AD #2937 – VW Jumps into Compact CUV Segment; Ferrari Could Make Fortune with EVs; GM Won’t Give Up on FCA Lawsuit

October 14th, 2020 at 11:57am

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0:07 GM Won’t Give Up on FCA Lawsuit
0:39 EV Battery Fires in The News
1:50 U.S. Heavy Duty Truck Sales Slowly Recovering
3:02 Ford Taking Orders for Mustang Mach 1
3:52 2021 U.S. Ford Transit Updates
4:33 VW Jumps into Compact CUV Segment
5:46 Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport Unveiled
6:37 Ferrari Could Make Fortune with EVs
7:39 Baidu Offering Autonomous Rides in Beijing
8:24 BMW Establishes AI Code of Ethics

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52 Comments to “AD #2937 – VW Jumps into Compact CUV Segment; Ferrari Could Make Fortune with EVs; GM Won’t Give Up on FCA Lawsuit”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Kawasaki should sue Ford for stealing the Mach 1 name. Kawasaki used that name for a 250cc motorcycle in the 1970s.

  2. Bob Petrach Says:

    Kit, Ford used it on 1969 Mustang Mach I

  3. Larry D. Says:

    While The Hyundai and FOrd Escape BEVs go up in flames, pathetic little Cwolf yesterday spread all kinds of nonsense alleging Tesla’s doom and gloom. WIshful thinking on an UNREAL scale, and he is not the only one here.

    I saw a VW Taos hatchy wagony crossover (small one by US standards but plenty big for here) and was struck how much BETTER its exterior styling was compared to the truly GOD AWFUL, ungainly, sawed-off Equinoxes, the two fat pigs the Chevy Trax and the Buick ENcore, of whom undortunately I get to see several in my 360 condo complex in the US.

    The difference is day and night.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    The Taos, despite its american name, apparently is not new to Europe, the one I saw was down the street as I walk the three blocks to my morning and evening swims along the coast.

  5. GM Veteran Says:

    Funny that the Ferrari article doesn’t mention emissions as a primary reason they should start to switch to electric propulsion. Many cities are considering banning ICE cars altogether, or have already done so or enacted fees to allow entry. Ferrari owners won’t want restrictions on where they can drive their cars. This seems like the top reason that Ferrari needs to get going on this switchover.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    Just saw that the Lucid Air will be priced at just under $70,000 in the U.S. when the tax credit is included. With more power and a longer range, this car is serious competition for the Model S. No wonder Tesla just dropped the price of the Model S. If Lucid’s build quality is good, Tesla is going to feel a drop in demand.

    Tesla reminds me of GM in the early 80′s when they let their build quality go to hell. They are still suffering the results of that time.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Thanks. I should have remembered that. I guess I remember the Kawasakis better, because I had a Mach 3, a 500cc two stroke triple.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I can’t see Ferrari as an electric car company. The engines are a lot of what define Ferrari, even more than those pushrod V8s define a Corvette. Very soon, if not already, electric powertrains are a commodity with no defining “character.” In the near future, BorgWarner/Delphi will solidify the commodity status of EV powertrains even more.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    Totally agree Kit. Styling, luxury appointments, and unique new features will become the main differentiators. Also, brand experiences – the extra amenities that come with owning a certain brand.

    Ferrari just came out with its first plug-in hybrid model, and has done regular hybrids in the past. So, they are already on the path to full electric. If Porsche can do it, I think Ferrari can too. But, it will take awhile and some purists will never be on board with it. They will undoubtedly pick up some new customers though.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    I am a little skeptical about Ferrari PURE BEVs, as one of the most typical trait of any Ferrari is its SOUND. Which is not your father’s V8 sound. Or even V12. Will the Ferrari BEVs have phony fake noises to sound like Ferraris? I’d not buy such a fraud.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    6 The Lucid, I remind you once more is 67% funded by the Saudis, will NEVER be any competition to the Model S, no matter how you and other sick pitiful types here WISH it does. Because by the time it is on sale, it will have to compete with a FAR BETTER Model S than the one it tried to copy when DESIGNING its car, which would be a decade old design.

    Again, MANY sickos here WISH the Saudi backed company OR the COMMIE Geely which owns VOlvo OR the other COMMIE maker of that worthless POS BEV that GM Vet was so thrilled that the cheap POS sold more copies than Tesla in CHINA, with the CHINESE GOVT of course using TARIFFS to keep imported Teslas off the streets,

    so he and other TRULY SICK people here (assuming they are US Citizens, if you are ISIS, I would understand it), mourn every day there is good news for TESLA or its stock, AND almost every day there HAS BEEN the last two years), and hope that every loser garden variety “Tesla Fighter” succeeds.

    Put down the correct price, performance,dimensions and spaces, range (!!) etc for any Tesla vs any rival, BUT DO A COMPLETE LISTING, and you will see these clowns have STILL NOT BUILT A BEV that can even remotely compare.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    PS if you buy Lucid shares and lose your shirt, the Bin Laden Foundation will send you a consolation Burkha.

  13. Kevin A Says:

    Larry, Don’t beat around the bush. Tell us what you really think!

  14. bradley cross Says:

    Cant wait to the see the quality of the initial Lucid vehicles.

  15. GM Veteran Says:

    One other aspect that has not been mentioned yet is bond ratings.

    Tesla is still rated junk—after its recent one-notch upgrade, S&P rates it BB-, three tiers below investment grade—but the outlook for the company’s credit is improving because its cash reserve is growing compared to the amount of debt it has outstanding, says S&P.

    GM, by comparison, is rated Baa3, or investment grade. Probably because they have an appropriate amount of cash, and they actually make money.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    10 – Many people were very skeptical that anyone would ever buy a Porsche SUV. Then the Cayenne came out and changed everything.

    The same could happen with Ferrari EV’s. Like their recent plug-in hybrid, if their first EV model is their fastest and most powerful model, there will be enough buyers to make it a success.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean the average number of vehicles registered in the US is 273,600,000 so that 200k fires is like 0.07% Not sure how many EV fires there have been but sounds like they may be on the higher side of that percentage.
    Also couldn’t find if of those 200k ICE fires are they just vehicles that caught fire or was it caused by an accident unlike the Evs that seem to be catching fire not due to any damage but charging or discharging.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    Worldwide Vehicle Sales for first half of 2020:

    Tesla: 179,050

    Volvo: 340,826

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 I’d think most of the ICE car fires would be crash related, now that cars no longer have those glass bowl fuel filters under the hood. I could be wrong, though.

  20. XA351GT Says:

    An electric Ferrari? That will be a hard pass by most Ferraro owners and fans. There isn’t much debate that EVs can be quick enough , but without the glorious noise from those engines it becomes a glorified electric go kart painted red. Try watching a Formula E race it seems like the TV is on mute with the exception of the squeak of the tires which sound like basketball shoes on a NBA court. I’m sure the racing is fine , but Auto racing and cars in general should assault every sense you have. You should be able to hear it , see it , feel it smell it and even taste it . Anyone who has ever stood next a running top fuel car will know what I’m talking about.

  21. XA351GT Says:

    @ # 18 SHOTS FIRED Await incoming missiles

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This, and a couple other articles I found say that the biggest cause of car fires is fuel leaks.

    https://autocatch.com/articles/nine-common-causes-of-car-fires/

  23. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rdhpH3D2jo

    Remember James May, aka “Captain Slow” in the good, politically incorrect Top Gear? He has a model S and loves it, he says, but there are 6 things he hates about it.

    I thought the Tesla hating sickos here would drool with delight.

  24. DanaPointJohn Says:

    #11. Hey Larry D., less caffeine please!

  25. Larry D. Says:

    24 I don’t use much, I do make half a pot of filtered coffee but it is gone by noon, and it is pretty weak caffeine wise. Did you enjoy 23? I thought I’d throw a bone at the sickos…

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I might in the future buy a BEV but in all probability it won’t be a Tesla; prejudice, yep! I won’t buy a Ford either; prejudice, yep. Just saying, enough said. You don’t have to have the absolute best, there are many differentiators, and this also explains why there are a multiple of brands, models and options for the buyer.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 That video is obviously intended to be mostly humour, but one of his complaints is real. Why would the car turn off if you get out for a few seconds to open a gate, get the mail, open a garage door, etc.? My cars don’t do that, and I wouldn’t like it if they did, even though I only rarely get out of the car, except when it is actually parked.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    28 Actually another of his complaints is also real, and one that is not present in my E diesel here. THere is no need for the idiot noise the trunk makes when it closes, since you know it will close, since you just pushed the button. In the E class,the trunk lid closes automatically and does not make the annoying sound. In the E class I have in the US, one year older, it does not have the extra feature of that button on the trunk lid that automatically closes it, you have to close it manually.

    May mentioned the 6 things in detail, the first one was obviously addressing the whines about the fit and finish and paint alleged defects in early models. But he also says there are 2,800++ things he loves about the car (maybe they are equal to the miles or tens of miles he has driven it already), without naming them.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    THere was another, much longer, video, of another brit who drove the VW id3 BEV (smaller than the GOlf sized id4 we get in the US) and tried to run it dry to check its alleged range of 260 miles. The car did 204 (at the end 210 but only had power steering left, they had to push it) under warm weather and not fast driving. The interior was not luxurious, regular Euro Golfs are better.

    26 You should get a FIat 500 E, the late sergio said FCA lost $15,000 for every little turkey made.

  30. Brett Cammack Says:

    #1 & #2

    Nothing is ever a sure thing. Just look at all the people driving Ford Fusions instead Ford Futuras.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26,29 if I were buying an EV, of what’s currently on the market, or almost on the market, it would probably be the Mini. It doesn’t have much room or much range, but would be fun to drive, and is ~$31K base before the tax credit, which I would be able to use most of. It obviously would not “do everything,” but would work well for 90% of my local driving.

  32. rick bradner Says:

    Say Sean,

    I’m not taking sides on the “Electric Cavallo”, but the argument that they “save”(ie: making extra profit)$40K only works if they can find buyers at the same list price.
    A big part of the Ferrari mystique is the sound…

  33. Larry D. Says:

    31 The only BEV I’d want to buy would be the Model S, maybe the “Plaid” supercar version, even tho its great width and fairly large size overall would make it even more difficult to navigate downtown overseas than my E class, and in my summer home, with its 3 times the US gas prices, and my 50-60 mile typical round trip to downtown, is where I could use its benefits most. Plus I have space for several cars there, while in the US I have a one car garage and a driveway, but the car in the driveway must be moved when it snows for the ploughs.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    32 I agree.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Hybrid Ferraris are fine; they still have that special sounding engine, but pure EVs? I don’t see it at all, unless the people who spend that kind of money for cars do so completely for the snob appeal of the brand.

    I suppose, at this time, hybrid Ferraris might suffer a little from the dismal performance of the Ferrari F1 cars this year.

  36. joe Says:

    One has to believe GM has a bona fide case. All GM needs to do is find an honest judge.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Have you ever driven, or even ridden in a Model S? It would be fast, but you might be disappointed when you discovered that is was less luxurious, and generally less “nice” than your 12 year old Benz.

  38. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m pretty sure Ferrari will be able to find buyers for their EV. Much like the die-hard Corvette fans that objected to the car going mid-engine. The car seems to be well accepted and getting lots of praise. Ferrari will still have the naysayers but if done correctly a killer fast EV will still draw in consumers that are more about the performance than the iconic sound. The thing about supercars is numbers matter and even without the sound if one guy has a EV Ferrari and it can run the 1/4 faster than the other ICE models. That’s bragging rights. Much like the import tuners that dont care if the car sounds like a turbo charged sewing machine or just a huge rush of air. Its about speed.

    Personally the engine is like the soul to me, and without the sound its like a video game on mute. I watched my first EV dirtbike the other day and although very quick it just isn’t the same.. As XA351GT said I need to feel and hear that sound.. It was like watching rock concert without the drums.. But I’m older and I suppose the younger generations will be accustomed to this whine of electric motors. If you never heard a big-block with strait pipes. Then I guess you wouldn’t know what your missing.

  39. WineGeek Says:

    The Taos is so ugly why can’t VW do a better job on design.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38 So far, I guess Porsche is doing ok with the Taycan, but it is cheap, compared to any Ferrari. The thing is, it is easy to make an EV run quick 0-60 and quarter mile times. Maybe car companies will get tire companies to make special tires, so their car can get down to the sub-2 second 0-60 times. Traction of existing street tires is the limiting factor now, re. acceleration times. Will even prancing horse brand snobs want to pay $300K for an electric car that will run little, if any quicker 0-60 and quarter mile times than a $60K Tesla? The Ferrari would look cooler and corner better, but still…

  41. Alex Carazan Says:

    EV’s with very few made how come so many fires? Go to You Tube and type: Electric Vehicle Fires
    These fires are roaring and random and very hard to put out. With many EV owners having attached garages, such EV fires could be deadly to home or condo owners and with high loss of property. Besides EV’s having high cost, poor range, long charge time, and little charge infrastructure they apparently have fire risk. How many fires is too many? What is root cause? Should EV’s have self-contained fire suppression systems? How would cost of EV’s increase? Very very scary!!

  42. Bobby T Says:

    #8, Kit. How times have changed! In the 1950s, each GM division had unique engines, most had unique transmissions, and most had unique suspensions and other chassis components. And the company was rolling in dough.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 Yep, in the 50s, the different powertrains distinguished the GM brands, and probably contributed to GM’s market dominance. Each brand had its own appeal. Olds had the “performance” of the 4-speed Hydramatic. Buick had the “luxury and smoothness” of the one-speed Dynaflow, etc. When all cars are electric, with one-speed gear reduction, the styling, gadgets, vehicle size, etc. will be the only things to distinguish a Ford from a Nissan. All powertrains will be essentially alike.

  44. cwolf Says:

    I am amazed at just how unrealistic we have become! What good are the very fast EV’s to make 0 to 60 times when it is completely impractical? What good is is for a family or work car to go close to 200 mph? I think focusing on the more practical makes more sense
    For Larry, this is everything, even though Tesla quality is junk.

  45. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43 I’ve probably experienced the “slow,” ~4 second 0-60 acceleration of my Corvette only about twice since 2016. If I floor it, I usually manually downshift it only one or two gears. To me, occasionally getting the chance to experience the cornering capability on a curvy road or on ramp is more fun than abusing the machinery with full-throttle acceleration.

    A while back, Bob Wilson mentioned normally having his Model 3 in “chill” mode. I found a video that did some testing, and found that a Model 3 and Model S did 0-60 in ~7.5-8 seconds in chill mode. Interestingly, that’s about the same as a Camry hybrid. Also, that is plenty fast enough for any normal driving.

  46. Larry D. Says:

    31 I Checked out the EV Mini. Its battery is LESS than even 30 KWH and its range is a terrible (in today’s EV market) 110 miles, less than half that of the fat pig Bolt, and less than one third of some Model 3s. Its only saving grace is that thanks to the stupid and corrrupt COngress, which punishes the WINNERS and SUBSIDIZES the LOSERS, is its PRICE, if you can get the 7,500 tax credit (the poor who live on SS can’t, their income is too low to pay much taxes, hence the tax credit is USELESS to them).

    So to add insult to injury: the BEST EVs (look at their specs AND their SALES) who passed 200,000 in sales, like Tesla who passed a MILLION Long time ago, get NO tax credit, while the LOSER EVs, those the consumer gave them the THUMBS DOWN and DESERVEDLY SO, still get the damned credit from MY taxes.

    The E- mini is a joke. If not for the =tax credit, its price would be only 20% less than the VASTLY superior Model 3. AND because of its embarrassingly low range, it can NEVER be your ONLY vehicle, so it is just a damned TOY. I guess like gas and diesel Minis are.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    test

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yes, the Mini EV would not work as an only car. It would be a fun, “city car” for most driving, if you have a place to charge it at home. A standard 120v outlet would suffice for that type of use.

    A gas Mini is a very capable car for carrying two people and a certain amount of stuff. It’s obviously a good city car, but also, not a bad highway car. I made 4 trips between FL and IN in my 2010. The seat is comfortable, and the car not terribly noisy.

    It’s clearly a two passenger car, at least the two door hardtop like mine.

  49. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3386188288095246&set=gm.1468892146637971

    And now, with no benefit of any tax credits from the corrupt and stupid US COngress,

    The LEGENDARY Model S, can be had, BRAND NEW, for less than even $70k.

    Tell me with a serious face that you would rather have a Genesis G90 (NOT the much smaller than the Model S G80) with little luxury and far inferior peformance (not to mention it’s DIRTY).

    If you do, you will FULLY DESERVE the POS you get. IF Genesis is still around at the time. But Hyundai has deep pockets and its clueless Execs have big egos, so I bet they will suffer billions of $ in losses before they cry “Uncle” for the FIFTEENTH time ( correct me here, nitpickers, what is the total times Hyundai and Kia tried to sell a so-called luxury vehicle to the US Consumer)?

    Still.. for a car that has been compared to the AWESOME S Class (rightly or wrongly), $69k is a SCREAMING, repeat SCREAMING bargain.

  50. Larry D. Says:

    Question, asked by some guy in a facebook group I am a member, so if anything below is inaccurate, complain to facebook for printing fake news. But I don’t think it is.

    “So would you buy a performance 3 for $55k or a model S for $69.5k with 402 mile range?
    0-60 3.2 vs 3.7″

    Seriously? the bargain basement S for LESS than $70k has almost FOUR TIMES the range of that pitiful E-Mini?

    THe above “dilemma” sounds like one is in Heaven and is asked if he wants his mansion on the beach or high up on the mountains, with a divine view (literally)

    But you know my answer, of course. The Model S hands down. and the loss in acceleration is trivial, barely half a sec.

  51. Larry D. Says:

    49 now take a minute and THINK. even 10 years ago, would you believe that the entry level BEV Model S version would have a 0-60 of 3.7 sec. And that would be the WORST acceleration of any Model S you could buy. And that would rightfully make the Model S a TRUE SUPERCAR, not a… Genesis G 90, or a Lincoln Conti Fusion, or (insert loser here), and priced at a FRACTION (like one fifth) the price of traditional supercars like Ferraris and Lambos with WORSE accelerations, AND it does all that CLEANLY AND with a VASTLY Bigger Interior AND seats and trunk space and all that jazz.

    As Arthur CLarke once said, the technology of a few years into the future would sound to today’s most advanced nations like MAGIC.

  52. Kit Gerhart Says:

    50 The Model S would obviously be the best of those you mention as an only car. It has more room, more range, and better controls than a Model 3, and is a hatchback, making it more utilitarian. The E-Mini, obviously, would not work as an only car for many people.

    49 FYI, the G80 is about the same size as the Model S. The G80 is an inch longer, and the S 3 inches wider. They have similar passenger room, but the S has more cargo room. The G90 is clearly more luxurious, but of course, the Tesla is much quicker 0-60.