AD #2795 – Honda CR-V Hybrid Impressions; VW To Pay More Diesel Fines; Continental’s 3D Display

March 17th, 2020 at 12:03pm

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0:07 Happy St. Paddy’s Day
0:33 GM, Ford, FCA, Tesla Keep U.S. Plants Running
1:31 Automakers Offer Sales Incentives
1:54 Tesla Likely to Weather Storm Better Than Others
2:35 VW To Pay More Diesel Fines
3:33 Continental’s 3D Display
4:32 Hella Designs One Headlamp for The World
5:14 Ford Unveils Hybrid Kuga
6:15 Honda Goes Hog Wild with Hybrids
7:46 Honda Puts Designers on The Shop Floor

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49 Comments to “AD #2795 – Honda CR-V Hybrid Impressions; VW To Pay More Diesel Fines; Continental’s 3D Display”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    John, shouldn’t Corvette also be lumped with Tesla as being able to weather the storm (from the viral crisis); those Corvettes are also mostly sold.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The car companies need to end overtime, yesterday, so they can keep running longer before inventories are over 100 days for most models, and the layoffs begin.

    Sales will be down, way down, as people have less money to spend, and we retirees have less wealth. Also, I wouldn’t have much confidence in the future for the economy, with the horrible debt we will have, as big as the deficits and debt already were before this current crisis.

    1 Yeah, Corvette production should be able to run flat out for the foreseeable future, as long as the parts keep coming.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m surprised Bowling Green isn’t running overtime, unless they don’t have enough parts to build cars on overtime.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    1 Was thinking the same thing. Also I have a vehicle that I will replace in a couple months when the lease is up and I will be going to the dealership as normal assuming its open and I’m not restricted from doing so.

    Honda putting designers on the floor is just another example of where the unions hurt the traditional auto-manufacturers. UAW workers would be more concerned about an engineer or designer working on the floor than the long term affect of the valuable knowledge they could gain. Not only should Honda put them on the floor for at least 3 months but they should be in repair as removing some parts like an oil filter shouldn’t require dismantling anything. Replacing a headlamp bulb shouldn’t require removing the front bumper cover. Etc..
    Installing is just as important as servicing some parts and a proper design can make a world of difference.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    I think Honda is also on the right track pursuing hybrids. Until battery technology and price come down I think the BEVs are going to struggle to become mainstream. I’ve hated the idea of a hybrid as it just seems like a waste to have dual powertrains with dual fuels but if it can be done economically then it makes more sense than buying a BEV that only accomplishes part of my needs. I suppose its no different than a fishing boat with its gas powered outboard and its electric trolling motor.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Hybrids are great, no compromise vehicles. I’ve had three of them, including my current Camry hybrid. I’d like a Camry hybrid wagon or hatchback, but most of the time, the sedan is fine.
    I replaced a Prius with the Camry, because the latter is quieter, more comfortable, and quicker, but gets almost the same mpg.

    It surprises me how many people still don’t even know what a hybrid it, thinking you plug in a regular Prius or Camry hybrid. I still have to explain that you just put gas in it and drive, only it uses about half as much gas in stop and go driving as a similar size and performance non-hybrid.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    I heard an expert predict that China will resume activity too soon only to have the disease rebound. I guess we will see.

  8. Clarence Zahrobsky Says:

    when i started my tool and die maker apprenticeship in 1952 i wondered who the guys were with a white shirts and a machinist aprons. they were newly hired engineers learning how the stuff they were to design was made in the shops.

  9. Kate McLeod Says:

    I asked someone at one of the auto companies about keeping the lines moving at the factories. The response was that it was adhering to the COVID-19 guidelines. How can that be when the idiot orange man’s babysitters just told him to have everyone eliminate gatherings of 10 people or more? And I am quite stunned that the auto companies are not taking the health of their workers more seriously. Anyone?

  10. cwolf Says:

    Kit, have you reached the break even point from your hybrids?

  11. XA351GT Says:

    #4 Cars are designed for ease of assembly and lower wage per car costs. They really don’t care once it’s sold. Dealerships like the complexity as it discourages backyard mechanics and increases their billable shop time per vehicle. If those engineers are on the floor it is for one reason to reduce assembly time.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    11 Sad but true. Ease of assembly affects their bottom line directly where the service ease is not their problem. However to their consumer it impacts cost of ownership so they should care.
    Sadly not all engineers are mechanically inclined when it comes to assembly or service. They are more concerned with the hitting cost and timing targets and that the parts pass all the required testing. Something that could be managed by anyone with good organizational skills.

  13. John McElroy Says:

    #1. Chuck, you’re right, most of those C8s already have owners.

    #9. Kate, I’m guessing automakers know they’re going to have to shut down soon, and are trying to get as many cars in the pipeline as possible. They’re trying to mitigate what’s undoubtedly going to be a financial disaster.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 There was no direct non-hybrid competition for the 2010 Prius, but against maybe the closest I can think of, like Matrix/VIbe, I probably came out a little ahead over 7 years.

    With the Camry, I’ll never break even, unless gas prices go up substantially. I don’t care, though. I just like the way the Toyota hybrid powertrain works in its smooth, seamless way, with no clutches, nothing but gears in the transmission.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    9&13 Most of the workers on an assembly line could maintain the 6 feet distance from each other that has been recommended. Although some operations require a team of two or more and you cant help but point out the obvious which is you have multiple vehicles moving through the plant being touched by almost everyone at some point or another. The vehicles become the community petri dish.

  16. Brett Cammack Says:

    It would seem to me that the improving battery technology would make the PHEV more attractive by offering greater EV range for little or no more money.

    If PHEVs could get up to, say, 50-80 miles on battery it would be much more appealing to buyers.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    16 Not really! take for instance the Toyota line up.
    Prius Prime PHEV – $27,750 base price
    Prius Base Hybrid- $24,325 base price
    Corolla Gas only – $19,600 base price

    Even on Toyota’s web site they estimate yearly fuel saving of the PHEV over a gas car at $561 per year. (probably before it was at $2 a gallon) meaning you break even after 14.5 years. with a base price difference of $8,150.
    So with the added complexity cost and weight I don’t see where even a PHEV makes sense.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 The Prius Prime, with its limited electric-only range, and very limited performance without the gas engine running wouldn’t be something I’d buy, assuming the $3435 price difference between the Prime and regular Prius is for comparably equipped cars.

    As far as Corolla, the one that would be most comparable to a Prius would be the hatchback, which starts at $20,290 MSRP, with a manual transmission, or $21,390 with an automatic. Using the EPA site, it looks like the regular Prius would have a break-even of about 10 years with a base Corolla hatch with CVT. Their calculations are based on $2.12 gas. The break-even would be about never for the Prime. At today’s gas prices, you don’t buy a hybrid, especially a plug-in hybrid, to save money.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=42093&id=41915&id=41489

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    Some of us drive 20,000 mile per year, not the sedentary 12,000 mile the EPA and hybrid skeptics use. We make out like bandits. Now if someone only drives 6,000 miles a year like the little old one looking through their steering wheel, MPG doesn’t matter.

    I am not resentful of those with different requirements. But I don’t care for those who use math ignorance to make inaccurate claims.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 The EPA uses 15,000 miles for their calculations on fueleconomy.gov.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=42093&id=41915&id=41489&id=41416

  21. cwolf Says:

    Tesla has started to deliver the model Y , but what is so special about it that the 3 doesn’t have?
    They have the same batteries and motors, yet for only 5-6” of extra height the Y weighs about 350 # more..
    Plus the Model Y is not tow rated….crazy huh?
    But the worst thing about the Y is the terrible load rating of 950# which is actually less than the 3! Heck, a big dog, 4 adults and your wife’s purse exceeds the limit!
    Maybe changes will be made, but as of now it is not worth $75K and the 3 does almost as good at half the price

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Is the Y going to be that much more expensive than the 3, comparably equipped?

    The advantage of the Y is that it’s a liftback, which may, or may not matter to a specific buyer.

  23. cwolf Says:

    I don’t know where I came up with $75K? That’s pretty high. I know the car starts a out$40K. Still, I bet that number is that far off for a loaded one. We’ll see

  24. Larry D. Says:

    A. Plants on overtime. CORRECT decision, you need to build the inventories in anticipation of further restrictions in the short term.

    B. COnvenient terms, also correct, and should go to no payments for 6 months. In fact, they may be able to attract some marginal credit cases (brands like Hyundai-Kia)

    C. C8s have been to the dealers here for a while and they have sold all their allocations until 2021. My local dealer, as I reported before, had 3 in the lot already sold, and had sold all his 29 for 2020 already, of course.

    D. The 3d display is entertaining. That SUV or whatever is priced to sell and I expect it to outsell the meager, pitiful sales of all 3 Genesis sedans combined. And if you are optimistic, maybe it will attract some buyers, who, for some weird reason, want a car that handles like a 70s Buick, to look at those sedans, and maybe one of them will buy one.

    E. Honda goes back to its traditional strength, Fuel Efficiency. The pressure from the stellar RAV4 hybrid sales had a lot to do with it, I bet. It should soon unveil a PLUG-IN CR-V, and hopefully gas prices will not be dirt-cheap when it does.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    22 You expect c wolf to know? LOL.

    You forgot Musk said the CROSSOVER Model Y ( hence why it will sell more than ALL Tesla models combined, including the Stellar Successful Model 3), because it is 10% bigger than the 3, will be priced 10% more than the 3. Still a screaming bargain compared to ANY OTHER EQUIVALENT BEV. ANd if this gives Cwolf a mild stroke, so be it.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    9 I know this hit-and-run poster never engages in any discussion, but I will say this about her vulgar and out of place post:

    “THOSE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES”

    Which means, in her case, since Blithering Idiot, fake hair, ill fitting dentures, clinically SENILE Joe Biden, has clinched the Dem nomination, she would be WISE not to utter the word “idiot” about ANY BODY ELSE.

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 Nothing special about the Y. Its just another EV that has luxury car pricing that doesn’t pay for its fuel saving for about 10 to 15 years.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.autonews.com/video/autonews-now-uaw-sets-deadline-d3-virus-engulfs-industry?utm_source=antv-autonews-now&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200317&utm_content=hero-image

    Deliveries of the Model Y, which were supposed to start in September 2020 or later, ARE ALREADY HAPPENING, 6 months ahead of schedule.

    Cry me a river, cwolf.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

    CV update this morning. While the US still has only 100 deaths, and vast China of the 1.5 billion people barely has more than 3,000, tiny ITALY with its 60 million (1/5th of the US population) already has over 2,500 deaths, and it seems it will soon surpass even CHINA, with its very slow-growing 3,122 deaths.

    it is amazing that EUROPE, of the oh-so-great “Free” health care for all, instead of the hellholes in the 3rd and 4th world nations, is currently the WORST area on the planet for this pandemic. Inquiring minds would like to know why. Don’t ask Cwolf, Kit.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The cheapest Model Y is now $52,990, plus shipping and handlings, etc.

    https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#battery

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 Unlike in the U.S., and especially the “3rd world” countries, Italy has adequate testing to know who actually has the disease, so the infections and deaths are assigned accordingly. Yeah, they apparently waited far too long before doing anything with testing, or reducing social interaction.

  32. JoeS Says:

    29 Any information that comes out of China must be taken with a grain of salt.

  33. cwolf Says:

    Uh hem…, Larry, the sheriff ordered the Tesla Fremont plant closed and other plants are being closed, too. Seems like Kate’s post is more valid than ALL of yours by far!

    This pandemic has nothing to do with free health care. The problem lies in people like you who do not take this problem seriously or call it what it is….ignorance!!

  34. Larry D. Says:

    30 Your link shows a “long range” Model Y version for $46,990.

    Is the currently cheapest available Model Y also the cheapest one that will eventually be available? Tesla is well known for (correctly) selling the more expensive versions first.

    Anyway, $52k is not bad at all for what you get. AND the comparison here is not only with far more expensive European Rivals, (Audi, Jag)

    but also with the almost twice as expensive Model X, which did extremely well in sales for a six-figure car, and even I did not believe it would do so well.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    33 Yeah, right. Like I will ever take you seriously.

    You asked Kit if he “broke even” with any of his hybrids. What a loaded and idiotic question. DId you anticipate that he’d tell you he did? I bet not. AND if he told you he did not, would this make you happy that you have not bought one yet? WHy don’t you ask yourself instead if YOU broke even with your FAKE LINCOLN that is a thinly disguised FORD with identical mechanicals? How much did you pay more for the ‘snob appeal’ so you can claim you own a ‘luxury’ (yeah, right) car? $10,000? $20,000?

    a Toyota Hybrid and a NON-Hybrid of the same size are NOT the same cars. You are comparing APPLES TO ORANGES as usual. Why don’t you work some more on your mythological “$20,000, 200 MPGE” BEV that allegedly your wife wants? You did not specify its range. 600 miles OK? Remember that the TESLA Roadster 2.0 has already 620. And should it include a driver and a valet too?

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 The link doesn’t work right to show actual purchase price. It shows price with the “include potential savings” BS. Use the link, and then click “Purchase Price” near the upper right hand corner.

  37. cwolf Says:

    Oh Larry, where are you? Seems like others disagree with you and are calling you out!
    You remind me of a “plunger”; all you do is bring up more meaningless $hit.

    I just sold our Ford Edge to the neighbor, but we really made good use of it. In the Spring, it could haul 35 bags of mulch with no problem. I bet the model Y couldn’t haul more than 12-15 bags without exceeding the load limit. And it has no towing capacity! So how is one supposed to use this Wonderful EV?

  38. cwolf Says:

    My wife’s comment was nothing more than her expression of the concerns about buying an EV, just like most people. Her mpge comment reflects her lack of knowledge about EVs ,but her message of not wanting one regardless of how far it can go speaks for itself.

    I bought the Lincoln because I liked it and not snob appeal. Any car buy is a losing proposition unless you have a desirable classic. Even restoring my MG cost more than it’s present value, but it’s worth it to me and deserving to keep these cars for posterity.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tesla and the sheriff:

    https://twitter.com/ACSOSheriffs/status/1240062681635123201?s=20

  40. Rector Says:

    John and Crew,

    I am so relieved that there’s no interruption in the Autoline programming! I need you guys to keep me entertained with great automotive information! Kudos to everyone at Autoline and be safe.

  41. cwolf Says:

    There is one person who, more or less, has called my wife a “Bozo” for not having an interest in cars, yet how stupid is she?
    She was a director/ senior project manager for pharmaceutical companies in new product development testing before retiring. She just got a call asking her if she would help guide the program for getting vaccine approval.
    This is just one example of just how serious this virus is. She is just one of thousands trying to do their part.

  42. Lambo2015 Says:

    38 Buying a Ford for Snob appeal coming from the guy whos drives a Mercedes Benz. If that isn’t the apodeme of hypocrisy I don’t know what is.

  43. Lambo2015 Says:

    41 My wife also works in the medical field and although doesn’t have an interest in cars like I do, she can appreciate something fun to drive and used to own a Challenger R/T.
    I own a Cadillac but not for any sort of status or appeal other than to me. I have worked in the automotive industry my whole life and my livelihood is directly affected by US car production. I’ve watched the CTS run down the assembly line in Lansing and I have been very happy with my car. So I will probably always buy American. Not for the patriotic duty as much as just seems to make sense to support the industry that directly affects my paycheck.
    Just seems like common sense to me. You cant keep buying imported stuff and then wonder why we don’t have any good jobs in the US.

  44. cwolf Says:

    Lambo, seems like we have several things in common, for I too have worked many years in the auto industry. I bet we made the wheel bearings your plant used. I feel the same way you do about not buying foreign, as well.
    Do you remember the days when those who bought a brand other than the one you worked for you had to park a country mile away from the entrance. Then loyalty mattered.

  45. Lambo2015 Says:

    Oh I remember and it wasn’t that long ago. I’ve mostly worked for suppliers and the one in particular that I worked over 14 years for doesn’t have company cars. We always get a rental which typically end up being imports. I would catch a lot of crap driving into the plants especially back in 08. I had to tell Enterprise that they needed to make sure to send me something from at least the main 3 in Detroit or there was a good chance the car would come back damaged. They did their best to give me something domestic.

  46. Wayne Says:

    44) cwolf, where do/did you work if you don’t mind me asking? Before retiring, I worked for Schaeffler/FAG for many years. We produced automotive wheel and water pump bearings as well as pulley and tensioner systems. Unfortunately, production of which has been mostly moved to Mexico.
    45) A supervisor once had to visit a Ford plant in the Detroit area but was given a Chrysler product as a rental. At the plant, she was “told” where to park from which the vehicle was subsequently towed while she was visiting. So even sticking with the big 3 can result in some pettiness.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46 It sounds like Ford was a lot worse than GM, at least at some locations. I worked for GM at Delco Electronics, in Kokomo, IN, and it was generally ok to park any “big three” vehicles in the open parking areas. I suspect middle managers with reserved parking spots might suffer career setbacks if they parked non-GM cars in their reserved spots.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Ford, GM, and Chrysler to shut down U.S. production.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1240323016963362816?s=19