AD #2908 – Honda Odyssey Impressions; Audi Updates the Q2; Could China Become a Big Pickup Market?

September 1st, 2020 at 11:41am

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Runtime: 9:52

0:07 U.S. Traffic Fatalities Up
0:42 Ford Cuts 1,000 White Collar Jobs
1:10 Could China Become a Big Pickup Market?
2:31 Mercedes To Build New GLS In At Least 4 Countries
3:13 Lucid Explains Why It’s Launching with A Sedan
4:02 Audi Updates the Q2 Crossover
5:13 2021 Honda Odyssey Impressions

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49 Comments to “AD #2908 – Honda Odyssey Impressions; Audi Updates the Q2; Could China Become a Big Pickup Market?”


    The rear door opening on the Honda seems like a cost cutting move. Don’t bother with sensors to detect overhead obstacles which would then stop the door from hitting them. Simply don’t allow the door to open all the way and let the user decide if they want to open it further.

  2. Norm T Says:

    Consumer Reports says the Honda Odyessey is the mjnivan to avoid due to reliability and lower ownership satisfaction.


    Ford only announced the cuts in the USA. They did not announce that those jobs were replaced by a person in a low cost country. Ford isn’t the first to figure out that if your Job can be done from home, it can be done from anywhere in the world.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Traffic fatalities up? That seems hard to believe and from my personal experience around where I live, people that were out driving seem to be in no hurry to get anywhere. It really seemed like people slowed down even with the lighter traffic. But I didn’t do much highway driving and I suppose many of the typical congested highways where you couldn’t normally speed might have seen a increase in speed and hence fatalities. I deeper dive into that data would be interesting.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like Chrysler still has the best minivans, the only ones with 2nd and 3rd row seats that fold into the floor.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Last evening, I drove by the scene of a nasty looking crash, with an upside down car. It seems most likely that someone ran a red light, causing the crash. Are people less conscientious about their driving these days?

  7. bradley cross Says:

    Maybe FCA/Supplier has the patent for 2nd row minivan seats folding into floor soother makes wont do it.

    With less traffic on roads, folks can likely drive faster. Especially if stuck at home and then get some freedom on the road.

    I hope Lucid is successful. Ironically Tesla or Toyota could buy them just for their Technology, once proven.

  8. Steven Slebioda Says:

    Is the Honda Odyssey tailgate lift height programmable ? Maybe yours was set too low? Just seems odd for Honda to have it only open to that height.

  9. Steven Slebioda Says:

    Is the Honda Odyssey tailgate lift height programmable ? Maybe yours was set too low? Just seems odd for Honda to have it only open to that height.

  10. Rey Says:

    Ford cutting off the deadwood, Tesla is hiring, i much doubt punch clock timecard pushers are welcome, however if you’re willing to go by Elons hours of work you can apply, it helps to be able too think out of the box too, at T3sla ,many are call3d, but few are chosen, but those who do are richly rewarded, and by that i mean the best forward thinking company in the world with the best stock options.

  11. Chris Orchard Says:

    My CR-V has an adjustment for power hatch opening height to allow for garage height etc. I’m sure the Odyssey must have the same. Demo probably previously set by a short person or someone with a low garage door. I’m 6’ and can stand underneath when I have it set for my garage.

  12. wmb Says:

    Where I live, it seems that with less traffic on the roads, some have given into their little speed demon. The number of vehicular donuts, burn-outs and other types of reckless driving, have sky rocketed! So it’s not surprising that accidents are on the rise too.

    IMHO, I think Lucid is using the Air as a standard bearer, but doesn’t plan to sell too many of the them. Much like the S-Class, this vehicle is to show the world what they are all about. I think having an SUV first, it’s weight, range and price may have been the headline. With the sedan first, not only will it be a closer comparable to the Tesla Model S, but we will see home much or how little the SUV gives up to the sedan in in those same three areas.

  13. Ken Says:

    Wonder if the ’21 Odyssey has a programable rear hatch, where you can set how high up it goes? Might be in a ‘Default’ lower height position.

  14. Ken Says:

    While the Kia Sedona ranks lower in sales volume I would say it is by far the best looking of all the currently available minivans.

  15. merv Says:

    excellent show,thanks

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12. I never liked the weird up and down shape along the side of the last several years of Odyssey, but it’s probably the best driving current minivan. Unless my ’89 Caravan has a major problem, I’m unlikely to buy another minivan, but if I did, it would probably be the “new” Voyager, a de-contented Pacifica with a base MSRP of ~$27K, a bargain in today’s market.

  17. GM Veteran Says:

    Seriously? A consulting firm is saying they have definitive knowledge of when new factories will be starting production of new models SIX years from now? That’s hard to swallow. And, perhaps Mercedes Benz needs to review corporate security if plans that far out are leaking to the press.

  18. cwolf Says:

    There have been a lot more bad accidents around my area. Many have occurred at the many road construction sites that began mo this ago. I believe they are a major contributor.

  19. cwolf Says:

    My neighbor is interested in buying a 3 row suv with few options and leather seats. They are not into vans.
    I’d like to hear your recommendations. It will be mostly used around town. Their long trips are only 3-4 times a year and average 500 miles one way.
    Anxious to see how many recommendations agree with mine.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 I’d recommend a van, but if they’ve gotta have an SUV, to be more fashionable, probably a Kia or Hyundai, Telluride or Palisade.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …or maybe the Subaru, whatever the 3 row one ia called.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 I think it’s Ascent

  23. Larry D. Says:

    17 From your description, they sure do not need an SUV, not even a crossover, but I guess crossovers are the new wagons, so they can get a Subaru like everybody else, or a Honda CR-V. If they do lots of suburban miles they could consider the Hybrid ones.

    4 I was also surprised by the results, I would expect accidents and fatalities to go down, but because the MILES driven plummeted, maybe the fatalities PER MILE driven, NOT the absolute numbers, went up. In the early days of CV the streets were empty, but I had no urge to drive fast as before the CV.

    Here in the old country it;s the same story, everybody drives 50% above the speed limit (=60km on the old coastal road), and even then there is always some jerk in a much weaker car than the one I drive who wants to go even faster and tailgates me. In the past there were references here to jerks driving BMWs, of all cars, but yesterday morning it was a chubby new Merc small SUV GLC with an even smaller engine (a 2.0 vs my 3.0 Diesel) who was on my back. I accelerated like a Saturn V rocket *a thing you can do only with the diesel or a much more powerful AMG gas version) to teach the stupid, annoying punk a lesson. In fact, there are a ton of Mercs in this relative affluent summer resort, but they are usually much smaller than an E class.

  24. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean: please check out this video on adjusting the rear hatch of the Odyssey. Its for a 2018 but I bet its the same for the 2021.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    I Don’t mind the styling of the Odyssey, but this one, both inside and outside, was like a 30s movie, they have not discovered color yet. They should call all these lame colorless vans “FIFTY SHADES OF GRAY”. Still, if yiou are sentenced to drive a minivsn, the Odyssey is by far the best choice, and if not, get a TOyota Sienna and at least have a reliable wagon. I’d not touch the cheap, unreliable Chrysler vans with their uncomfortable seats. And if you mention your 80s Caravan, we rented one of these in Houston and I had to sit in the middle row, and it was SHEER TORTURE, no leg room at all. no room of any kind either.

  26. GM Veteran Says:

    17, skip the CRV (it only has two rows), and check out a gently used Chevy Suburban or GMC Yukon XL. They ride great, mileage isn’t too bad considering their size, and they will be able to tote around the whole family and luggage or sports gear in comfort. If they find a mid-level trim, they can have the seats redone with a Katzkin leather package and enjoy their family vehicle. We had two of these when I grew up and they were just the ticket for our family of four kids plus a St. Bernard.

  27. cwolf Says:

    Thanks for the replies.
    I only ask why them?
    They have a Highlander in mind and I though the Ford Explorer would also work for them.
    These folks do need 3 rows. Every day it will be filled with kids going to swimming practice and all the gear, plus busses school kids home who stay over for extra classes and school sports. They give their vehicles a good workout almost every day.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21. By “accelerating like a Saturn V,” do you mean the cloud of of kerosene smoke when you floor it?

    23. In CR’s reliability survey, the now-discontinued Grand Caravan is more reliable than the Odyssey. The Sienna is the only mnivan with reliability as good as “above average.”

    Yeah, the short versions of ’80s Caravan/Voyager with 3 rows were lacking in leg room. The long one, which arrived in 1987, was much better.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25. The Highlander is a good vehicle. The hybrid gets very good gas mileage for a vehicle like that, but can get pricey. The 3rd row is very cramped, but should be fine for non-too-big kids, and for shorter trips.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17,25. Can you ask them why they are not “into” vans? From what you describe, a van is what would serve them best, with more room, both for people and stuff, similar gas mileage, and probably lower price, similarly equipped. Is it just the “image,” or is there something else that I’m not aware of, unless they plan to go off-roading?

  31. Bob Wilson Says:

    Lucid is not Nikola Motors who sells video images. Lucid appears to making a real product (not one I’m in the market.) So Lucid needs to make and sell the ‘Air’ and not follow the Nikola ‘promise anything but deliver nothing.’

  32. GM Veteran Says:

    29 – Just because Nikola is not ready to start production yet does not mean that they are not a real company that will have real products. The purchasing agents at the large companies that have signed up for hundreds of their trucks aren’t stupid people. They obviously feel confident in the product. How many other companies can you name that have a five year backlog of orders before their production plant is even ready? The hedge fund managers that invested long before Nikola went public are also not easily fooled.

    Forget the hype and the internet gossip and check out the product, the plan and the refueling systems they have planned. Tesla is not the only company that can be a catalyst for significant change.

  33. GM Veteran Says:

    Hey John,

    Great show on Autoline This Week. The interview with Volvo’s CEO was great. He was refreshingly candid. Volvo is on a roll with great product and consumer-pleasing high residual values. Being one of only three brands to increase sales in the first half of the year in the US market underscores the value of their hard work.

    Thanks for another fascinating interview!

  34. Stephen Says:

    Volvo CEO also knows what every other car maker knows (bar Tesla) that they need to sell (not just offer for sale) WAY more BEV and plugin hybrids to have any chance of surviving future emission targets. Volvo is only launching its more hybrid-bev range now and unless they can beat or at least compete with Tesla, they cannot go crying to lawmakers and say give us another break. As Volvo is also owned by the Chinese, there can be no bailouts. BMW-Merc-VW are also facing the same tsunami.

  35. Stephen Says:

    If Lucid can offer a ModelS competitor then there are plenty of current ModelS owners and current BMW7/Sclass owners who want to move to BEV (or more to one) and worry about all the Tesla reliability stories. Many of these 7-Sclass owners keep their barges longer than most and see no BEV offer from BMW or Merc. Even Lexus owners have little options bar another hybrid.

  36. Stephen Says:

    I have to laugh at Detroit thinking Truck sales in China could be much larger. Detroit is used to selling inefficient large expensive pickups and sales are only in North America. Perhaps Chinese superrich might buy one but China is committed to fixing air smog and your superthirsty US pickup (assuming Trump does not offend the government even more than it has) will find as many customers as the Corvette does ie niche.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32. Volvo and VW are small players in the US, compared to the rest of the world, so if they end up in trouble, they will be looking for help somewhere other than the US. BMW and Merc are fairly big in the US, but I doubt will get bailed out in the US, except maybe by the states of South Carolina and Alabama.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    26 The Phrase was not mine. I have no experience how strongly the Saturn V accelerated. THe phrase that the Merc E 320 Bluetec accelerated like a Saturn V rocket was in one of the more comprehensive road tests, most likely at Car and Driver. Don’t ask me about how the exaust smelled, I could not tell. THe only time I notice and I don’t like the smell of diesel fuel is after I park the car and get out of it, and not always, about one in 10 100 times.

  39. Larry D. Says:

    28 I can understand why people use vans only when they really have to, and prefer wagons and crossovers (same thing) and SUVs instead.

    A Van is not a personal vehicle, when you drive it it looks like you are a low-level employee ferrying people around. People want their cars to be like their clothes, and make them look good, or at least better than they look without a car, not like a cargo or passenger van.

    On a similar note, the top model RR Phantom, when you drive that, you always think the others believe you are not the owner, but some rich guys chauffeur. THe other ROllses may be driver’s crs, but they are far inferior than the Phantom, so there is the problem.

    Mike KAresh, who runs a reliability database (True Alpha? I used to register my own cars there a few years ago and report repairs, if any), told me the Phantom was the only car he EVER drove which made him feel like a “potentate”. I replied that it would make me feel like the modestly paid Chauffeur of a Potentate. BTW his mother owns an E class, but not the Diesel, and is very impressed with the car.

  40. Larry D. Says:

    29 I imagine, since the Saudis own 66-67% of Lucid, that their products would be endorsed by the Saudi Royal Family and all the Terrorists it gives billions to every year. Like AL Qaida.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    33 The fact you call the BMW “MAgnificent 7″ Series a “barge” betrays your UTTER IGNORANCE of

    1. WHat a barge is and how it handles, and

    2. How the SEVEN handles (hint: Takes turns like if it is on RAILS. Utterly UNflappable).

    You would be far more accurate calling the otherwise very nice LEXUS LS460 a “barge”. NOT the 7.

  42. Larry D. Says:

    35 VOlvo has a 0.5% negligible share in the US, but VW has always around 4.0%, EIGHT times bigger share than CHinese owned VOlvo-Geely. The VW Group is as big as the very successful SUBARU in the US.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    37. This is a great looking personal use van. It even has color, inside and out.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40. VW group, including VW brand, Audi and Porsche has 4-5% market share in the US, but more than 25% in Europe, 18-19% in China, and probably 15%+ in South America. That’s why I say VW is a small player in the US, relatively speaking.

  45. Larry D. Says:

    42 Compared to Toyota or GM, but you grouped it with VOlvo which is not visible by the naked eye at a moribound 0.5-0.6%

    Also 26 those reliability surveys have lost their meanings when buyers who are computer illiterate or refuse to read the manual complain about i-drives and the like. And even if the Odyssey has real reliability issues, the interior quality and materials and design are far better than the Caravan’s

  46. Larry D. Says:

    Today I got a lot done. In one of my chores I had to send a registered letter *about $6) and I asked them how much the stamp for a local simple letter is, and it was 1.9 Euros, almost $2.20. Then I asked them how much a simple letter to the US is, and it was not much higher at 2 Euros. These prices are four and two times what the US Post office charges (forever stamps). Maybe we should bite the bullet in the US as well and find a permanent solution for the USPO woes instead of them coming every year to Congress, barefoot and bankrupt, to ask for more billions.

    Before I entered the PO, I had to wait outside, and had parked my Merc on the narrow one way street with cars on both sides. A small hatch seemed to have trouble width-wise and as I went to see, I stumbled on the irregular step in the pavement and fell, hitting both knees, one elbow, one ankle and one knuckle (maybe the only one who may have broken, the others were superficial wounds). I used some of the sanitizer on them and later at home a more appropriate solution (Betadine). My evening swim will provide more iodine and salt. It turned out there was ample room for that hatch to drive through.

    I also did several scans, one to MI to vote absentee for the first time, and the ELectric Utility came to my place at noon and worked for two hours to fix the cable that fell on my metal fence when the idiot neighbor cut a tree which caused the cable to fall of the column etc. (I still had electricity all these months, the fence metal spikes had not pierced the cable, but the weight of the large tree trunk has bent the fence a bit, and is still on it)

  47. Larry D. Says:

    Just checked my holdings (had not for a few days and noticed that markets had continued their relentless record after record close, so I went to the CNBC site for an explanation, and it had this crumb for the resident Tesla haters and/or Deniers:

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43. To use CR’s reliability survey results, it is best to look at the categories, and you can decipher what matters to you. Yeah, the composite doesn’t do that.

    If you want to compare interior design, you should compare the Odyssey with Pacifica, not with Caravan which cost thousands less.

  49. Larry D. Says:

    48 I liked the exterior of the old Pacifica, it did a good job disguising a minivan as an upscale looking wagon. I have not seen its interior, but then it has been discontinued for a while now. But I bet you refer to the new Pacifica, a clear minivan, whose styling I don’t like much.