AD #2916 – Hyundai Venue Stands Out in A Crowd; Ford Ranger Tremor; China Wants to Boost Fuel Cell Vehicle Sales

September 14th, 2020 at 11:48am

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Runtime: 9:13

0:07 China Reveals Plan to Boost Fuel Cell Vehicle Sales
0:38 Japan & Korea Already Subsidizing Fuel Cells
1:00 Delphi Wins Another Bid for EV Inverter
1:34 Dodge Reveals New Police Vehicles
2:47 Ford Unveils New Ranger Tremor
4:00 Mustang Mach-E Set to Make Chinese Debut
4:21 Aston Martin Introduces Racing Simulator
5:17 Hyundai Shows Off Soapbox Car
6:50 Hyundai Venue Stands Out in A Crowd

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30 Comments to “AD #2916 – Hyundai Venue Stands Out in A Crowd; Ford Ranger Tremor; China Wants to Boost Fuel Cell Vehicle Sales”

  1. Wim van Acker Says:

    @Hyundai Venue: it seems like the design team has “been inspired” by the Mini

  2. MJB Says:

    Hey Sean, the topic of painted raised lettering on tires came up a couple weeks back.

    I may end up taking a crack at this Hyundai soapbox DIY for my 10 & 12 year old boys (and having them help too, of course). One addition I’d make though would be to add some custom white lettering to those otherwise blank wheel barrel tires. “Dunlop”, “Firestone”, etc. I think that would really make that finished result pop!

  3. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    2) Sounds like a perfect Father/Son project. Maybe add some blue paint to the seats with white trim like the Hyundai Venue Denim and really spiff it up!

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    It seems like Aston Martin executives love their little side projects. Remember the mini car for $50,000 or the AM inspired yacht? The company might be in better shape if they focused more on their core business and less on pet projects.

  5. Kit Gerhaer Says:

    4 The spiffed up, rebadged Scion iQ didn’t go over so well. Neither did the regular one for a third the price.

  6. MJB Says:

    #4. You’d think so, however, unlike the common folk (you and I) Aston Martin clientele ARE favorably influenced by the oddities of such bespoke side projects as yachts, mini-cars, and the like. That’s why Lexus even decided to dip their toe in the lux yacht market late last year: https://www.businessinsider.com/lexus-first-luxury-yacht-ly650-photos-2019-9

    Trust me, AM is doing what they need to attract and retain its target market.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I guess I don’t follow the Korean small tall wagons very closely. I hadn’t heard of the Kia Seltos until someone I know bought one, and didn’t know about the Venue until today’s show.

    I could do without the while slashes over the wheel wells, but overall, the the Venue looks decent for that type vehicle, and would be a practical city car for a lot of people.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6. The iQ-based Cygnet sold only ~300 units in the UK over 2 or 3 model years, vs. the predicted 4000, so the minicar project wasn’t very successful.

    Related to Aston Martin, the Racing Point, formerly Force India Formula 1 team will be called Aston Martin next year.

  9. Ed Says:

    I am curious about the Chinese move to fuel cell, my only idea is to use it as a hybrid / electric, to recharge and or run electric motors. It would increase range. I have otherwise always heard that fuel cell tech does not scale up well; working best in small scale applications. I only have a peripheral knowledge of fuel cell , so any more info would be appreciated. If so then it still plays into the electric vehicle. I also read recently about some hybrid issues on phev, vehicles with the ethanol mix sitting so long and going bad for individuals who plug in nightly and go short distances, never using the gas. The corrosive effects damaging parts of the system.

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @9, I am not knowledgeable at all about fuel cells. What I know is that you need a tank with liquefied hydrogen under high pressure to power the fuel cells. With hydrogen being highly inflammable and explosive, I am wondering what the safety risks are of replacing a quantity of highly inflammable gasoline or diesel under atmospheric pressure in a vehicle by a quantity of highly inflammable hydrogen under high pressure. Maybe the expectation is that the probability of accidents goes down to close to zero with increased electronic safety features.

    Does any of you know?

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 Somehow, the idea of a car with hydrogen stored at 10,000 psi doesn’t sound good to me, but as strong as the tanks need to be to hold that pressure, maybe they are crash proof.

  12. Kevin A Says:

    Fuel cells may or may not make sense in the US but they do make sense in any country that has to import all of their oil (ie most countries). Hydrogen can be inexpensively made from natural gas or more expensively made from electricity, which is also a great way to convert solar power to a liquid fuel. Battery EV’s are more efficient overall, but then you have to import the rare materials needed to make batteries. Nobody wants to be dependent on other countries for critical materials.

  13. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Just out of curiosity, do Dodge and other police vehicle manufacturers sell these models to the public as well? If they are faster, more durable or less expensive, it might be worth having one.

  14. Larry D. Says:

    “..Even though Elon Musk calls them “fool cells” and is trying to turn people against them..”

    No, he calls them as he sees them because they are a FAILURE and have BEEN a failure for 30 years now.

    If Fuel Cells were any good, Musk would have ADOPTED THEM.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    6 We certainly do not trust you, you have NO CLUE if any of these SILLY ventures made a DIME for any company who tried them. Most5 likely the idiot VP with the big ego who proposed them got them approved, and then the company lost millions or hundreds of millions when they DID NOT SELL.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    6 and 15 and 8 is your proof it FAILED MISERABLY.

  17. merv Says:

    I grew up in town that had a soap box derby track,it was a huge deal every July. A lot of children that grew up here had some sort of car,wagon, cart,or scooter built around old soap box wheels/tires

  18. Al.c Says:

    Since H2 is the smallest molecule it leaks very easily. There wes a special type of tubing connectors need from my early days in pneumatic plumbing. There is no type of plastic that will hold H2 only metal will work for a long time.
    all plastics are made from long chain molecules and the spacing between them is like a barn door opening. I am only talking about when a gas no knowledge if liquid.
    Long term storge could be a problem.

  19. cwolf Says:

    I’m pretty sure fuel cells can be made strong enough to be safe. The danger would be at the valve or line connected to the cell. If this weak point becomes damaged and severed, anything can happen and probably all bad.

    I sure dislike plastic around the wheel well openings. so many times I see rust and rust holes around them. I wonder if it is caused by the screws holing the plastic on or maybe the wider lip catches dirt and moisture.

  20. Bob Wilson Says:

    When I see fuel cell powered laptops and cell phones, I’ll change my opinion.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 My laptop and phone are mostly coal fired where I am now, in Indiana.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    SHARES OF NIKOLA FRAUD TUMBLED WHILE MARKERS SOARED. Music to my ears.

    I just listened to Autonews Now, there is a war of words between the fraud Nikola Motors and HINDENBURG, the short sellers who UNCOVERED IT.

    Nikola, after its stock plummeted, issued a ‘detailed rebuttal’ to Hindenburg’s DEVASTATING Claims, BUT in fact not only it did NOT answer any of them, it reinforced them, and Hindenburg will fire its own guns in its own detailed rebuttal.

    Nikola has NO tech of its own, its agreement with GM uses all GM tech.

    In short, Nikola brings NOTHING to the table, andf its offer of 11% of its shares, valued at their peak at $2 billion, are only worth a few mill now.

    This is the worst Con GM was a victim of since the criminals at FIAT conned GM of several BILLION $ when they dissolved their ill-fated partnership.

    The above does NOT speak well about GM’s leadership. I wonder if they also sent a few bill to those Nigerian Princesses that infested their emails not long ago. Nikola is not much better than these crooks.

  23. veh Says:

    So the Venue is great as long as you don’t go over 60 mph? I don’t think I’ve ever owned a vehicle that didn’t get driven on the freeway on occasion.

    I took my 1983 Escort and its 86 hp on the road many times. Maybe it was a different era with different expectations, but I don’t remember having any objections to the way it sounded or drove at 70 mph, eventually. (no AC on that bad boy either, so the windows were down a lot!)

    Honestly, if I had a need for a city-only vehicle, I’d be looking very hard at an EV

  24. Larry D. Says:

    There is a black Peugeot 508 sedan parked on the road to the beach here. Looks big but probably is shorter than a Malibu, bigger than a Cruze. I remember Peugeot wanting to come back to the US market. If they priced this like a Volvo, they would fail (again, just as VOlvo did too). If they priced it like a Chevy, they would lose $ most likely. This is why I predicted failure if they tried to come back to the US, even tho their cars are better quality than the flimsy Renault-Nissans and the crazy Citroens. (accent on the E, John, NOT on the O!)

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23. Yep, it’s definitely a different era with different expectations. CR got an 8.9 second 0-60 time with the Venue, and 17 second quarter mile with 83 mph trap speed, so it’s fast enough for any normal driving. I drove a 1070 VW Beetle all over Europe, and quite a few places in the US, with its ~15 second 0-60, about 80 mph top speed, no A/C, a crappy heater, and lots of noise. We have gotten spoiled over the years.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Oops, typo. It was a 1970 Beetle, with 57 hp.

  27. Joe Says:

    There is lots of info on the Internet that looks at fuel cell as being very favorable. Toyota, Honda, the Chinese, and GM are planning to go big with them. I like the idea being able to fuel up taking the same amount of time as a gas pump. I’m sure everyone likes that better than to wait for hours. I know the almighty Elon Musk thinks it’s “fool cells” but the fool could end up being the almighty Mr Musk.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    25 That Beetle, while it had distinctive styling and character, is not suitable to today;s highway trips. It is not being spoiled to expect a cheap econobox to travel comfortably on the highway on cruise control at 80-100 MPH. In fact, the successor of the Beetle I drove in Germany twice, over two separate 3 day weekend rentals, the GOlf II, probably with a small 1.3 lt engine, smaller than the US versions, could and did cruise all day at 100 MPH (with my foot permanently on the floor), it was a bit noisy but comfortable, and even at those speeds returned a fine 7 lt/100 km, I did 3,000 km each weekend, did all the driving myself, was a nervous wreck when I returned the car to my high-rise garage on Broadway (Breitestrasse) in Schmargendorf, and failure-free executed what my colleagues were worried was a very ambitious itinerary. That was 32 years ago. The only frustration was I could not figure out the Stereo (Blaupunkt)

    PS that Peuguot 508 has a diesel -mild hybrid version with a slightly larger tank that can do 1,600+ LM (over 1,000 miles) on one tank and allegedly get 4.2lt/100km, which if it was just a diesel I would not believe for a car of that size, despite the diesel being half the size og my E 320, at 1.6 lts.

  29. MJB Says:

    @15 – Increased revenue is not the only metric. When a lux auto maker engages in this sort of outside venture, it is akin to your major league baseball team lighting off $15k worth of fireworks at the end of every single home game. That sort of thing is not meant to put more butts in the bleachers. It’s just to enhance the experience for existing patrons and give them a little extra incentive to come back again.

    Why is it that when reading your posts, Larry D., that I feel like I’m chiding my 12 year old for always being such a know-it-all? ;)

  30. MJB Says:

    I said $15k, but that’s actually more like $50k