AD #2979 – UAW Agrees to Independent Oversight; VTOLs Tested for Emergency Use; Ford Mustang Mach-E Impressions

December 15th, 2020 at 11:41am

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Runtime: 10:48

0:38 UAW Agrees to Independent Oversight
1:32 VTOLs Tested for Emergency Use
2:27 Baidu Considers Contract Manufactured EV
2:56 Daimler Joins Hydrogen Collaboration
4:42 Zoox Shows First Autonomous Shuttle
5:36 Control Massage Seats from Your Phone
6:12 Faurecia Keeps Sun from Washing Out Screens
7:08 Driving Ford’s Mustang Mach-E

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28 Comments to “AD #2979 – UAW Agrees to Independent Oversight; VTOLs Tested for Emergency Use; Ford Mustang Mach-E Impressions”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I don’t like the Tesla’esk tablet that the MachE emulates, and I’m not crazy about the MachE’s front view, but it should be a good vehicle for those so inclined. This will be a good test to see if there are ‘closet’ EV buyers out there. If sales are soft then I’m guessing the electric revolution will be slower than predicted.

  2. Drew Says:

    MotorTrend said the MachE’s braking was very good in the 1-pedal operation mode. Still, it’s strange the 2-pedal mode lacks the seamless operation that other Fords have mastered for over a decade.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    Why are all VTOLs multiple motor units? Is it just so they can utilize the stability software that was developed for drones making them easier to fly? eliminating the tail rotor Or is it a safety back up to have multiple rotors? All of the above?
    I’m just asking cause I wonder why no one has converted the old helo design into an EV. Could they manufacture a conventional design powered by an electric motor?

  4. Max Says:

    Interior design on all of these cars with infotainment screens in the center console could sure be improved. How? Angle the screen towards the driver, instead of having it just be flat in the middle. It wouldn’t have to be much of an angle, maybe 20 to 25 degrees. But just imagine how much better the view and the accessibility to the screen would be for the driver. I’m old enough to remember the late 60′s and early 70′s full size Fords with their “wrap around dash”. It was almost like a cockpit and truly served the driver well. These huge screens could do the same thing, if only the manufacturers applied a little bit of angle to them. Here is what the Fords looked like:

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean is the Mach-E a brake by wire system?
    Overall seems to be a decent vehicle and for those interested in a EV the Mach-E will offer a nice option. Personally I still think the EV revolution is going to take way longer than currently predicted. At least within the US. I think we will see a much better acceptance to EVs with fleets, commercial use like delivery vehicles and mass transit with personal transportation taking a much longer time to accept.
    The problem seems to be that manufacturers still think that an commercial EV has to also be AV. They continue to force these technologies together and I believe EVs are being held back by AV technology. Develop delivery vehicles that are still human driven and corporations can still justify their higher costs with the less maintenance and downtime.

    If anyone would build an EV delivery vehicle with 500K miles in mind. A company can justify the extra cost of an EV but they need the longevity out of them to make the higher cost make sense. They cant compete on MSRP alone they need to make them affordable when compared to lifetime of use. IMO


    I was looking at the MACH-E website today. I have an interest in it as it has good range and performance. Then I got to the price. $50K in the configuration I wanted which was basically a base model with the larger battery pack. It is way too much money. I am sure it will compete well with the TESLA model Y, but I am not a buyer for either vehicle at $50k. That is too much money for a depreciating asset.

  7. DanaPointJohn Says:

    I drove the Mach-E at the Los Angeles press event and was very impressed. I did not notice the brake pedal issue, as I was diving deep into corners in the mountains above Malibu. Ford’s version of one pedal driving, without paddles, took a bit to learn, but in the end was easy to use. I wish it had a volume and channel knob for the sound system, but that is a rant for another day!

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    4 I would like the center mounted screen more if they allowed it to swivel about 30 degrees toward the driver or 30 deg toward the passenger. With the ability to turn on some of the functions while facing the passenger that are normally shut off for a driver. I really dislike map functions being shut off while driving that my passenger could manage without having to stop the vehicle or distract the driver.. However as Carplay and Android Auto become more mainstream that’s not even as much of a problem.

  9. Wim van Acker Says:

    @1, 2, 5, 6, Sean on Mustang Mach-E: I had the opportunity to drive a pre-production vehicle in September and it has been an amazing experience. The vehicle I drove will have a $44k MSRP, and would qualify for a $7k tax break, so would have a $37k net price. What an amazing vehicle in terms of performance and features: auto pilot and many other great electronics. I am puzzled by Sean’s report about the braking pedal. I have driven the vehicle for 40 miles and never used the brakes. The vehicle always stopped itself for vehicles waiting for traffic lights on energy recovery mode. After five minutes I thought by myself: “Why would you drive any car but this one?”. The vehicle has a lot of space and the hatch door is very practical. I had another vehicle on order for myself which was about to be delivered, so I was not in the market. My wife will be in June and I highly recommend her to look at the Mach-E. My son has ordered the performance version which will be delivered late summer of 2021. I am expecting that Ford Motor Company will become very successful with this vehicle.

  10. Mac Says:

    I have no use for the Mach-E. I regularly make a 435 mile from my home. It takes me about 7 hours including a couple pit stops along the way. Long drive, but worth it. The problem is, there are only 2 cities along this route with charging stations — 1 at 275 miles and the other at 350 miles. Can’t make the second one with a 311 mile [optimistic] range, so that means a 30 minute charge at the first to get to the second, where an additional 30+ minute charge would be needed just to get to my destination. So, my 7 hour drive turns into at least an 8+ hour trip, and that doesn’t allow me any “running around” range when I arrive. TNT!

  11. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lambo #5 – I think batteries and electric motors have shown that they can be very durable. And when considering costs, don’t forget about the maintenance savings, which could be huge over the life of a vehicle, especially for fleets.

  12. 2doorit Says:

    If there was a two door version of the Mach-E it wouldn’t look so much like an electric Escape and more like it’s namesake the Mustang.

  13. XA351GT Says:

    Now if they could sync up the electric motors with the exhaust note of a V8 ICE they might interest a Mustang buyer that needs more doors , but without the noise it’s not a Mustang. Electric cars sound like giant slot cars on a basketball court.

  14. Wim van Acker Says:

    @13: we will learn whether the sound is the most important. Next year’s enhanced version will be the fastest Mustang ever built. I am expecting that there will be two kinds of people: those who want noise and those who want performance.

  15. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, With all major European truck and van makers planning to go diesel free, where do they think the diesel fuel is going to go? Diesel is a fixed percentage of each barrel of oil. You can split diesel into high and low percentage carbon compounds ( ie asphalt and methane) but you cannot get rid of the carbon. It still has to go somewhere.

  16. Joe G Says:

    13- Ford took that into account with the MachE. In ‘unbridled’ mode they pipe engine sound into the cabin. I only heard this on a video a while back, but I really thought it sounded cool, and I own four Mustangs! Maybe Sean or John can speak to this.

  17. Wim van Acker Says:

    @15: no, you cannot split diesel fuel in asphalt and methane. Diesel fuel is around C-7 (7 linear Carbon atoms), bitumen is around C-200 and methane (“natural gas”) is C-1. The fraction most similar to diesel fuel is kerosene (aviation fuel) and I expect the demand for kerosene will continue to grow for years to come so that is where it will go.

  18. Wim van Acker Says:

    @15, just in case you are interested the following. If TMI, please skip. You could also increase gasoline production. First the basics. Diesel fuel, kerosene, fuel oil, and bitumen are all straight chain Hydrocarbons, meaning linear molecules. Gasoline are cyclic hydrocarbons with a similar number of C’s as diesel fuel, which are artificially produced during petroleum refining. In nature straight molecules are stable forever, cyclic molecules are not. That is why gasoline “goes bad” after 1.5 year and petroleum does not, not even hundreds of millions of years after formation. The touch of cyclic hydrocarbons is also very different: when you touch diesel oil, or petroleum freshly produced out of the reservoir it feels “fatty”, “oily” (like olive oil) and gasoline feels “dry”.

  19. Max Says:

    #8 A swivel would be a great idea! I just think it’s so awkward with the current set up. With the screens pointed more toward the driver, it would be a straight shot to do whatever you need to do rather than having to bend your wrist to get to it.

  20. Don Sherman Says:

    Mach E center of gravity height is higher than a regular Mustang coupe’s.

  21. Wim van Acker Says:

    @20: by how much?

  22. Wim van Acker Says:

    Zoox: has the Zoox been designed by Samsonite designers?

  23. cwolf Says:

    Zoox not by Samsonite. Designed by Yeti…it looks cooler!

  24. Bobby T Says:

    Lots of great conversation today! Such an improvement over the recent past.

  25. cwolf Says:

    After looking at the Zoox and a few other EV’s makes me wonder why so much enphasis is on the aerodynamics of the rest; They all look alike!
    I would prefer a “city car” size that has character, knowing it will be charged at home most of the time and long distance trips wouldnt’t exceed a 100 mile radius. IMO, this is where the focus should be.
    But I do have my eye on the Mustang because I come from a ford family.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 I suspect electric rotorcraft are multirotor, for mechanical simplicity. All control can be done by controlling motor speed, without need for collective or cyclic pitch.

  27. Dave Foley Says:

    The dash of that Mach-E is one of the most self-indulgent and hideous disasters out there. It’s like PODS gone crazy! “Look at me! I got tha tech ya want!!! It looks ugly, sure, but isn’t it SO techy??”.

    t has all the style of hot glueing a rotary phone and an iPod to the dashboard. Absolutely lazy interior design. It looks like what a ‘future car’ interior might look like, on a never-to-be-seen-again concept car from the 80′s.

    Sadly, this disaster is not the only car afflicted by this design laziness.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    27 Dang Dave you really don’t like it.
    Sadly I think its the way of the future of EVs as the simplicity of a small screen centered through the steering wheel and the large tablet to handle all the infotainment and climate controls is all that’s needed.
    I think manufacturers are trying to appeal to buyers of EVs by emphasising the simplicity of an EV by keeping the dash simple and basic. No need for a oil pressure, coolant temp, Tach, even fuel gauge. The driver just needs speed and battery indicator.
    I agree with you though and I’m not a big fan of the dual screen and some vents and looks too basic and plain. I’m over 50 though so maybe this plain look is what the younger generation looks for in a car. Obviously much simpler.