AD #2938 – Lucid Reveals Base Air Price; CARB Urges Automakers to Admit Cheating; Startup Claims to Slash Lidar Costs

October 15th, 2020 at 11:44am

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Runtime: 10:12

0:07 Lucid Reveals Base Price of the Air Sedan
1:09 BMW Awards Points for All Electric Driving
1:55 Daimler to Cut F1 Spending in Half
3:24 New EU Regulation Bans Illuminated Hood Ornaments
4:21 CARB Urges Automakers to Admit Cheating
5:19 Japan Plans Hydrogen Fuel Network
5:56 Startup Claims to Slash Lidar Costs
7:01 New Manufacturing Techniques Improves Acura’s Styling

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39 Comments to “AD #2938 – Lucid Reveals Base Air Price; CARB Urges Automakers to Admit Cheating; Startup Claims to Slash Lidar Costs”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    Light pollution; I’ve heard it all now.. So illuminated billboards are okay but a low lighted hood ornament is not? I would guess most RR owners will pay attention to that law like most people do with the tinted windows.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The EU’s banning of illuminated hood ornaments is silly, but not as silly as people paying ~$4500 for a plastic hood ornament, to make their Rolls-Royce more like a ’50s Pontiac.

  3. Sean McElroy Says:

    @lambo – I thought the same thing, but then I wondered what happens when you go in for regular service, like an oil change? If you go to the RR dealer, will they be forced to make the change? I’m guessing not too many RR owners take their vehicle to an independent shop, which might not have to make the change.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 Won’t that rule apply only to cars sold in the EU? The UK isn’t even in the EU any more, and China or the US is probably the biggest RR market (just guessing).

  5. Bobby T Says:

    #2: Those lighted up Pontiac hood ornaments were my favorites.


    1) The EU has never met a silly regulation it didn’t like.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    @Sean; I assume they must not have reciprocity laws like we do. If the car was legal when it was sold they shouldn’t have to change it for a law that was passed after its release. We don’t make pre-1965 car owners install seatbelts. But that’s the US.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    7 I didn’t mean reciprocity but grandfathering clauses.

  9. MJB Says:

    “Light Pollution” has actually been a term thrown around in urban planning circles for a couple of decades now. I recall reading an article ten years ago about light pollution from gas stations and the like. Something about how all the ‘excess light’ thrown out by parking lots and whatnot causing people’s natural nighttime body rhythms to be thrown off, and how there needs to be a stop put to it. Pure nonsense if you ask me.

  10. GEORGE RICCI Says:

    Japan is missing a big step with hydrogen. Instead of creating refueling infrastructure, they should be working on a way to make hydrogen more efficiently. Lots of companies/people have been working on this problem for years and no major breakthroughs have been found. This is why 95% of all hydrogen is made by burning fossil fuels.


    The new Lidar unit is great. A good step in the right direction if Autonomous driving is the goal. Of course Elon Musk is wrong about Lidar. His camera system couldn’t detect a huge white 57 foot long trailer in the path of his car. A fault in his system that TESLA promptly blamed on the vehicle owner no less. Lidar would have detected it regardless of the color or orientation of the trailer or placement of the sensor or who was driving. But sure…Lets say that Lidar is not necessary. Even the US military cast aside camera based systems long ago for Lidar because it is far superior.

    The truth is that TESLA can’t afford to upgrade their vehicles to a better system and he has to make his vehicles still seem relevant as technology moves past TESLA. What a clown.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 As someone who used to do some “star gazing,” I certainly don’t light pollution, but blaming those hood ornaments for contributing is quite absurd.

    5 Were the lighted Pontiac ornaments standard during the years they used them, or were they an option?

  13. Larry D. Says:

    So let me get this straight:

    The CORRUPT IDIOTS, the criminal class called US COngress ( those were the Great Mark Twain’s words, not mine)

    is handing out $7,500 per unit tax credits to the buyers of 67% SAUDI owned Lucid (in case you forgot, ALL 9/11 terrorists AND Osama Bin Laden were SAUDIS),

    While the 100% AMERICAN, Legendary Tesla Model S, due to the SUCCESS of the company which has sold way over the 200,000 threshold ( more like 1,200,000 and counting), is given $0 tex credit.

    THIS is a JUST PERFECT Example of why Donald J Trump got elected Prez in 2016, AND is a perfect example of what he meant that the US under his idiot and/or corrupt predecessors were the SUCKERS OF THE WORLD.

    Other examples is allowing every other nation, many with far lower wages than the US (which lower wages are ANOTHER form of subsidy of their industries and another blow to US industry!),

    every other nation, rich and poor, had a TON of tariffs and restrictions on US Exports, and we did not even Retaliate, like every OTHER nation does, and when Trump CORRECTLY punished them, he was accused of… protectionism!!!

  14. Kevin A Says:

    Larry, Again. Don’t beat around the bush. If you have something to say, just YELL it out!

  15. Kevin A Says:

    … also Larry, what do you mean WE when you talk about Americans. I Thought you said you lived in ‘the old country’, where life is better and less expensive.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 I can hear it now, the Chinese and Germans ranting about those GD Americans investing in their countries, like you rant about the Saudis investing in the U.S.

  17. RS Says:

    How is it possible that any “thinking” commentator would not understand that a tariff is a surcharge on the citizens of the purchasing nation?

  18. RS Says:

    @13 What a surprise…a supporter of Donald tweet. That clears up a lot of the “intelligent” posts

  19. GM Veteran Says:

    13 – Of course, the first 200,000 buyers of Tesla vehicles received their tax credits, which helped sell more Teslas, which helped build up Elon’s company. Ditto for GM. Now others are bringing their products to market and its not fair that they enjoy the same benefit that Tesla did?

    It doesn’t matter who backs or invests in or owns a company. What matters in this land of free market capitalism is the value of the product to the consumer. Only time will tell if Lucid has produced a viable competitor to Tesla. But, please stop ranting about how unfair it is to poor Tesla. They were fortunate to get the benefit of this incentive before Trump killed it. Some of the new makers coming to market may not get the benefit of it before its gone. (Trump is still working to kill this purchase incentive).

  20. Wim van Acker Says:

    @16: Hysterical Larry lacks even the most basic economic knowledge. Exports are great for a country’s economy. FDI is also great (Foreign Direct Investment): import of capital to the country, creation of jobs, paying taxes (local, state, federal, payroll, personal income tax, etc., creation of indirect jobs (retail stores, hairdresser, physicians). I do not know of any relationship between the 911 perpetrators and the investors of Lucid.

    I have written it before: as dumb as a brick.

  21. Brett Cammack Says:

    Why am I picturing in my minds eye, the “old man yells at cloud” Simpsons cartoon?

  22. ArtG Says:

    18. LOL.

  23. ArtG Says:

    20. It reminds me of the people around here who say they shouldn’t have to pay school taxes because they no longer have children in school. They didn’t complain about that when other people were supporting their kids.

  24. joe Says:


    Larry sees Tesla getting real competition and can not stand it in fear Tesla could fail. My prediction is when more car companies gets into EV’s, the Tesla stock will take a steep dive and will not be as relevant and ultimately will be in serious financial trouble.

  25. Larry D. Says:

    24 You sad idiot. The war has been over MANY MANY MONTHS AGO and the AMERICAN COMPANY, TESLA, WON AND DOMINATED THE WORLD IN BEVS. NOBODY ELSE COMES CLOSE, BUT YOU AND THE OTHER SAD MORONS WIL NEVER ADMIT IT OR REALIZE IT. Saudi Owned Lucid is a SAD JOKE just like YOU SAD CLOWNS ARE. And the most unbelievable thing is, I believe must of you are US CItizens, not ISIS THUGS. JUST STUPID.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    you all get complimentary membertship in the flat earth society, clowns. Kevin, Joe, Cwolf, the whole sad lot. You are TRULY unbelievably DUMB and UNINFORMED. SOrry John and Shaun, but I call a SPADE a SPADE. I am the exact opposite of a DUMB POLITICIAN.

  27. John L Says:

    This string of comments on here today makes me want to go out a buy a Volvo, just on general principles! Maybe even a Polestar!

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 The war is over? LOL with only a 2% market share going to BEVs I wouldn’t hardly say the war is over. Its just getting started, and yes its everyone else that’s a fool.. That’s the definition of Narcissist. But everyone here already knew that. There are people that can help you Larry. Just not here.

  29. cwolf Says:

    Before Larry speaks we have learned it is safe to assume that he is a fool.
    After he speaks, it is no longer necessary to assume it!

  30. cwolf Says:

    Larry speaks ill of the Saudis yet he boasts about how great China is and of his teaching in a country who is our adversary. What a patriot!
    On the other hand, having Larry teach in China just might be one of USA’s greatest weapons; A bunch of dumb, rude Chinese in the making who will argue with themselves!

  31. Larry D. Says:

    Another day, another great piece of news for whom, Poor little Joe, KevinA and Cwolf? WHo do you poor haters think will make more hundreds of millions of US $ off FOrd’s stupidity and greed??? (Hint: NOT the Crooks at Nikola, nor your latest pet, Osama Bin Ladin (67% ownership) Lucid Motors, which will get $7,500 credit per one of the very few units they will sell (fortunatel for the US Taxpayer, VERY few!)


    31) Your issue is not with any one of the commenters here. Your issue is with your government representatives. They developed the incentives with the goal to promote electric vehicle adoption irrespective of manufacturer. Not to promote TESLA. If you do not like it, you need to speak to your representatives. Complaining to commenters here will not resolve your concerns with the tax incentive.

  33. Bobby T Says:

    12, not sure Kit. Might have been standard some years or on high series.

  34. ChuckGrenci Says:

    12,33 I found on a search that the amber hood ornament was an option. This is a forum response but seems to be believable.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33,34 Thanks. I found them intriguing as a kid, as I did with “blue dots” in tail lights.

  36. Alex Carazan Says:

    EV’s: Hyundai, Tesla, BMW PHEV etc. have had fire risk issues….how many recalls now? Should we rename EV’s to FEV’s….”Fire Electric Vehicles”?!!! Besides EV’s being high cost, low range, long charge time, and little charge infrastructure now we need on-board fire suppression systems! How many people park in attached garages to their home. No one wants their home to catch fire. What is going on with all these fires and recalls? Remember when airlines would not allow people with certain phones or battery packs to get on the plane? If Engineers can Manufacturers cannot assure safe battery packs then STOP! EV’s have been available in USA for a decade and only have 1.5% market share. They do not add value for consumers and appear to come with a large safety risk. How long will the industry keep pushing EV’s? When will the group think end?


    35) My dad always liked the blue dot tail lights. The color blue is a better hue for night time. Its shorter wavelength is easier to see at night. Even though hot rodders still use them out of nostalgia, Those blue dots were a popular safety upgrade due to such poor lighting technology at that time. It was hard to see a dimly lit tiny tail light that existed on cars back then.

    A few years ago there was a proposal to switch our current red tail lights to blue for this exact reason. That was prior to the wide spread introduction of LED lighting. LED lighting unfortunately won out because of it’s quicker response time to electrical input and the concerns of getting the populace used to a different color stop lamp. A blue LED tail lamp would be perfection though. One can dream I guess.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    37 Blue LEDs have a really nice color. Yeah, blue LED tail lights with clear lenses would be cool.

  39. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Some States, I know at least in S.C., any blue lights are reserved for law enforcement. No accent lights are allowed and can be ticketed in the Sandlapper State.