AD #2959 – Ford Unveils Electric Transit; Nissan Sues Ghosn For Millions; Volvo Takes Crash Tests to The Extreme
November 13th, 2020 at 11:58am
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Runtime: 10:26
0:19 Nissan Sues Ghosn For Millions
0:59 Indonesia In Talks with Tesla
2:00 Volvo Takes Crash Tests to The Extreme
3:42 Tula Boosts Electric Motor Efficiency
4:43 Ford Unveils Electric Transit
5:54 Analyst Predicts Cybertruck Will Outsell Competition
7:22 BMW CEO Wants to Strengthen Toyota Partnership
8:07 New Bronco Optimized for Camping
8:56 VW Creates Colorful Beetle Out of Millions of Beads
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Welcome to Friday the 13th. Normally we refer to this as an unlucky day. But remember, this is 2020. So this Friday the 13th will probably be the luckiest of the year.
NISSAN SUES GHOSN FOR MILLIONS
But not for Carlos Ghosn. He may have escaped from the police in Japan, but Nissan’s former CEO can’t escape the courts. Nissan is suing him for $95 million in damages. It accuses Ghosn of hiding compensation he wasn’t supposed to get, of getting kickbacks from a car dealer in the Middle East and temporarily putting some of his own personal financial losses on Nissan’s books. Carlos Ghosn says Nissan plotted to get rid of him because it was afraid he was going to merge Nissan together with Renault. And it sure looks like we’re going to be reporting on this story for years.
INDONESIA IN TALKS WITH TESLA
Indonesia wants to become the world’s largest producer of electric vehicle batteries. In order to become an EV battery hub, the government is sending out a team next week to the U.S. and Japan to try and lure new business to the country. According to Reuters, that includes a meeting with high-level Tesla executives. Indonesia, which has the world’s largest nickel reserves, wants Tesla and other companies to invest in nickel processing as a way to cut costs. Elon Musk has said he is planning to offer a “giant contract for a long period of time” so long as the nickel is mined in an environmentally safe way. The Indonesian minister leading the effort says the country could make the supply chain for batteries environmentally friendly in the next 7 to 8 years through powering smelters with renewable energy. By doing so, he says Indonesia could start selling green EV batteries to Europe by 2030.
VOLVO TAKES CRASH TESTS TO THE EXTREME
Today’s cars feature more high-strength steel than in the past. That’s great for cutting weight from a vehicle but in an accident, it makes it more difficult for rescue workers to use the jaws of life to extract a person from a car to save their life. So to help rescuers develop new extraction techniques, Volvo is dropping vehicles from a crane 30 meters or about 100 feet in the air, to simulate an extremely violent crash. It may seem like overkill but the automaker says this simulation can’t be done in normal crash testing. Rescue workers typically train with vehicles from a scrapyard but they’re usually up to two decades old and not built like modern cars. Volvo is using new vehicles in its crash test, to help rescuers stay up to date with extraction techniques. Volvo is putting together a report of its test and will make it available to rescue workers around the world for free.
TULA BOOSTS ELECTRIC MOTOR EFFICIENCY
There’s a fascinating development reported by Wards Intelligence. You’ve heard of Skip Fire, right? That’s the technology from a company called Tula that provides dynamic cylinder deactivation, where, for example, a V8 can run on one cylinder when cruising at a steady speed. General Motors licensed the technology and markets it as Dynamic Fuel Management. GM only runs its V8s down to two cylinders, but claims it can boost fuel economy by more than 10%. Well now Tula is applying the same concept to electric motors. They call it “Pulsed Electric Motor Control” and it pulses energy to an electric motor to make it more efficient. Tula claims it can boost overall efficiency of a BEV by 2% which could allow an automaker to remove $400 worth of batteries, or get more driving range, or reduce the size of the electric motor. You can get more info from Wards Intelligence, but it is behind a paywall.
FORD UNVEILS ELECTRIC TRANSIT
Ford gave us more info about the electric version of its Transit van. The eTransit, as they call it, will be offered in 25 configurations in Europe and 8 in North America. That includes 3 roof heights, 3 lengths and a chassis cab or cutaway version. It’s powered by an electric motor that develops 266 horsepower, or 198 kilowatts, as well as 317-pound-feet-of-torque. Its 67-kWh battery will deliver 126 miles of range with the low roof version. It will come with a 2.4-kW generator to provide electric power for tools at work sites. To help convince fleets to buy the eTransit, Ford will offer an 8 year, 100,000-mile warranty on the EV powertrain. It says owners will have 40% lower maintenance costs over that time frame. European versions will be built in Otosan, Turkey, while North American versions will be made in Kansas City. When it goes on sale in late 2021, it will have a starting price just under $45,000.
ANALYST PREDICTS CYBERTRUCK WILL OUTSELL COMPETITION
On Autoline This Week the topic is electric pickup trucks. Warren Browne is an analyst who did a deep dive into how these trucks will sell. He’s not very optimistic, with one exception: Tesla’s Cybertruck. Here’s why he thinks the Cybertruck will outsell all the others.
“I don’t see the Cybertruck fitting that mold in terms of a wildcard. However, just like the original minivans, the demand for Cybertruck, given its price, assuming that Musk is accurate on its price, and he’s done nothing but lower his price since he’s gotten to the market, so you’ve got to take a look at that avenue, right? Given the Cybertrucks price it may generate volume just like the minivan did from outside the traditional segment. So my bandwidth on Cybertruck is very, very wide and they’re the highest volume entry in my forecast.”
Of course, you can watch that entire show, and it’s jam packed with great info on electric pickups, on our website or our YouTube channel.
BMW CEO WANTS TO STRENGTHEN TOYOTA PARTNERSHIP
Investing in future technologies requires huge sums of money being dedicated to those efforts. It’s one of the reasons we’re seeing so many companies joining forces and BMW’s CEO, Oliver Zipse says he’d like to strengthen its bonds with Toyota. The two obviously share a sports car platform for the Supra and Z4, but also currently collaborate on fuel cell cars. Zipse would like to see those efforts continue on beyond 2025. BMW is going to cut costs by slimming down its lineup, which will require a review of coupes, convertibles and roadsters. So, it’s not surprising to see the German automaker want to continue its partnership with Toyota on sports cars.
NEW BRONCO OPTIMIZED FOR CAMPING
We know Ford is going after Jeep’s off-road crown with the all-new Bronco and is looking for ways to set itself apart. One such area it focused on is off-road camping. So, it designed in as much interior space as it could. With the front seats forward, the rear seat folded down and the tailgate closed on a Bronco 4-door, there’s 6-feet 6-inches of space. An optional slide-out tailgate that comes next year extends that by more than a foot. Ford even carved out an additional 10-inches of elbow room from the door area to increase the interior width to 3-feet 7-inches. And for the ultimate star gazing experience, the Bronco 4-door is offered in a variety of removable tops.
VW CREATES COLORFUL BEETLE OUT OF MILLIONS OF BEADS
I have to admit I’m a sucker for vehicles with anything stuck, glued, painted or etched all over their bodies. Doesn’t matter if it’s pennies, stickers or tattooed on koi fish. So, you can bet I was geeked over this classic VW Beetle that features almost 2.3 million glass beads laid into geometric patterns and depicting animals and crops. The vehicle pays homage to an indigenous group from Mexico. It took a team of 8 artists from the group over 9,000 hours to apply the beads by hand, sticking them on with resin. The work is impeccable, it’s breathtaking and I’m in awe. I’m sure I could spend hours looking at it in person. When not on loan, the car is parked at a museum in Mexico City.
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November 13th, 2020 at 12:20 pm
I’m certain the new Bronco will do very well. However, if they’re really looking to lay the smack down on Jeep maybe they should consider filming one of these: https://youtu.be/pfy9a_gVVAM
November 13th, 2020 at 12:21 pm
I love art cars too Sean. So much more interesting than 13 colours of grey/black from BMW. Any colour is a plus. I like the Subaru Crosstrek and Toyota Rav4 colours. I don’t understand the difference but they are just straight ahead colour. Wouldn’t it be great to have a system for ordinary cars to get colourized but in a way that keeps them practical for the street.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:32 pm
2 Rav4 doesn’t have much color choice in the US, with only two real colors, one shade each of red and blue, to go with black, white, and two shades of grey. In the 1950s, and even the ’60s, there was a lot of color choice. Now, there’s almost none. It’s even worse with car interiors.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:35 pm
That electric Transit van is the first non-Tesla that appeals to me. With a wheelchair ramp and windows, it would be perfect patient and handicapped transport. It would also make a nice emergency vehicle.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:38 pm
@Albemarle – It would be awesome if we could add a little more color or paint design to ordinary vehicles that’s still practical.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:39 pm
I don’t see much connection between Cybertruck and minivans, but I certainly agree with Warren Browne that Cybertruck will outsell all of these other BEV trucks we’re hearing about. It has two big things going for it, the Tesla cult following, and if what Elon has been saying is correct, much lower price, with the base, RWD version for ~$40K. From what we’ve heard so far, the others will probably be at least $60K in their cheapest forms.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:42 pm
2&5 Sure there are color choices. Its called wraps. Get any color design or graphic you like. Cheaper than having the car painted.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:45 pm
The electric Transit should be great for plumbers, etc., who work locally during the day, and can charge it overnight at home. The range vs price compromise should be a good one for that type of use. The 126 mile range should also be adequate for delivery use many places. Of course, the tall ones will have less range.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:50 pm
Optimizing the Bronco for camping is a nice feature but I really wonder how often anyone uses it like that. I guess it cant hurt to provide a spacious interior but how many people will really sleep in the truck?
November 13th, 2020 at 12:52 pm
Dodge Challenger has more color choice than most of today’s cars, but it looks like Plum Crazy and that lime green color are not currently available.
https://www.dodge.com/bmo.html?sid=1037056&KWNM=dodge.com&KWID=43700041640135011&TR=1&channel=paidsearch&ds_rl=1268726&ds_rl=1267901&ds_rl=1273014&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-rj9BRCAARIsANB_4ABWKKhq8sxa_PLDe7DkDJskS9641XpzghxebJYjd9bzJOCl3o-BXVUaAs7qEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#/build/exterior/32931/CUD202003LADP22D/2DH/APA,PCD,X9,EZC,DEC,TR9,WHK,H7,UAG,22H
November 13th, 2020 at 12:55 pm
9 Yeah, people who want to sleep in their vehicles buy vans. I occasionally sleep in my minivan, and people who want to sleep in, and carry a motorcycle in a van buy larger ones. A friend recently got a long, tall Transit van for that.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:56 pm
If the Cybertruck sells well it will be because of the following Elon has, not that it’s a great truck. The large sail panels will make it impossible to reach over the side of the truck to get something out of the bed. Just ask any owner of the first generation Ridgeline. The stainless steel panels sound great on paper but, in the real world they just don’t work. You can not fix scratches and dents. We have seen this before with the DeLorean. The Tesla stylist\designer has never done a truck and it shows.
November 13th, 2020 at 12:56 pm
Hey Sean I received an e-mail from Harley Davidson offering a $2000 HD card with the purchase of the new live wire bike MSRP $30,120 with a $350 destination charge.
So already struggling to find buyers for this overpriced bike with only a 95 mile combined range. Not sure who is going to buy that other than collectors but offering $2000 rebate tells me its not selling.
November 13th, 2020 at 1:11 pm
13 People buy Harleys for the “mystique,” and to make noise. The Live Wire checks neither box. I don’t think even Zero electric bikes are selling too well, and they are a much better value, and work pretty well. I test rode one about a year ago and liked it, but I’m not in the market for a bike.
November 13th, 2020 at 1:50 pm
Not that it matters to Elon Musk, but Labrador in Canada already has hydro electricity it cannot get rid of (Churchill Falls) and an enormous nickel mine (Voisey’s Bay). If Elon provides jobs the power and nickel is just waiting for him.
November 13th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
1 I am intrigued why you are ‘certain’ the new Bronco will do very well. First, could you define ‘very well’ specifically in terms of units sold? and Second, is this prediction just for the first year, or does it continue when its novelty wears out a few months later?
6. Browne made a general point that the CT will do well because of its much lower price compared to every other BEV truck. It was unneccessary to use minivans as an example, this is true for any car segment. The Cybertruck was developed as kind of a joke, and it looks line one, just for fun, Musk said. Its weird looks may attract fans of that POS the De Lorean, and also .. Trekkies. It has this flavor of bad Sci Fi shows and movies. I don;t know how many losers still go to Star Trek COnventions, or if they have a driver’s license, much less if they have the $ to get one.
4. While I also liked the Transit BEV, even its exterior styling, it is really disappointing that in the BEST case (lower roof) they can only squeeze a pitiful 123 miles from a 67 KWH battery. Tesla usually gets TWICE the miles from such a large battery. Also, what is the price of the ICE Transit? If it is half the $45,000, the BEV will not sell well.
November 13th, 2020 at 1:57 pm
The Cyber truck has always looked like a van with the back cut off at an angle. Is there a plan for a Cyber van? ie same vehicle but without the back cut off?
November 13th, 2020 at 2:07 pm
Sean, I noticed that the BMW Z4 has a wheelbase and width (97 in, 73 in) that is not much different that the original swb E type Jag (96 in, 65 in). If BMW needs another partner for their sports car, how about Jaguar with a “reborn” E-type. The weight and power seems to work out as well!
November 13th, 2020 at 2:27 pm
16.4 Even the “low” Transit van is 82 inches high, and 80 inches wide. It is a big vehicle, so comparing range/kWh of battery with any Tesla is absurd. There is no similarity in the vehicles. The tallest Teslas, Models X and Y, are 64 inches tall.
The cheapest gas Transit cargo van is ~$36K.
November 13th, 2020 at 2:52 pm
The Cybertruck is quite an ugly truck. Who in their mind, except Tesla fans, would buy such homely looking truck even if it’s cheap? Elon Musk promoting what he thinks again as being the best. I’m sure he’s got to be worried about his competitors who will have electric trucks that look like a truck….not like something someone built in their garage.
November 13th, 2020 at 3:07 pm
usually I don’t watch ATW, recently the topics were too much about AVs and mobility and other topics I’m not too interested in, but the ATW linked in today’s transcript is much more interesting. I am watching it now. Browne has been following pickups for almost 50 years, and he makes a convincing presentation.
November 13th, 2020 at 3:14 pm
19 not at all. The Transit is just all empty space, it’s not a heavy vehicle like the F 150 and its variants. It is made in Turkey for the EUro market, where vans are usually pretty small, and it has always been a rather SMALL van. On top of this, it does not need to go fast, it will be going slowly around town for most of its miles, so, 100% UNLIKE what you claim, if it was designed INTELLIGENTLY, it should be able to get far more than 126 miles from a 68kwh battery.
November 13th, 2020 at 3:20 pm
Ford really missed a opportunity to tie the new van to the old one. Why they didn’t call it the Transit E series seems like a miss to me.
November 13th, 2020 at 3:41 pm
22 The smallest Transit is 220 inches long, 82 inches high, and 81 inches wide, without mirrors. It weighs about 5000 pounds, with the non-turbo V6. Yes, for local deliveries, it wouldn’t need to go fast, and when driven slowly, its actual range might be better, relative to the EPA numbers, than most EVs.
To you, I guess an “intelligently” designed cargo van would be 55 inches tall. Whatever you say.
November 13th, 2020 at 3:51 pm
22 You don’t seem to know the difference between a Transit, the one this EV is based on, and the much smaller Transit Connect, the one formerly made in Turkey, now made in Spain for the US market.
November 13th, 2020 at 3:51 pm
What I found interesting about ATW is the number of 1/2 ton trucks sold in the USA for over $60,000. That number according to Browne is 95,000 trucks total. That is amazing insight and goes against the perception that everyone is buying super expensive luxury 1/2 ton trucks. They simply are not.
November 13th, 2020 at 4:02 pm
26 Yeah, not too many over $60K, but a lot of them over $50K. According to Edmunds and J.D. Power, the average price of new pickups is about $50K.
November 13th, 2020 at 4:31 pm
27) you have to be careful with that number. It likely includes 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. That’s why I found the number so fascinating. It isolated the total truck numbers that get commonly shared and broke it into the proper segment. I suspect the vast majority of 1/2 tons are fleet sales single cab 2wd which you can get in the 30s. I suspect the average 1/2 transaction is mid to high 40s.
November 13th, 2020 at 4:35 pm
28) Update, Edmunds put the 1/2 average at $48,377.
November 13th, 2020 at 5:04 pm
Just by happenstance, I recently looked at truck prices at various dealers. Most were in the $50′s and mid-size hovered around $40-$43K.
I always thought RAM was about $10K cheaper but I didn’t see it. I thought Toyota mid-size was less expensive than others but that,too, was not the case. I wonder if rebates and dealer discounting favors one brand over the other.
November 13th, 2020 at 5:20 pm
I just checked the Silverado 1500 inventory at the local dealer in Cocoa, Florida, and it looks like they are discounting them a lot, especially the 2020s. The MSRPs of the cheapest ones are in the mid $40s, but they show “net price” of ~37K for most of them. A “High Country” with an MSRP of $66,690 is shown with a net price of $57,090.
November 13th, 2020 at 5:22 pm
I just viewed an article that Rivian and Ford have patents to extend the range of their electric pickups. Rivian’s idea is a removable battery pack that fits in the bed behind the cab. Ford ‘s similar idea is a gas generator to extend the driving range.
My take is that both are heavy to remove if needed. I’m curious if the battery pack can be charged when the main plug-in is used and the added time it takes.
I don’t know what to make of Ford’s idea. My first thought was, why not just buy a house generator, then get the proper adaptor that Ford uses. Not sure if I’m sold on any of these ideas.
November 13th, 2020 at 5:33 pm
32 It probably takes some special electronics to be able to charge from a generator while driving, if it can do that. The whole idea of the generator sounds stupid, and probably environmentally much worse that just driving a gas truck. The generator probably doesn’t meet vehicle emission controls, but even if it does, the overall efficiency is probably less than a gas vehicle without all of the conversion loss.
With the battery in the bed, maybe you can use two chargers at a charge station and speed things up.
November 13th, 2020 at 5:42 pm
Ford E-Transit range
Quote from Ford direct/
TAILORED RANGE
By leveraging more than 30 million miles of Ford Telematics™ data, we learned that the average daily range for commercial vans in the U.S. is 74 miles. Of course we also understand that there are days when those distances are higher, and recognize the need to adjust for factors such as cold weather. We consequently designed E-Transit with a targeted 126 miles of range (Cargo Van low-roof models).
/Unquote.
I have to agree Ford’s quoted range is low compared to our usual (EVial?) culprits, but frontal area and the dimensionless coefficient of drag will substantially affect it, especially at higher speeds.
So how much of the EPA standard is based on highway speeds matters, and how that diverges from actual vehicle use.
Commercial vans certainly have enormous potential for electrification.
November 13th, 2020 at 6:00 pm
34) Thinking as if I were a commercial van driver, I would have the heater on most of the time in the winter. So real winter range would be around 80 miles. Since the average is 74 miles/day, I fret the thought of being out in the bad part of town or in the rurals with no heat or power to get home. My backup kit would include STERNO and a hand gun.
November 13th, 2020 at 6:12 pm
A heat pump like Tesla now uses would help in that respect, but it’s definitely a point worth noting. Especially if there’s a lot of stop-open-close-open-close-go involved.
On the other hand, with 62 kWh of battery capacity, you can burn through quite some energy. Maybe that explains the unexpectedly low quoted range.
And there’s always the below median range part of the market. Commercial vehicles operate in predictable areas.
November 13th, 2020 at 6:40 pm
34 Here’s some info about how the EPA tests range of EVs, and measure MPGe. As with mpg of gas cars, the range ratings are downwardly adjust to more closely reflect reality.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/08/18/how-does-epa-calculate-electric-car-range/
I suspect Ford just picked an initial battery size for the van, as a compromise between price and range. Businesses will buy, or not buy it based on the range needed for their purposes. With a big, flat floored box like the Transit, there is probably room to more than double that 67 kWh battery, if they decide that there are customers willing to pay for it.
November 13th, 2020 at 6:42 pm
They could put a gasoline heater in the electric Transit, like were sometimes used in VW Beetles, Corvairs, and air cooled Porsches.
November 14th, 2020 at 4:57 am
34 Kit – Thank you, very useful.
Ford put together a nifty page that’s worth looking at. This is a well thought-out solution for diverse transportion needs and not just an afterthought (like the hybrid in Europe).
https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/e-transit/2022/
I appreciate details like the note that 67kWh is the battery’s usable capacity. And that remote pre-conditioning is available.
Also, different battery-packs may be added later, which makes a lot of sense in a fleet context where the vehicle mix can be tailored to the tasks.
I think SAAB in its heydays once offered an optional heat-storage device for its cars. In Norway, some parking lots come with connections to engine-block heaters.
And of course anyone who’s driven a modern Diesel without additional electric compensators knows how flippin’ long it can take until you get some warmth on a winter’s day.
November 14th, 2020 at 6:26 am
39 only dinosaur diesels had such problems. Maybe in WW II at the RUssian front? My 2007 and 2008 are hardly “modern” and they NEVER, EVER failed to start IMMEDIATELY regardless if it was -20 or -40 F in the morning. And last winter, as I had filled the garage with some of the 200 heavy boxes of books I would move in March, the car was outside overnight all the time.
November 14th, 2020 at 6:32 am
Here we see several small and more affordable VOlvos than the one in front of me, blocking my way, and as slow as molasses, I saw last Fri as I did the scenic drive to my weekly shopping.
It was a top of the line XC 90 Breadvan on stilts, with a sign on the right that must have been “V8″ (it looked almost a 6 but I don’t think VOlvo offers 6s on this model).
TO make matters worse, I was late for a 1 PM appointment (it was 12:45 PM and it was a half hour drive back)
the country road had just one lane each way and there was enough traffic to make passing this hippopotamus risky, so I waited and waited (about 5 mins) as this jerk drove the V8 at what seemed like 20-30 MPH. Finally he turned left and made my day. He (not 100% sure if it was a he or a she or an it driving it) was the proud recipient of my immense middle finger.
November 14th, 2020 at 7:06 am
39 Yep, my 2004 VW TDI warmed up slowly, especially at low speed/light load. Diesels warm up slowly because they are efficient, not burning as much fuel as gas engines. Also, because they don’t normally have throttle valves, they are pumping a lot of air through the engine, providing engine cooling “internally,” so less heat goes to the cooling system than a gas engine.
40 Did you even read Sean’s post? He didn’t say anything about starting difficulties with diesels.
November 14th, 2020 at 7:24 am
42 Kit – Precisely.
November 16th, 2020 at 8:54 am
The E-Transit is $10K more then the ICE transit. I think this is priced correctly for the right user. It isn’t going to work for everyone, particularly the rural deliveries in northern climates because of range, but that is OK. That is why the ICE transit still exists.
From what I can see, the current ICE Transit has a $0.20 cost per mile to run. Not sure what the cost per mile is for the E-Transit just yet. Assuming it was half of the ICE variant, then you would break even on it. I could see the running costs being 50% of the ICE if charging was done off peak and factoring in the reduced maintenance schedule.
Ford could put a larger battery in the transit and give it more range, but it appears that they are trying to keep it to that $10,000 price difference so that the math works out to a break even scenario for a large cross section of their buyers.
November 16th, 2020 at 10:55 am
44 Yeah if companies that operate within that EV range bought EVs and installed their own charging infrastructure it could have a decent impact on pollution and the sales of EVs. Would it be enough to bring battery prices down?
This whole pandemic thing could help EVs too as more and more restaurants and stores are offering delivery service themselves or at least through a third party.
In metropolitan areas where a person can get almost anything delivered to them, and ride sharing some folks like retirees may not need a car anymore.
November 16th, 2020 at 11:09 am
45) As many small businesses offer delivery services, they do so just to stay afloat and cannot afford to purchase any vehicle. If they begin to open their doors by next year, then they are stuck with payments on a vehicle with a rather low range, plus fewer deliveries.
November 16th, 2020 at 12:06 pm
I’d think a moderate range electric version of Ford’s smaller van, the Transit Connect, would be good for deliveries of restaurant food, etc., if the price could be kept reasonable, like ~$30K.