AD #2791 – New York Auto Show Postponed; Tesla Will Make Cybertruck in Central USA; New Elantra Styling Breakdown

March 11th, 2020 at 12:26pm

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Runtime: 8:59

0:07 New York Auto Show Postponed
0:41 Musk Tweets Cybertruck Will be Made in Central USA
1:29 Hyundai Teases New Elantra Ahead of Debut
2:56 Mercedes Updates the Vito Van
4:06 How GM Will Cut EV Manufacturing Costs
5:23 BMW Drops i8 From Its Lineup
6:37 SEAT a Big Part of Spain’s Economy
7:16 The Convoluted Story of Marelli’s Ownership

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48 Comments to “AD #2791 – New York Auto Show Postponed; Tesla Will Make Cybertruck in Central USA; New Elantra Styling Breakdown”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I wondered “why,” with the i8 from when it was first introduced. It’s a very expensive plug-in hybrid with not much electric range, 17 miles, a noisy hopped up turbo triple, and a very mediocre 27 mpg combined when running on gas. It’s nice looking, but what an absurd powertrain for a ~$150K car.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    John I could really see this canceling of shows to be a sign of things to come. It could be a huge cost avoidance to automakers not having to attend the multiple auto-shows with all the shipping, elaborate booths, paid models, printed literature and renting space. Plus they can take 100% of the spotlight if they debut a new model online and promote the reveal Like Tesla did with the cybertruck. They can also reveal a new model whenever they are ready and not having to wait for the next big auto-show sharing the spotlight with other manufacturers.
    The latest virus concerns might have started a lasting trend.

  3. MJB Says:

    I saw a Merc Vito van just this morning. Not impressed in the least by its looks. Just wondering why this vehicle looks SO DARN BLAND. The grille is the only thing it has going for itself.

    Is it meant for the commercial market? Because for commuter use I’d never pick a Vito over a Pacifica…

  4. MJB Says:

    #2 – Good point, Lambo2015. Not to mention, can you imagine what’s going to happen if the automakers who were not able to display at these shows see no discernible difference in sales as a result?

    Many of them may just decide not to spend the money on future shows…

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    1 Kit my thoughts exactly! The i8 is a very attractive looking car but it seems BMW dropped the ball when it came to powertrain. A turbo triple in a $150k car. Right there is your reason for failure. Its like they told design studio they wanted to build a supercar but told their chassis group it was a fuel miser with some amount of electrification. Seems mis-mashed.

  6. Scott-in-Cleveland Says:

    We’ll see if they cancel the NAIAS or Woodward Dream Cruise this year…

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    On-line intros, with a few in-house spectators seem to work well, as with the C8 Corvette and Cybertruck.

    Just think of all the money that could be saved if sports events were done that way. Just play football games in a high school stadium with 2000 seats and televise them. There is no need for all of the multibillion dollar stadiums that are usually torn down after 25 years. When the current ones are torn down, there is no need to replace them.

  8. ChuckGrenci Says:

    In addition to saving money on reveals at auto shows, manufacturers can and already have upped their presence at reveal events and driver’s experiences. Perhaps that is money better spent.

  9. John McElroy Says:

    #2. Lambo, you’re right as far as the media days of auto shows go. Automakers can get plenty of media coverage without an auto show.

    But what about the public? All the major shows attract hundreds of thousands of people who are typically going to buy a new car within a year and they use auto shows to help them decide what to buy.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Some events for a robot competition I’m involved with are being cancelled. In the US, several events in the pacific northwest, northeast, and CA bay area are cancelled or postponed. The events in China have been postponed. We have an event in Orlando this weekend, and team leaders have been asked to check everyone’s temperature before they go.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    9 John it would be interesting to know if there is any data on the amount of folks that actually use an auto-show to help determine the next vehicle they buy. Is there anything that equates show presence into sales?
    Because I would think a show might help a consumer narrow their search but since almost all vehicles have three or more trim packages its unlikely the exact vehicle would be at the show. Which leads them back to the dealership anyway for a final evaluation and sales paperwork.
    With many new features like virtual cameras that can give you a full 360 degree view inside the cabin and being able to flip through the color pallet instantly I could just see consumers being able to narrow their search online rather than an auto-show.
    I only ever attended to see the concept vehicles anyway but if the data supports the use of shows I’d be surprised.

  12. JoeS Says:

    11 I went to the auto show before I purchased my Silverado to see if the Colorado would fit my 75lb lab. The back seat was in the way in both the crew and extended cab. I guess I could have gone to a dealer for that but it made for an enjoyable evening out.

  13. MJB Says:

    @11, 12

    Either way, this ‘forced fast’ should help inform automakers of the real impact auto shows have on their bottom line.

    The truest measure, of course, would be one full year’s absence from auto shows. Not just the hand full of shows missed due to this preposterously overblown Coronavirus scare.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The last auto show I went to was NYC in 2013. I went as part of a “tourist” trip to the city. I was disappointed, in that I expected to see most of the exotics and the ultra luxury cars like Rolls-Royce, at least to look at, but not to sit in, but few were there. There was a Terrafugia, the “flying car” of the time, which was interesting to see.

    I’ve gone to the Indianapolis show a few times. It sometimes had current concept cars, but was mainly a place to various new cars without going to all of the dealers.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    13 The problem with a years worth of auto-shows being missed is the corresponding sales slump would be muddied by the virus itself. If sales drop is it due to no shows or people not going out car shopping?

  16. Jonathan Says:

    Cyber truck made I ntexas us a cool idea ..the exoskeleton as described in autoline after hours should not take a lot of space to produce…

    Huge hit amongst men…women probably won’t go for angular design early in.

    Eventually the women will love exoskelotan shape for it’s undentable structure.

    Great show guys…

    GM will get 2 ev plants up to speed and run at 98percent efficiency. Big profits

    Thanks guys!

  17. merv Says:

    Vancouver International Auto Show is celebrating its 1OOTH anniversary and its on Mar 25-29.

  18. John McElroy Says:

    #11. Lambo, Foresight Research says it documented a noticeable drop in buying intent in Southeast Michigan for the car brands that dropped out of the Detroit auto show last year.

  19. Brian Says:

    2. I don’t think that auto shows are near term investments for the OEMs. It is about brand recognition etc. Think about concept cars, these things are not for sale – no one can buy them, but they let the OEMs gauge the response of the public to different design ideas, build interest/halo in a brand.

    Online might be a better way to go, but an auto show is not just an extended commercial. I am also not sure how much coverage the reveal of the next gen . . . Civic or Equinox or not-corvette/Mustang will generate.

  20. cwolf Says:

    In Detroit, they may as well call it the SUV and Truck Show. That’s all the Detroit 3 make! It’s much more relaxing just wait until the new models arrive at the dealer.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Don’t most of the Asian and European companies still go to the Detroit show? If so, there should be some cars, beyond the 9 or 10 the Detroit 3 have.

  22. cwolf Says:

    I became interested in the downfall of Packard after upholstering a couple cars for the detroit museum. After a quick review, I noticed Tesla ( the car manufacturer) may be making several of the same blunders when viewed from a broader perspective. Quality, management and manufacturing problems are fore-front. Tesla rapid expansion without profits are not as easy to see, yet for them to rely on emissions credits and greedy investor capital on an over valued product does better relate.
    Because of the market adjustment, Tesla has its tit in the ringer and we will soon see just what the future holds for them. Others are no longer that far behind!

  23. cwolf Says:

    Kit, I may be wrong, but I don’t think Detroit is the ideal place to show Asian cars nor believe European buyers will feel the need or desire to attend the auto show for a car a wife has to have or a business person to show how affluent they are.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Yeah, probably true.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 My father was a young adult during the 1930s, and he talked about the days when Packard was equal to, or maybe a notch above Cadillac. Packard made war materials, including Rolls-Royce Merlin engines during WW II, but they never made a successful transition back to car production after the war. I’ve seen old Packards in museums, and at local shows when I was younger. The ’50s brought a sad in to a company that made some classic cars earlier.

  26. cwolf Says:

    Packard purchase of Studebaker was the straw that broke the camels back. With thoughts of buying a company making lower priced cars to compete with Ford, GM and others, they only found out they were only burdened with more debt. Packard should have stayed with making higher quality cars. I can tell you from experience that Packard interiors were top notch, not only in materials but in construction as well. Even their lower priced cars at the time, like the Zepher? (Not sure any more) was better than most all of them. Great cars!

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 The Studebaker/Packard merger didn’t help. Also, Packard’s making their own “Ultramatic” transmission didn’t help; they would have been better off to buy Hydra-Matic, or maybe Borg-Warner automatics. Also, their 1949 and later styling was not too great. The last year or two of Packards were just Studebakers with a little extra chrome, a sad end to a great marque of the ’30s.

  28. Rector Says:

    Thanks for another great daily program. You guys are awesome.

  29. cwolf Says:

    27) yeah, during that time of management confusion, Packard knew the best way to keep reputation was to keep everything in house. Unfortunately, after the war the expertise of the workforce was no longer was what it once was. The option was to hire outside suppliers and also was a cost cutting measure to become competitive. The tranny you mention was one of the things they should have adopted and used successfully by Ford and GM.
    Isn’t hind sight and automotive history a wonderful thing to keep us car guys more interested each and every day!

  30. Larry D. Says:

    A. Tesla Cybertruck: While the Model 3 has been a HUMONGOUS success and the Model Y I bet the farm will do even better, the Cybertruck is a big departure, too unconventional styling, I don’t think it will sell the 200,000 a year or more that the 3 or the Y have already sold or will be selling. But I was never in the pickup market and know little about the segment.

    B. The Elantra LOOKS better than the old one, but I doubt if it will feel any better when you open the tinny doors, close them and start its meager engine. I rented an Elantra for a whole week in Jan 2016 (never wanted to, had to) an almost new model with few miles, and it was not a satisfying experience. Cars should do better than just start when you insert the key. And never mind about its dismal passive AND active safety. You do NOT want to have an accident in an Elantra. Trust me.

    C. I have used the Mercedes van as a passenger van last summer and I wrote a glowing review here. If we had the BEV version available, it could have met all our needs without recharging in the middle of the trip (which was a 2 hour one way affair, plus local driving) for a committee that evaluated a Mech and Aero department in a U back in the old country.

    D. GM cost cutting in making its next BEV. will all be pie in the sky. I will believe it when I see it. And cost cutting is not the solution, if it does not have a COMPELLING PRODUCT in the BEV area, NOT just an “OK” one, it cannot fight the Model 3 or Y. AND, for the first time ever, GM will need to price it AS LOW AS ITS ICE siblings, especially since, like Tesla, GM, due to 10 years of VOLT, not BOLT, sales, has no tax credits left!

    E. Speaking of losermobiles, the i8. At least, unlike the failed Bolt, this one did look good, but who cares? There are other losers in this segment, the Polestar, the Acura NSX 2.0 version, and others, and they are alive only as money-losing ‘halo’ cars, and I must say their halo is real DIM.

    And these are my two , er, five, cents.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 The “overblown” covid-19 has at least 10 times the mortality rate of the flu. I don’t think it’s overblown.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    Re the changes due to the virus. I just got an email from our Dean, cancelling all classes – lectures until the end of the semester, and converting them, starting Monday 16, to remote teaching. Many other events are being cancelled with far greater consequences. The NBA season for one, no spectators, huge $ losses to some, other losses to the ancillary businesses, such as restaurants close to campuses or ball game stadiums (stadia should be more correct) etc. The US economy, through ABSOLUTELY NO FAULT of this Administration, will take a hit, and I hope voters are NOT so terminally dumb as to elect either of the total bozos running for the Dem nomination.

    The strangest thing was today, after a terrible day in the stock market, which, when it happens, my stock mutual funds in my 401k go way down, BUT my Municipal bond funds have a healthy increase, yesterday they BOTH went down. Analyze that! If you hold on to your cash reserves, in a month or two, there will be great buying opportunities. Just don’t buy… Ford. I’d not touch GM or FCA either, but that’s me.

    On a related issue, for many years, decades in fact, I was protesting the (99% unnecessary) business travel. In Europe, where academics have meager salaries, and in some nations pitiful ones, unnecessary travel to go to silly conferences was a good way for these impoverished academics to supplement their meager income. A colleague there called a particularly egregious bunch of cheaters “the travel club”. The travel $ was provided usually from EU funds, stolen from the EU taxpayers.

    I always thought that with today’s technologies, email, skype, teleconferencing IF needed, academics and researchers all over the planet can cooperate and discuss their work for FREE and NOT waste time on lengthy flights, packed like cattle in the economy section.

    And because I get to review dozens of research proposals, half of these for a good fee, ( those from overseas usually), I always check the budgets and recommend cuts in those frivolous areas.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30. E.

    I, for one, am glad that that cars you consider “losers” like NSX, R-8, TT, and even the ancient GT-R, exist. They are rare, but occasionally seeing these low volume “halo cars” is a breath of fresh air with all of the trucks and lifted wagons dominating the automotive landscape.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 Yeah, the crash of the economy is not the direct fault of the administration, but the fool-in-chief didn’t halp things by calling the coronavirus the Democrats’ “new hoax,” and ignoring the need for testing for weeks. Then, why the travel ban for Europeans, except from the UK and Ireland? Oh well.

    My investment account, consisting of a mix of mutual funds, bond funds, and a few individual muni bonds is down, but not down nearly as big of percentage as the market indices.

  35. cwolf Says:

    If you have stock investments that took a big hit, it’s too late to pull out. Just don’t look at the market for six months or you will give yourself ulcers.

    Why is the U.K. exempt when there are many other countries with fewer cases? Reports noted this is where Trump resorts are; Got to keep his investments prosperous, don’t ya know!

  36. Larry D. Says:

    Various posts trying to compare packard and Tesla. CLueless to the extreme.

    Packard was a 100% LUXURY maker that was the US equivalent of ROLLS ROYCE in the 30s. It petered off in the 50s.

    TESLA is, whether cwolf and the other deniers hate it or not, the ONLY ONE and MASSIVELY successful BEV company in the PLANET, which STARTED with expensive HIGH TECH (not traditional luxury) cars and SUvs and SUCESSFULLY became the FIRST and ONLY BEV maker to sell 1,000,000 MASS MARKET Model 3s, with the only exception (perhaps) of CHinese makers who sell locally, mostly to fleets, and nobody has heard of their names.

    I was thinking how the hell Tesla was able to sell all these Model S and Xs from 2012 to 2016, when battery costs then were MUCH more expensive than today, and even more expensive than the $100 GM (Barra) claims they will soon reach. If it was me, I would WAIT a COUPLE years before I put the Model S out for sale. Too expensive to make BACK THEN, but sure NOT now.

    Yesterday I saw the Road and Track review of the $ 210,000+ Porsche Taycan So called Turbo S (LOL). They praised its handling etc, but they CORRECTLY pointed out that Porsche selected the wrong GOALS to meet with this vehicle, and failed miserably in the areas it SHOULD have much higher goals.

    Specifically, while this vehicle (whose front end STILL looks very poor to me with these drooping headlights) has a HUGE 100 KWH (or 95+) battery, it has a DISMALLY, Embarrassingly PUNY Range of less than 200 Miles! A TEsla with 100 KWH should easily get DOUBLE that. In addition, its MPGE are pifitul, while the Model 3 gets 141 and the aging model S gets 111 or 95 with the Performance version.

    you can go read the whole story at R&T.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    Re the coronavirus, the over-reaction from the sissies on Wall Street was pitiful.

    Huge Over-reaction, as the virus has RECEDED in its worst location, CHina, where it came from, and within a month or two will also fizzle out everywhere else.

    I really did not know that the common flu killed so many every year (without the sissies on Wall street to complain at all about it!), 20,000 minimum and up to 37,000!

    How many will this coronavirus kill? MUCH less than that. Even in china, where they had over 80,000 cases, only 2-3,000 were killed. I bet the FLU kills 100,000 in China every year.

    AND I bet NONE of the victims was a HEALTHY human, but most were very elderly and/or had serious preexisting conditions.

    COnclusion, the overreaction of the markets is not only 100% uncalled for, it is truly PATHETIC.

  38. Lambo2015 Says:

    Seems as though the general public is not being told the whole story when it comes to Covid19. There is a reason they are reacting to what appears to be a common flu with such caution. The true reason might be exposed soon enough. When it is you will understand the reason for the precautions that are being taken now.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 Packard’s competition in the 1930s was Cadillac. if Rolls-Royce was also their competition, Rolls was much more “down market” than now.

    https://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1935/Packard/1201/2-Door-Coupe-2-To-4-Passenger/Values

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    and https://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/1935/Cadillac/355E-20/2-Door-Coupe/Values

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    37 China basically “locked down” the worse hit areas, which helped the virus recede there. It remains to be seen what happens in the US, and elsewhere. We all certainly hope it quickly recedes here.

    The number of people the coronavirus will kill depends on how many get effected. Indications, so far, is that it has more than ten times the mortality rate of common flu, so if a lot of people get infected, it could kill many more people than the flu.

  42. cwolf Says:

    Larry, when are you going to learn putting any faith in Trumps words is disastrous. The average death rate for the flu is .1%. This new virus death rate is ten times that rate!
    The Coronavirus is also different from the flu in that no immunities exist in us because it is new and different.
    Try listening to Real medical experts instead of that idiot you support. And you say the market is over reacting to this epidemic……NUTS!!!!

  43. cwolf Says:

    Larry, you don’t know squat about Packard either!

  44. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Our current percentage deathrate is approx. .03% in the US calculated from the last numbers I’ve seen. 1200 cases, 30 deaths. I’m not making light of the deaths but certainly the old (of which I’m one) and/or patients with pre-existing condition are spiking percentages. Proper precautions should be followed but let’s not get ahead of ourselves and panic. Pragmatic safeguards need to be followed, with caution, and I think we will make it out of this predicament less scathed than some of the dire fear mongers are saying.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 With countries like Italy shutting down almost completely, and events being cancelled, including one I was attending this weekend, I think it is serious. We’ll certainly know a lot more within a few weeks.

  46. Lambo2015 Says:

    44 Part of the problem is lots of people do not know the difference from bacteria and a virus. Things like Lysol and hand sanitizer do nothing to kill a virus. So protecting yourself the correct way is also key.

  47. Brett Cammack Says:

    Some people only care about bad things happening if it happens to them. Me, I’m very, very concerned about my 77 year-old wife with COPD if she contracts it. I also have sufficient empathy to be concerned about everyone else that is at-risk to this virus.

  48. Bobby T Says:

    I’ve been a member of both Motor City Packards and The Packard Club for nearly 50 years, and I’ve owned and driven several over the years. There are many theories about what caused their demise, but my conclusion is that it was a series of management blunders, complicated by market conditions that they could not control, that led to their downfall. Far too much to discuss in detail here.