AD #3050 – Volvo V90 Checks All the Boxes; Toyota #1 In American Market; MG Teases All-Electric Roadster

April 2nd, 2021 at 11:57am

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Runtime: 11:43

0:08 Toyota #1 In U.S. Market in March
0:37 Top Market Share Gainers
1:20 U.S. Car Sales Beat Analyst Expectations
1:54 Tesla Posts Impressive Q1 Sales
2:56 Stellantis Launches Fuel Cell Light Commercial Vans
4:31 Lordstown Shows Off 1st Beta Trucks
5:06 MG Teases All-Electric Roadster
5:48 Bollinger vs. ICE Chassis Cab Price Comparison
7:28 Why EVs Should “Sip” Electricity Instead of Guzzling It
9:02 Volvo V90 Checks All the Boxes

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26 Comments to “AD #3050 – Volvo V90 Checks All the Boxes; Toyota #1 In American Market; MG Teases All-Electric Roadster”

  1. Kevin A Says:

    You mean MG the Chinese brand. SAIC

  2. wmb Says:

    While the BEV “Sip” as you go may work in theory, why would that be better then just charging over night at home? Even during bad whether, most folks work and run errands in an area that is less then the 200 to 250 MPGe of a lot of the current crop of EV’s. Pulling up at home over night would compensate many/most drivers and at cost and electric grid power demand that is low. For heavy equipment, the sip as you may make more since, but wonder that they would be avle to recharge enough power to really add to their use while they were in service. A fast charger may give a car or SUV like vehicle 80% of range in 20 minutes. How much range will/can a vehicle like a bus, semi or train get and need, with their much bigger batteries, and how long would it take to recharge, especially if they are still in service? Recharging for 20 minutes may not do much for a huge bus, that is still in service.

  3. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I don’t think that range anxiety is the most dreaded thing of owning an EV; I believe that people are equating, the time to fuel, as the most aggravating, or maybe they hold these as similar enough to group them together. Even twenty minutes for 80% charge is two to four times longer than typical fluid refills. For some that is not an issue but some travelers just want to get to their destination. And I can see problems if BEV’s become widespread, heading to major destinations (think Interstate travel) and there not being enough chargers to handle the load (remembering it takes longer, and if you even have to wait for someone to finish their charge before you can hook-up yourself; whew, not happy travelers).

  4. Albemarle Says:

    With the recent announcements from the Federal government about EV charging and reduction in fossil fuel support, I think we are going to find out how inconvenient longer trips are with an EV. Personally, we have public charging anxiety, not range anxiety.

  5. Jeff Taylor Says:

    It’s my understanding that Volvo dealers don’t stock the standard wagons and they have to be special ordered. I believe the dealers only stock the cross country versions. That also probably hurts sales a lot.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 That is true, at least with a dealer I checked. I wanted to see a V90 up close, and they said they would never have one, unless a customer ordered it. I wouldn’t buy one because of the price and mediocre gas mileage, but I suspect I’d like the car. I’m still waiting for a Camry hybrid wagon. Yeah, I won’t live nearly long enough to see that.

    3 From what I can find, 70-75% of American households are free standing houses, where EVs could be charged at home. I don’t have the data, but I suspect the vast majority of those houses have more than one vehicle. In most cases, an EV, charged at home, would work well as one of those vehicles. For that reason, I think purchase price, more than range, charge time, etc. is the biggest reason there aren’t a lot more EVs being used as commuter/local use cars.

  7. Gatwn Says:

    2 For bus, taxi and other fleets, it is actually much easier, because instead of recharging, you can just swap batteries, and this will take just a few minutes, the same time it takes to gas your ICE.

  8. Warwick Dundas Says:

    Sean

    The once proud British sports car brand MG has long ago passed into Chinese hands and makes a range of hun-drum hatches, sedans and SUVs, including some BEV versions of fundamentally ICE oriented vehicles. The imagery of a sleek looking sports model is a good PR stunt to hark back to its origins, but don’t hold your breath waiting to see it on the road.

  9. cwolf Says:

    The last MG sportscar was the MGB that ended in the 70′s. I’m in contact with at least one hundred MG guys from the EU, US and Australia on a daily basis. I believe there is less than a handful who own models from the 80′s and beyond and none have any intension of buying a new one.
    The “68-69 MGC’s and B’s” are sought after because there are unlimited sources and custom shops (esp. in the EU) to increase the performance and handling drastically.
    Shorter and lower than a Vette, can you imagine the thrill of exceedind 120 mph up mountain roads, then taking the curves at 70+ mph? Remember, many of these models are so low that a taller person could almost reach out the window and touch the ground!
    This is why I find these older cars, like my “c” exhilarating.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 A couple navy friends in Scotland had Bs, and one had a Midget. I drove both of them, and they were fun cars. I got a less “fun” VW Beetle, because I was more familiar with it. The MGs in question were 1969 and 1970, and were US spec, as was my Beetle. While our left hand drive cars were less than ideal there, we were able to buy them much cheaper than the local RHD cars, and could take them with us when we left. At the time, all US spec MGs sold to US military people in the UK had wire wheels, while I think the wire wheels were an option on cars sold in the US.

  11. Warwick Dundas Says:

    The MG F (later called TF) was developed as a sports car using parts bin components to produce a vehicle which was rear engine propelled by a K series 4 cylinder. It sold in Europe, Australia and New Zealand from the 90s into about 2005.

  12. Barry Moore Says:

    Automotive News PM Newscast said that for the first quarter GM out sold Toyota by 24k units. Ford at a distant 3rd. Who is correct?

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 I think Sean just said Toyota outsold GM in March, not for the entire first quarter. An NYT article showed GM outselling Toyota for the first quarter, ~642K vs ~603K.

  14. cwolf Says:

    Kit, when I was about 20, I took the “C” to the Michigan Int. Speedway. It was a quick way to know the cars limits as well as my own. The car is more for touring and the wire wheels suffered the curves. The straights were not long enough to get the SU’s cranked up. I thought to have learned my lessen, but NOOO!
    I bought a “B” from a friend for $400 that was already modified for racing. I think the only additions I added was an extra oil cooler, a better steering, add added tri-carbs. Most of this stuff was dug out of friends stash boxes. It was tough to ballance the carbs, as I recall.
    I took this to the track and what a difference! Having a larger sway bar and steel wheels made the car zoom around corners like nobodys business. I gained an extra 20-30 mph on the straghts, too! For as much as I treasure the experience, I was always scared beyond belief.
    I sold the “B” soon after to my best friend.
    He kept it for several more years and you knew when he was coming down the road!

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13, In addition to the sway bar and stiffer wheels, I suspect the ~200 pound less weight on the front end of the B, compared to the C helped with the handling.

  16. Ziggy Says:

    Sean, we’ll forgive you because you are still young and probably don’t mind having to slide down into and hoist yourself up out of vehicles that are below a comfortable H point, but that is the reason why so many people prefer SUVs and CUVs, the station wagons may be fine vehicles but the seats still aren’t at the H point most people prefer, which is the same as their hip height. The ultimate vehicle would be one that you could program to have the seats sit at your hip height so that getting into and out of the vehicle would be the easiest, but that would probably involve an adjustable suspension which is in the upper tier of affordable vehicles like those that have air springs.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m 74, and somehow, I manage to get in and out of sports cars and sedans.

    A while back, I looked up the height of mid-1950s cars, like a ’55 Chevy, and surprisingly to me, it’s about the same as current Camry and Accord. I expected the ’50s cars to be taller. The “H points” of the ’55 Chevy and current sedans are probably similar.

  18. Bobby T Says:

    10, the TF that I remember followed the TC and TD in the 1950s, just before the A.
    15, another problem that some people have with ingress/egress is the “H to Heel” dimension, which is the vertical distance from hip point to heel point. Most sports cars, and even some taller cars have relatively short h to heel dimensions. As an example, the first generation Ford Explorer had almost the same h to heel as the Ford Contour, a sedan that was a lot lower than the Explorer.

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    Tesla 184,000 deliveries in 2021 Q1. Up 109% from 2020 Q1, Tesla must be doomed.

    With two new factories, Austin and Berlin, coming online in 2021 Q2/Q3, it is curious. FYI, had only 2,000 Model S/X in 2021 Q1.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 The S is my favorite Tesla, with attractive styling and hatchback utility, but the 3 and Y are much better values, thus their higher sales volume. I see that they have cancelled the one I’d most interested in, Model Y long range, RWD.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Kind of car related, I saw a Porsche tractor at a show yesterday. I didn’t know they ever made tractors, but they sold over 100,000 of them in the ’50s and ’60s, most of them in Europe. It had a two cylinder in-line air cooled diesel, not a gas boxer 4 or 6.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    The governments sends out stimulus checks where a family of 5 gets close to $12,000 and analysts are surprised car sales are up in March. They should probably do something else for a living.

    Sean I do like that you used market share rather than gains/losses from last quarter or compared to last year as those number are going to be a bit misleading for a while due to Covid shut downs and now chip shortages. It really highlights who is moving metal and even though Tesla might be doubling sales its still a small percentage of overall sales.

    As for how long companies keep their fleets I believe depends highly on how the tax structure is at the time. Many fleets are kept depending on their depreciated values and write-off length. Maybe if gov restructured the write-off length on EV fleets to take advantage of the cost of ownership study you presented then they might keep them long enough.

    As mentioned here many times public charging is not the biggest deterrent from EVs. Most people will not be interested unless they can charge at home. They don’t really want to use public chargers. They want to get in there vehicle each day do their commute and errands and get home and re-charge for tomorrow. Hopefully never using a public charger except on trips and as Chuck mentioned waiting 4 times as long to fill up will suck but when there isn’t enough chargers and you have to wait for someone else to finish will really suck. Today when you have to wait for a pump it can be annoying but you know its only going to be 2-3 min imagine sitting for 20 min just to plug in. PASS.

  23. XA351GT Says:

    To truly make EVs desirable you’d need inductive highways that supplied power as you drove. It would never be cost effective ,but would be the answer for long distance driving on Interstates and turnpikes , The cost of electricity could be baked into the cost of the tolls.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Inductive highways would be great, except that they would probably quadruple the amount of power used to make the cars go. They wouldn’t be cheap to do either.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    22 Yeah a modern spin on a 130 year old technology! todays electric trolley system but without the wires and a car in place of a trolley.. Could maybe be done within a city but a HWY would probably be too expensive.

  26. Warwick Dundas Says:

    18 Yes I remember those old TC, TD and TF MGs as well. But the MG F, later rebadged TF was a more modern sports car with a rear mounted engine. Not sold in USA as far as I know.