods
4:13 Chrysler Pacifica Updates
5:01 Mercedes Reveals Pop-Up Camper Van
5:42 Kia Cadenza Refreshed
6:16 Volkswagen Unveils New Atlas
7:13 Will Fuel Cell Vehicles Ever Catch On?
9:37 Toyota Corolla Hybrid Impressions

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42 Comments to “AD #2768 – Toyota Corolla Hybrid Impressions; Hinrichs Forced Out of Ford; Chrysler Pacifica Refreshed”

  1. George Ricci Says:


    If I remember correctly, a couple of years ago you thought Jim Farley would be the next Ford CEO instead of James Hackett!

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Corolla hybrid is, basically, a more “normal” looking, but less utilitarian Prius. They share the same powertrain, and are similar size and weight.

  3. WineGeek Says:

    That Atlas continues to be butt ugly!

  4. Larry D. Says:

    A. Ford. If Farley replaces Hackett, it will be a similar ‘improvement’ as when Hackett replaced Marc Fields. Good luck to Ford… it will sure need it, with such (lack of) leadership.

    B. If I ever needed a minivan, I’d not waste my time with the losers and get the best, the Honda Odyssey. The Sienna is nice too, but not as good.

    C. Hall of Fame. I applaud Jay Leno’s selection, that woman designer may have also accomplished something, but the HYUNDAI Ceo??? why the hell is this character induced in the Hall of Fame? I assume, for the Guiness World record of the most failed attempts to sell a Hyundai-Kia luxury car, NONE of which (about 15 of them) ever succeeded. Good work, fat cat from Hyundai!

    D. Speaking of the Koreans, “Kia Kadenza”? or Cadenza, who cares? What the hell is that? Did it sell more than 10 units last year? My point exactly, too many LOSER Models instead of, like the Marines, A FEW GOOD ONES that they can sell at a good price AND make a good profit!

    E. Corolla Hybrid. At $22k, the price is indeed right. Too bad the dog is no longer eating the Hybrid Dogfood.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Finally Fords board sees that Hackett is not the man for the job. Hopefully Farley can turn things around.

    Nuro’s delivery pods seem like a great option for apps like Uber eats and the many grocery store delivery services.

    Pacifica front end looks like the old Chrysler 200 front end.

    MB camper van; they may not have eluded to a price but based off current offerings they run about $100k

  6. cwolf Says:

    I found the seating in the Corolla more comfortable than the Prius.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    6 The interior of the Corolla hybrid is really poor, esp those white plastics should hurt the eye (the Volt has them too). But then, those who buy it could care less about the luxuries in life, they prefer to spend their time marveling about the great MPG they are getting (even tho nobody should care, given the dirt-cheap gas prices in the USA).

  8. George Ricci Says:

    The only way fuel cell vehicles will ever catch on is if someone can develop a much more efficient way to make hydrogen. It would take a new process that would use a third of the energy needed today.

    To make enough hydrogen to fill the fuel tanks of the Honda and Toyota fuel cell cars it takes 250 KWh of electricity, which will take you 330 highway miles. Or you can take that 250 KWh and charge an electric car 3 or 4 times and go over 1000 mile. Now you know why Elon Musk create a car company called Tesla and not Hydro!

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I think both the old, and new Pacifica looks pretty good, and except for maybe reliability, it’s the best minivan out there. Also, the hybrid, even if never plugged in, gets substantially better mpg than the competition.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    9 it most certainly is not. And it does not even look good, it looks rather lame. And “except for reliability”? what else is there in this segment? AND the interiors are lousy, I’ve been in them.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4, D. The Cadenza is Kia’s competition of Toyota Avalon. A friend has one, bought used at a very good price, and likes it. It’s quick, quiet, and comfortable, and has been reliable. Knowing what he paid for his 3 year old used one, it would be a very bad car to buy new, with its fast depreciation.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    I saw the comment about the Atlas and allegedly how ugly it is, and I went to the video and saw the brief segment it shows it.

    It’s not ugly at all, it looks just like any other large SUV on the outside, BUT the interior was FAR BETTER than your average drab grey and fake silver plastic SUV interior.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 It has a practical, functional interior, and is priced right if not over-equipped. FYI, the Odyssey didn’t do so well in CR’s reliability survey either.

    Maybe the one with the “lousy” interior was the Dodge Caravan clone Voyager. That is different from the Pacifica.

  14. Max Says:

    I’m with #5 …… the new Pacifica front end looks like the old Chrysler 200. BORING!

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Exactly. I do not understand why anyone is even considering fuel cells for road vehicles. Unless a way comes to pass to dissociate water by osmosis or something, using little energy, it makes no sense.

  16. cwolf Says:

    I don’t see what is ironic, if meant in a funny or strange way, for the auto workers to choose to strike in effort to maintain an average wage package over an extra $2000 profit sharing. I just thought the comment itself lacked forethought.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    10 The Pacifica is far better looking than the goofy looking Odyssey or Sienna. The Odyssey with its drop in style line behind the rear doors is just weird. That’s one ugly looking van. The Sienna has that lower grill that could swallow a Prius. I haven’t ridden in either one but from exterior looks alone the Pacifica wins hands down. IMO

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 I guess they could make it less boring, with a Lexus-like spindle nose or something. Maybe that would help minivan sales, or not. It might be worth trying something new.

  19. cwolf Says:

    On and off, I’ve been reading up on the production of hydrogen. It may not be realistic for many years to come but technology is rapidly advancing while seeking new and more affordable methods. Utilizing solar and salt water are just two areas being explored. If large profits can be had, someone will find a way.

  20. cwolf Says:

    17). Totally agree! I think the ride is a bit better in the Odyssey but the huge dash and windshield is a killer.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Styling is not a Toyota strong point. My Camry has that big lower grill, kind of like the Sienna, and definitely not why I bought the car.

  22. Roger Blose Says:

    Farley is a real car guy and that is is the first step to fixing Ford. He is the driving force behind adding the Mustang name to the Mach E so it better make a splash or he is out. Buddy Hackett has got to his package and leave ASAP. Good news overall!

  23. GM Veteran Says:

    16 – Don’t forget about the six weeks of pay and benefits (except healthcare) that those workers gave up. They ended up with a pretty good new contract, but I wonder how it would pencil out if they had taken the last offer before they went on strike, did not then give up the six weeks of pay and the reduction in their profit sharing. Of course, they got a signing bonus but would have gotten that anyway. I bet the net increase in their overall pay is far less than one might initially think. The real winners were the Ford and FCA workers!

  24. GM Veteran Says:

    4C – I am sure the reason Mr. Chung is being inducted is because he oversaw the transformation of a small, domestic automaker in South Korea building poor quality products into the fifth largest international automaker that builds good quality vehicles with attractive styling. And that is only a fraction of the overall business empire named Hyundai. It is one of the largest and most successful companies in the world.

  25. Roger T Says:

    I wonder if the Pacifica tail lamp is a sign that FCA is trying to blend Chrysler and Dodge, baby step to merge the two.

  26. merv Says:

    I like the idea of Jay Leno getting inducted, I think he deserves it.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 I like Jay’s shows. I think my favorite was with his Stanley Steamer. That was interesting. No wonder steam cars didn’t do too well, with the 10-15 minute warm up time before you could get moving.

  28. ChuckGrenci Says:

    For any Formula 1 Haas fans; the first inklings of 2020. Here’s a link (a little dry in my opinion, but some news just the same). Hoping for a better year for Haas.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 I was surprised that Haas kept both drivers, the way they kept taking each other out, but there was a lot more wrong that that. Presumably things will get better. I look forward to F1 in 2021, with major rules changes that should mix things up. I hope Mercedes doesn’t quit as a constructor, so we can see how they’d do with the changes.

  30. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I too will patiently wait for 2021, however, I certainly don’t want to call a ‘wash’ to 2020 (we’re both not getting any younger) :D Looking at the video, it didn’t seem that when Mag and Gro were together there wasn’t ever much of a smile or comradery between them, so yes, it may not bode well for the team if they remain together. I will be excited to see whether the Ferarri’esk copy will be competitive against the others this upcoming season (but it’s got to be better than last). Haas, last year, eked out a few points and threw away probably treble of the should have gotten (achieved).

  31. Bob Wilson Says:

    If you want to sell hybrids and plugin hybrids, let loose all the power at low speeds. There is more than enough power to bring the tires to the edge of ‘smoke’ up to 45-50 mph. Instead the control laws make the Prius a gutless speed bump. How do I know?

    Use any commonly available track apps and you’ll see they limit low speed power to ‘pedal’ car values.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I suspect a Prius has all of the low speed acceleration it can, with the engine and MGs it has. I think they should offer a “performance” Prius with the Camry hybrid powertrain, if it would fit. It has about 70% more m
    Power than a Prius, and from my experience, gets very close to Prius mpg, even in the bigger, less aerodynamic car.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    32 Wrong. Bigger, longer cars are MORE aerodynamic than smaller ones (shorter). They have an even lower CD because of the much smoother flow.

    This is why the Tesla S is more aerodyn than the Prius with all its non-functional sheetmetal twists and turns (we saw later that the Honda Hybrids and even the IoniQ can get just as good MPG with no weird styling)

    In addition the Tesla S has a smooth underbody (as all BEVs), no aero-damaging crap like all these exhaust pipes and mufflers.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    Great video to explain the biggest struggle for EVs. The one thing he doesn’t take into consideration is that a gas engine is not 100% efficient so the values are a bit skewed but even with that taken into account you can see the huge problem with batteries.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Wrong. Aerodynamically shaped cars are more aerodynamic than cars that are “just styled,” like a Camry, and narrower cars with skinnier tires, even having the same CD, have lower drag, because they have less frontal area..

    The Tesla S may have a slightly lower CD than a Prius, .24 vs .25, but being 8 inches wider, and the same height as a Prius, it is going to have about 10% more drag.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    “All BEVs are equal, but some are more equal than the others”

    The comparison test of the year. C&D tests the Taycan “Turbo” S vs the Tesla Model S.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    35 I am 100% correct in what I wrote. GO read the test of the original Tesla S by your Car and Driver, written by the great Czaba Czere.

    ALWAYS the longer vehicle, if they have the same cross section against the wind, WILL have a SUPERIOR CD.

    This is why the Model S, being much longer than the Prius, also had a much lower cd than the allegedly ‘scientifically designed’ prius with all those twists and turns that we later found out they did not really matter, they were largely for show, to make the Prius look different than more vanilla Hybrids like the IoniQ or the Hondas.

    PS Enjoy the C&T test of the Taycan “Turbo” S vs the Tesla S Performance. David beats Goliath, and in this case it’s an 8 year old David and a brand new Goliath that costs $85,000 MORE than the David. Absolute ROUT of the Porsche by the aging Model S. Tesla can do nothing wrong these days…

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    37 So you’re saying that an 80 inch wide, 50 inch high, 250 inch long box will have less drag than an 80 inch wide, 50 inch high, 220 inch long airfoil shape? I rather doubt it.

    Yeah, much of the shape of the current Prius is not for aerodynamics, but the car still has a lower CD than most cars.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If everything else is more-or-less equal, yeah, longer vehicles tend to have lower Cd, but everything else isn’t equal. According to this, the Mercedes A-Class has the lowest Cd of any production car, and it is a 17 inches shorter than a Tesla S.

  40. Larry D. Says:

    38 NO, YOU, NOT ME, are saying that.

    I will try one last time.

    Compare the aerodynamics of these simple objects.

    1. A Smooth sphere, say radius is 2 feet.

    2. Cut the shpere in half and add cylindrical sections in the middle, say 2, 4, or 6 feet long (options 2, 3 and 4)

    I am saying Option 4 will be far more aerodynamic than Option 3, 3 more than 2, and 2 more than 1.

    Clear now?

  41. Larry D. Says:

    39 well, DUH, of course if other things are not equal. BEVs also benefit from having smooth undersides, as I mentioned already, no ICE car can compete with all that gear they have below the floor, mufflers, tailpipes etc, which no BEV needs to have and ruin the flow.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 Duh You said in your earlier posts that longer equals lower CD, period. You don’t seem to even know what coefficient of drag means.