AD #2905 – Ford Helps Make Self-Parking Cars; Lucid Air Impressively Efficient; BMW’s Diamond-Coated Motorcycle Chain

August 27th, 2020 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 10:05

0:07 Ford Helps Develop Self-Parking Vehicles
1:05 AV Shuttles Getting UV Lights
1:31 Porsche Panamera Updated
4:09 Lucid Air Impressively Efficient
5:15 BMW’s Diamond-Coated Motorcycle Chain
6:10 Ford Creates the Ultimate Virtual Race Car
7:11 Kia Stinger Updated
8:01 Kia Adds PHEV to Sorento Lineup in Europe
8:42 Peugeot Electrifies Its Boxer Van

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44 Comments to “AD #2905 – Ford Helps Make Self-Parking Cars; Lucid Air Impressively Efficient; BMW’s Diamond-Coated Motorcycle Chain”


    Takes about 30 seconds to kill COVID-19 via high powered UV-C light exposure. Should work. The only thing would be to insure that nobody is in the vehicle or that the UV-C cannot filter out to anyone around the vehicle. It is not cool to play fast and loose with cancer causing UV-C light.

  2. Dale Leonard Says:

    Hey Sean, Please say that term three times fast for me. I like the sound myself.

  3. Joe C. Says:

    I wish I had a diamond coated chain on my motorcycle. Hopefully you don’t need to lube it as frequently or maybe not at all.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean: Any word on the longevity of that new BMW chain? I can understand what they did making lubrication no longer needed but I don’t see how that fixed chain stretch. I have to believe the chain would still need adjustments to account for stretch.

    So the self parking cars can help parking structures pack in 20% more cars. They gonna help me pay for that technology. From a buyers perspective not sure I would pay for this feature.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    I did notice that Kia doesn’t have the standard Kia badge on the Stinger. Probably a good move on their part. Decent looking car and separating it from Kia should help.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Do the diamond coated chains come with diamond coated sprockets? Don’t you still need to lubricate the chain, lest the sprockets wear out in about a thousand miles?

  7. Kevin A Says:

    I like the Lucid Air look, but am not a big fan of EV startups. Maybe they should offer a Lincoln model through Ford dealerships?

  8. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Dale – I don’t think I could say that 3-times fast, but it would probably be fun for other people to watch.

  9. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Joe C – BMW claims no lube at all.

  10. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo – I’m not sure of the service life, BMW doesn’t say, but there’s got to be a point where it needs to be replaced. In automotive that’s usually 10-12 years, but not sure for motorcycles.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9. Hmm… The diamond coating must be like teflon, when in contact with steel sprockets.

  12. JoeS Says:

    Lamborghini, I think chain stretch is actually the wear between the pins and bushings that lengthens the pitch.

  13. JoeS Says:

    12 Sorry, autocorrect

  14. Albemarle Says:

    When we parked in the middle of European cities in their spiral underground car parks, it was already pretty impossible to get out of the car. I can’t imagine parking closer together than that, particularly at the speed Europeans like to drive when parking.

  15. wmb Says:

    It makes much more since, IMHO, for autonomous vehicles to start with self parking in parking garages (and maybe even parking lots?). His way the risk to physical harm to humans is lower and it would away them to more gradually build and grow to over the road driving.

    The Lucid Air is nice and it shows that higher range is possible. As I understand, it’s foot print is a hair smaller then the Model S. Yet with 500+ miles of arrange, it comes close or even beyond that of an ICE vehicle. Add to that, most most feul their ICE vehicle once a week, with the Lucid’s arrange, most owners could do the came, even if it took 8-10 hours over night! A midsize CUV with that kind of arrange and an a asking price between $30-50K, may be the honey spot for the average consumers to take the leap to BEV’s.

  16. ArtG Says:

    5.Kia removed the emblem for 2020 and replaced it with just a “Stinger” script on the rear. Yeah, probably a smart marketing move.

  17. ArtG Says:

    14. The whole point of the segment was that the car parks itself autonomously. No human intervention required. Therefore, space for getting in and out is irrelevant.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 Thanks Joe. I just assumed it was the stretching of the individual links. My bike is shaft driven and I like it a lot over a chain. Which I have had in the past. Its not as dirty, cause even getting caught in the rain it will fling water ever-where, much quieter, and don’t ever have to worry about a shoelace or anything getting caught in a shaft drive. So even with this improvement of not needing lube Id still take shaft drive.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    16 What is the “E” on the hood emblem represent?

  20. Larry D. Says:

    Sean, you compare this utterly unknown Lucid (who is its sugardaddy, BTW?) with the mass market Model 3 which starts at 37k. Do you have any idea what this Lucid will sell for, and if it is close to that 37k, how many tens of thousands of $ will these amateurs lose per unit?

    PS I really could care less about this silly, DOA Polestar. I am sick and tired hearing about it, but I will break my tradition and make a prediction. Polestar will not be long-lived. I know CHinese Geely, VOlvo’s owner, has deep pockets, but at some point their ego will be overruled by their brains. The chinese are not dumb, you know.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    OK, here are some interesting facts about LUCID.

    Founded 2007; 13 years ago (really? what had it been doing all these years?)
    Founder Bernard Tse (Atieva)
    Sam Weng (Atieva)

    WHat the hell is this “Atieva”? The founders sound like they both are Chinese or CHinese Americans. I had a colleague at Stanford called EDISOn Tse, btw. WOnder if he is Bernard’s dad.

    Headquarters Newark, California
    Key people
    Peter Rawlinson, CEO, CTO
    Derek Jenkins, VP of Design

    And now for the interesting bit. Ironically, they are owned by dirty fossil onetime world’s biggest oil producers (now they are far behing the current no 1, the USA!), the Saudis!
    Owner Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia (67%)[1][2]
    Website LucidMotors

  22. Larry D. Says:

    I would bet that the Lucid car, which your own link proclaims a true luxury car, and with a 118 KWH battery, will go for at least TWICE the Model 3′s base price, and the comparison with the Model 3 is inappropriate.

    You should compare it to the Model S.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20. Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia owns 67% of Lucid.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    Oh, and BTW, this Lucid ‘car’ is just a CONCEPT. Do you know if it will ever be made? When? in 2025? And you think Almighty Tesla, who updates their models virtually all the time, will stand still and wait for it doing nothing? LOL.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    23 I cited this in 21. from wikipedia.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    Hilarious, some here are desperately clinging to their ICE and try to find reasons (usually imaginary) to badmouth them, yet the biggest FOssil Queen of all, the Saudis (while they currently produce much less oil than the USA does, it is their no 1 product in their economy by far), are putting billions on an EV ‘upstart’ of 13 years and counting.


    20) The comparison to the model 3 is because that is TESLA’s most efficient model and the Lucid Air is more efficient than that.

    TESLA has only been profitable for 6 months out of 17 years and you heap tons of praise on TESLA…daily. Are you really going to complain about another start up that may or may not be profitable based solely on your imagination of what their business plan is? Really?

    The Lucid Air is supposed to start at $62K which puts it clearly in the Model S category. With longer range and a better interior then the Model S. Competition is coming for TESLA and it is an exciting time if you are a BEV fan.

    24) As a TESLA fan did you seriously question a company sticking to a production date? That is completely laughable.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    20 Larry, Sean mentioned the model 3 in comparison to the Lucid on range alone not that it is in direct competition other than they are both BEVs. However I find it interesting your quick to compare them in price then in a post 10 minutes later say they should not and as everyone here already understood it should be compared to the Model S.
    Actually with so few BEVs out there, almost each one is a stand alone and really hard to compare with others. Finding two that fall into similar category of range, size, cost and performance is tough.
    BTW Tesla was founded in 2003 and didn’t sell the model S until 2012 so 9 years. Its tough industry to get into.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    27 The comparison is apples and oranges totally. TESLA first of all updates the performance, range and efficiency of its models all the time. This CONCEPT (not a real car) from Lucid has a 113 KWH battery, which is at the upper end of even the Model S. It has nothing in common with the mass market 3, and especially its price and units sold, when and if it ever is made. Most likely it will be a small volume competitor to the also small volume Model S. Not the kind of model that has already sold a Million units, like the Model 3- Y.

    28 seriously? If you believe that this Chinese-Saudi venture that has been around for 13 years will reverse history and… beat Tesla, maybe you should ask them to invest your meager savings in them. I would sure NOT invest mine.

    The comparison of TESLA, the DOminant BEV maker(by far) with this aging *13 years!) upstart is 100% RIDICULOUS.

    PS did you hear Musk is now worth 96 BILL $ US and still going higher? FInd how many arab NAtions (the entire nations) have a GDP which is higher than that. Juat for the fun of it in case Joe, Cwolf and Ziggy sees it.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21,23,25. Yes, I was looking it up while you were typing, and my post showed up 5 minutes after yours.


    29) It remains that the Lucid air has 4.6 miles per KWH and the Model 3(the most efficient TESLA) is 4.1 miles per KWH. Spin it how you like, but the Lucid air is more efficient than TESLA. But since you want to compare it to the Model S lets do that. The model S is 4.02 Miles per KWH. Thereby the Lucid Air is more efficient then it’s direct competitor the Model S. Maybe Tesla will offer an update, Maybe they won’t. We can only talk about what things are today and not some baseless hypothetical future that you created in your head.

    Also…who cares if the Saudis are backing Lucid? There was a time when Elon Musk touted very publicly that the Saudis were going to back TESLA and they could go private. It kicked off an entire SEC investigation that nearly kicked Elon Musk out of his company. I remember you defending Elon Musk then. How convenient for you to forget, but Pepperidge farm remembers.

  32. cwolf Says:

    Hearing stories about all that is coming lies along the lines that the end of the world is near…..; how many times have we heard that?
    The news about Lucid distance is what….. known for a month? How many times does someone have to chew a bone before getting something with meat on it!
    But besides the many comparisons to provide clarity’, there is always the one person unable to grasp its intent, then dispute it either out of ego or just plain ignorance.
    Like the other idiot says, “It is what it is!”

  33. Drew Says:

    @27 – I recall Tesla’s profits are not operating profits, but the result of the sales of a government construct — CO2 credits.

  34. Drew Says:

    I hope Lucid’s pursuit of industry-leading cruising range doesn’t sacrifice battery life/durability.

  35. Larry Skellion Says:

    All electric trucks and hauling type vans (not conversion type) should have a range statement including weight limit loaded range. That would give commercial users a real world expectation of capability. What’s the point of buying a commercial vehicle if it’s loaded range is 1/3 of its empty stated range.

  36. Larry Skellion Says:

    Kit (11) as sort of stated in (12) the real wear is at the internal pins. The outer sleeves initial contact with the sprocket is minimal compared to the internal load on the pins. But that is only true until you have chain stretch. Then the outer race scrapes exponentially harder as it expands. So if this transdermalthermonucleardiamond coating eliminates stretch… lol, you’re good for a long long time.

  37. cwolf Says:

    Tesla has the upper hand but not in Europe. For he month of July, Renault is king with over 9000 units sold compared to Tesla’s 1000. There are many EVs to choose from, yet Tesla didn’t even make it in the top 10.
    No, this doesn’t mean Tesla’s rein is over in Europe but offers insight of what may transpire in the near future.

  38. cwolf Says:

    L Skellion (36)
    From my own experiences repairing chains, I agree pin wear was the problem most of the time. Any lubricant only delays pin wear and actually increases wear when it becomes contaminated. Even with this coating, it cannot overcome the elements over time.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36,38 Makes sense. If the chain hasn’t “stretched,” and the geometry is as it should be, there should be no sliding of the chain on thr sprockets, just rolling.

  40. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I found a price for the “M” chain @286 Euros and with the complete chain set at 425E, so what’s that, about $300/450. The link also mentioned an up charge of 100 if ordering as an option on a new bike (I think I’d stay with the shaft). Also mentioned was other chains for other bikes pending.

  41. Lambo2015 Says:

    40 I wonder what shaft drive cost. If this chain is only a $100 option shaft drive probably is more. I’m not sure if there are any bikes out there with chain drive and shaft as an option so kind of hard to decipher what that cost is.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 BMW doesn’t have a chain vs shaft drive “option.” They have a bunch of different models, some shaft drive and some chain. Then, they have the “C” series scooters, that probably have a belt.

  43. Lambo2015 Says:

    I did find this article stating the advantages/differences from Chain, belt and shaft drive. Main take away is chains only have about a 1-4% loss in power, Belts lose about 9-15% and shafts lose 20-25% of the power. My bike is 1832cc so the power loss isn’t a big deal it still has plenty. I also like being able to remove the rear wheel like a car with just 5 lugs no alignment needed. Being that it is the most expensive drive with the highest power loss I’m surprised how many mopeds and scooters use them. I know back in the 80s I had a Suzuki 50cc with shaft drive and the price was on par with other mopeds at the time.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43. Most recent scooters, from 50cc, up to my 600cc SilverWing, use belt CVTs similar to snowmobiles. I remember some shaft drive mopeds, and Lambretta scooters from 50 or more years ago, but if any recent scooters or small motor bikes use shaft drive, it is very rare.

    Your link didn’t mention the “smooth” belt drive used for the CVTs in the scooters, but I suspect it has a lot of power loss.