AD #3002 – U.S. Federal Fleet Going Electric; Lotus Announces New Sports Car Family; Odyssey Loses HondaVac for 2022

January 26th, 2021 at 11:48am

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Runtime: 9:08

0:07 Federal Fleet Being Replaced by U.S.-Made EVs
0:42 Shell Buying UK Charging Company Ubitricity
1:23 Automotive Stock Performances
3:36 Ford’s Design Leader, Moray Callum, Retiring
4:17 BMW Motorrad Drops Out of Major Trade Shows
5:13 Mitsubishi Teases All-New Outlander
5:49 Lotus Announces New Sports Car Family
6:47 Odyssey Loses HondaVac After Supplier Goes Under
7:23 JLR Lightweighting EVs for Bigger Batteries
8:09 Volvo Safety Sunday

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36 Comments to “AD #3002 – U.S. Federal Fleet Going Electric; Lotus Announces New Sports Car Family; Odyssey Loses HondaVac for 2022”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Chances are Volvo won’t be giving away any cars, as a safety is scored in only about one NFL game in 14.

  2. Roger Says:

    The government and auto manufacturers continue their push for EV’s. My question is where is all this extra electricity going to come from? The US power grid is already pushed to its limits and much of the infrastructure is past due for replacement and upgrading.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    I understand the thinking with manufacturers wanting to have there own show but many people- like me- do not live near these areas and travel to come see the show. We aren’t going to make the trip over and over again to see each manufacturer’s coming out day. Seems short sighted to me.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 A few weeks ago, I determined that adding 100 million EVs would only increase US electricity use by about 10%. The issue will be places to charge the cars, more than the power generation, especially if cars are charged mainly at off-peak times.

  5. John Says:

    As automotive media sources indicate, it would be easier to find a government in a developed country that isn’t moving towards EV. To make the change, the US is making a big push to develop a green infrastructure to meet the demand. For the near-term the fleet is going to remain a mix of power sources. Underdeveloped countries will be dependent on fossil fuels for a longer period of time, so manufacturers are going to have to address all recipients.

  6. ChuckGrenci Says:

    2, I somewhat agree, though since the uptake of BEV’s is still small and (I think) going to be slower than some of these predictions, power may be able to keep up. I’ll add a question: where are they going to get all these EV buyers that they speak of?

    1, Kit, I don’t know this for sure, but don’t a lot of these giveaways get backed by insurance companies that back the guarantee payout if it transpires. So maybe Volvo puts upfront money to the insurance company of a lower amount and the insurance company ‘takes the bet’ (that it won’t happen); the payout?

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 On the possible car give away, I suspect Volvo/Geely would be taking their own bet. Two million would be a small amount to a large company like that.

  8. Buzzerd Says:

    @7 I would agree, it’s a gorilla advertising kind of approach. Throw out something like that, sit back and watch everyone advertise for you for free, didn’t even have to pay the NFL their pound of flesh.

  9. cwolf Says:

    To be honest, I doubt I would take any Geely product.
    It is a sad day when this football game, that is as American as apple pie, becomes sponsored by the Chinese!!! I wonder how long it will take to learn a lesson that China will do anything to own you.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It will be interesting to see what the new Lotuses will be like. The outgoing ones are, basically, street legal race cars, and very “rough around the edges” compared to most cars. I suspect they will try to add a little “luxury” to the new ones, to make them a little closer to Cayman/Boxster in that regard.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 Lotus is also Geely, or at least partly so.

  12. Kevin A Says:

    It seems a little bit two faced when Americans criticize Chinese consumers who stopped buying Japanese or South Korean cars then China had issues with those countries but think that it is perfectly normal, maybe even patriotic, for American consumers to boycott Chinese vehicles when the American government has issues with China. A real car guy buys the best car period and leaves his politics at home. As a Canadian, I can say that, since the US and Japan long ago destroyed the car industry in my country.

  13. GM Veteran Says:

    Its interesting that Lotus is going to redo their entire lineup, unless that falls apart like it did the last time, but I digress.

    At least two EV companies have launched their businesses by converting Lotus Elise models to electric power. So, I guess its about time that Lotus jumps in too. For those of you wondering, the two companies are Tesla and Detroit Electric. One decidedly more successful than the other.

  14. Wim van Acker Says:

    @9, 11: Daimler is at least 14.7% Chinese-owned (Tenaciou3 Prospect Investment Limited and BAIC Group).

  15. wmb Says:

    #9) cwolf, I see your point, but how much of the players uniforms, padding, the turf the play on, the audio/video equipment, screens and televisions we watch the game on, are made in the US, but come from that region of the world? Yet I don’t think that that knowledge alone will stop anyone from watching the Super Bowl.

    Regarding Lotus, I just don’t understand where they fit in the Geeky family tree. Volvo has made it clear, that they are going to be a manufacturer of premium/luxury BEV’S. Yet Polstar was set to be the step up from Volvo, as they would build luxury BEV sports cars from their platforms. Lotus, when they were “purchased” by Geely, was going to follow Porches example, by adding a Volvo sourced CUV and build up their product line from the back of this potential crossover Cash Cow! Now they seem to be taking the EV route, which seems to put them head to head with Polstar in the Geeky portfolio. I get it, that a common BEV architecture would save cost for all of Geely’s brands, but what isn’t clear, to me anyway, is how they the will keep Polstar and Lotus from over lapping. Adding to that, isn’t Lotus claim to fame ‘incredible handling through light weight’? EV’s and light weight are as close as the sun rise is to night fall! I guess they have a plan and we’ll see how it plays out in the next few years.

  16. Mac Says:

    I would echo #2′s (Roger)comment on availability of electricity for all these new proposed EVs. As a 40 year veteran of the electrical industry, I’ve been puzzled for the past 10 years about these pie-in-the-sky proposals. At last count, only 18 of the 50 states are neutral or positive in their generation capacity vs. usage, and that’s at peak generating capacity. California, for example, operates at ~30% production deficit and again, that’s at peak generating capacity. That’s one reason the state is actively talking about rationing power in the short term. This appears to me to be the “800 lb gorilla” sitting in the corner about which few industry professionals are talking.

  17. XA351GT Says:

    I suggest anyone interested in EVs to go to TFLcars youtube page and watch there shootout between the tesla Model 3 and the Mach E . None of the public chargers that they used charge anywhere close to the rates advertised and it took 3 different chargers to get the Mach E to charge at all. Can you imagine the carnage that will happen when 10 people want to charge and 2 chargers function as they should and still take 3 times as long as promised ? As long as these are still issues EVs will never be mainstream . The government can push rope as much as they want it won’t get them anywhere. Are you really surprised that Biden had no details ? He just throws crap out there with no real idea of how to accomplish what he is trying to push. It’s going to be a long bumpy 4 years .

  18. Drew Says:

    17 – Kennedy had no idea how to land a man on the moon, but he set the goal for the experts to target. Biden may not be a Kennedy, but it’ll be interesting to see how the GAO and Department of Transportation handle the challenge.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 When I first knew of the Tesla Roadster based on the Elise, I never would have imagined what Tesla would become.

    12 I have a Canadian car, my 1989 Dodge Caravan, from Windsor, Ontario. I think Chrysler minivans are still made in Windsor, but a huge GM complex in Oshawa is now gone, or mostly gone.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 I suspect Lotus’s new product will remain a hard core sports car, while the Polestar stuff is, and will remain more semi-luxury.

    Electricity generating capacity is increasing, much of the increase being renewable. The issue with charging EVs away from home, except Tesla, is getting the electricity to the cars, kind of like a major issue with covid vaccine is getting it into people’s arms.

    16 What do state lines have to do with electricity production? It would seem that density populated areas would be “importing” power from less densely populated areas, which might be on the other side of a state line.

    17 The Mach-E will be used mainly as a commuter car, charged at home, as are most EVs so far.

  21. Alex Borenstein Says:

    4 – “2 A few weeks ago, I determined. . . ”

    we can all rest easy now

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Smart a$$, I looked up total power usage in the US and found similar numbers from multiple sources. One hundred million (cars) driven 12K miles a year at 25 kWh/100 mile gave a number of kWh for the additional cars. That number divided by the total power usage in the US was about 0.1. Look up the data and calculate it yourself, if you don’t believe me. If proven wrong, I’ll readily admit it.


    At least we now know who will buy all those $70k Electric trucks since the price sensitive retail market was unlikely to buy them.

  24. merv Says:

    surprised shop vac is gone,at one time they were pretty much everywhere.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 I was surprised too. It may be because we use “shop vac” as a generic term, but maybe few of them are Shop Vac brand. Mine is Craftsman.

  26. Fstfwrd Says:

    SDG&E claimed last year to have no issues with electricity availability and at the first heat wave we had “brown outs” and they were calling for users to raise their thermostats. Even in off peak hours I’m not sure the grid can supply enough electricity to charge that many cars in So CA. I guess maybe well see. Sorry, no stats of links to support, just my gut feeling.

  27. Fstfwrd Says:

    Honda needs to team up with Dyson for a new vac.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    I noticed only Ford and GM were mentioned and not Tesla. Perhaps it is union penetration. Tesla could unionize their service centers. It would not impact service center performance yet get union credentials.

  29. XA351GT Says:

    27 the vacuum would cost as much as the car.LOL

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27,29. Maybe Hoover

  31. Bob Wilson Says:

    Perhaps Dyson might provide the Honda VAC since they stopped their EV project.


    22) I did some back of the napkin math on how many windmills need to be added to increase electric generation capacity by the 10% you determined. My back of the napkin math put it at about 64,000 new windmills. Currently there are around 58,000 windmills in the USA. So we basically need to double that if we want to charge cars using renewables. As most of the current windmills are located everywhere except the traditional south eastern US states. That is where I would propose putting another 64,000 windmills.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 There is generally a steady wind where I am in Florida, but the area is built up, so there would be no good place to put them, unless off shore. There should be a lot of good places to put them in rural areas in the southeast, but maybe the wind is not good. Solar can be good in the southeast, and there is some solar in Florida, but less than 2% of power produced.

  34. veh Says:

    Seems like solar would be a better solution in the southern states, with more consistent sunshine than we see here in the north. Every home going off the grid with their own solar power would ease the load quite a bit.

  35. John Says:

    34–Solar also works well outside of the South. There are excellent “sun ratings” in other locations. My garage faces south and my system payed for itself in three years. I’m looking at adding more. And I’m located in Oregon.

    17–Biden has people in place who are knowledgeable and understand the infrastructure issues. No, we’re not there yet, and it’ll be years to get there, but you have to start somewhere. And me, I’m glad the last four years are behind us.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 I was surprised to see that some of the states with the highest percentage of power from solar are northern, like Minnesota and Massachusetts.