AD #3053 – GM Announces Electric Silverado; Jeep Compass Refreshed; Segway Developing Hydrogen Motorcycle

April 7th, 2021 at 11:41am

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Runtime: 9:25

0:07 GM Announces Electric Silverado
1:03 Inventory Levels Could Keep Sales Down
1:54 Electric Mopeds Can Replace Other Forms of Mobility
3:12 Jeep Compass Refreshed
4:24 Mercedes CLS Lightly Refreshed
5:17 Ford App Offers Travel Recommendations
6:31 Continental Using Simulator to Develop Tires
7:30 Automotive Startups Have Banner Day
8:02 Segway Developing Hydrogen Powered Motorcycle

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32 Comments to “AD #3053 – GM Announces Electric Silverado; Jeep Compass Refreshed; Segway Developing Hydrogen Motorcycle”

  1. GM Veteran Says:

    The folks at Segway must be an interesting group. They keep coming up with ideas that are way out in left field, but think that they are going to revolutionize human kind. That is how they billed the original Transporter, a device that was very expensive and is now out of production due to lack of demand. It was never more than a novelty.

    Now we have a hydrogen motorcycle with medium performance levels and powered by a hard to find fuel. I can’t see any reason to put this thing into production. How many could they possibly sell? For the same money, you can buy an electric motorcycle that you can recharge anywhere, even at home.

    By the way, I did note that they did not provide a range estimate for this bike. That would also be a factor in purchase consideration. Seems like another novelty item that will go out of production faster than the Transporter did.

  2. Lex Says:

    No One is going to spend $2,400.00 plus insurance and gear for a electric moped so they don’t need to drive their 4000lb to the market for a gallon of milk! The economics are all upside down and ridiculous just to justify their company’s business model. LOL

  3. Lex Says:

    Why isn’t GM/GMC offering the 2.0L Turbo engine in the 2021 and beyond GMC Terrain? They are offering it in the Chevy Equinox. The Terrain is a better built and stylish vehicle. Their are plenty of 2020 GMC Terrains with the 2.0L Turbo engine sitting on dealers lots because GM failed to offer a stop / start deactivation switch. They should offer a retro fit kit for dealers to install the stop / start deactivation switch on these leftover vehicles.

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    The EV moped or scooter, seems like a great alternative for campers or city dwellers. The price is very comparable to today’s gas powered scooters and appears to be roughly the same size. The AAH interview should be interesting.

  5. Lex Says:

    The Updated Compass interior looks much better than the current interior IMHO. Jeep now needs to offer a 2.0L Turbo in the Compass with 250HP.

  6. Buzzerd Says:

    @1 check out the show Long Way Up, no you can’t recharge it anywhere, in lots of places in NA yes, but still not everywhere and the range on electric bikes is still very poor.
    As a motorcyclist I like the idea of the hydrogen and I think it’s probably the future. Electrics will be the stop gap.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    @3 in Canada you can’t get the 2L in the Equinox, I heard it’s supposed to return next year.

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    2 – I think the market for the Flux moped is the same folks that have been buying gas powered scooters or mopeds from Honda, Vespa and others for many years now. They are relatively inexpensive and fun to ride. For many local errands, its all you need. And kids love them.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    6 – OK, but since no range was provided for this bike how can you compare it? And you are going to refuel it where? Electric bikes may not be perfect, but they are much more viable than hydrogen. The EV bikes will improve as time goes on too. Just as with cars, their range will get better in the next several years. Hydrogen availability renders this bike next to useless for a long time to come.

  10. Marshy Says:

    I think there should be a rule or at least practice that requires companies to followup and release press info on a quarterly basis for these product announcements so that bad news follows good for companies that just release vapourware. They hype stuff for stock or marketing purposes and there are no press announcements saying ‘naw we changed our minds, it was a dumb idea. Thanks for the free ad’

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 The original Segway was the brain child of inventor Dean Kamen. He, and others greatly overestimated its significance regarding it being the “transportation of tomorrow.” Kamen sold Segway to a Chinese company in 2015.

    I’ll believe it when I see it, regarding the hydrogen powered motorcycle for $10.7K. There is almost no place to fuel it, and it would probably cost $30K to manufacture.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If the company can be trusted to stay around, the Flux electric scooter should be a great alternative to small gas scooters for about the same price, like the Honda Metropolitan and Yamaha Zuma. They even well a 38 mph version of Flux, for those with motorcycle endorsements, while the 50cc gas scooters from Honda and Yamaha are only ~30 mph, to be “moped legal” in most states.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The main down side of the Flux scooter compared to 50cc gas ones, is that it loses the under seat storage space to batteries, so a top box is needed for that gallon of milk, case of beer, etc. Of course, there are a few people who take cross country trips on 50cc scooters. For that, you’d need a gas machine, so you could keep going all day long with a short stop every 80-100 miles.

  14. ChuckGrenci Says:

    2, 13, The electric scooter may have some plusses going for it but to use the gallon milk example of why, is totally off base. Even with the top-box (shown on the scooter on the back of the camper); I don’t thing you’re going to get that gallon jug in there. Then there’s: got to get the scooter out, it’s raining, too hot, too cold, etc. I know some die-hards that ride in many conditions, but generally speaking, I don’t see many takers.

  15. JoeS Says:

    3. In ‘99 we were shopping for a new car for my wife. It was between the Terrain and Tourx. You could not get the Terrain with the 2.0T without leather. That was a deal breaker. She later drove a Terrain with the 1.5T as la loaner and hated it.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Over the years, I’ve gotten things like milk while on two wheeled vehicles of various types, and just bungeed them on the seat. With small gas scooters, like a Vino 125 I had, the floor is flat, and there is a hook under the front of the seat to hold plastic grocery bags. It looks like the floor of the Flux is flat, but maybe narrower than the Vino 125.

    I agree, though, that people aren’t going to buy a small scooter, gas or electric, just to avoid driving their monster truck to a convenience store for milk. Like with motorcycles, people buy small scooters mostly because they are fun. Also, in some states, you can ride small scooters without a license.

  17. Dana Ford Says:

    While the price tag on the Segway bike made my eyes pop, I applaud them for looking at hydrogen as a power source. Electric may be the trendy choice, but I can’t see it being viable for the entire population. Hydrogen needs to be developed further to see where it can lead. Kudos for thinking out of the box!

  18. Albemarle Says:

    Do you need more than 3 wheels and in most cases more than one or perhaps two seats? No, but that doesn’t mean it will sell in volume just because it’s electric. People want what they want. Currently it’s bigger rather than smaller. As soon as the sales types start talking about ‘all you need’, you know this is a sale going nowhere. Electric pickups will be the big turning point for us in North America, not 3 wheel toys.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    According to this article, and a statista chart, only ~20K total scooters were sold in the US in 2019.

    https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/united-states-motorcycle-sales-2019/

    If that includes everything from 50cc to 650cc, the market seems pretty small for electric 30-40 mph scooters. Still, I think they are real competition for Honda Metro et. al. They would be to me. In Florida, I see a number of electric bicycles. Some of those, like Radrover, sell for ~$1700 and more, and go only 20 mph. A big difference between a Radrover and a Flux scooter, is that you can get by riding the Radrover in bicycle lanes, while you need to ride the Flux and other small 30-40 mph scooters with regular traffic, even though they don’t keep up with regular traffic most places.

  20. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I think GM is being optimistic when thinking that they are going to sell that many units of the Electric Silverado. Given that it is based on the Hummer platform, the Electric Silverado will be $80K+. As we spoke before, the total market of buyers of 1/2 ton trucks that spend above $60K is 40,000 people across all OEMs. So GM is to convince nearly the entire market of the buyers in that price range to buy an electric Silverado and give up their Raptors/TRX? I think they are being very optimistic. Maybe they are banking on the tax payers buying $80K electric trucks in those kinds of numbers.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The electric Silverado will need to compete with the electric F-150 in price, whatever that price turns out to be. The existance of electric pickups from Ford and Chevy is going to make things pretty tough for upstarts like Lordstown et. al.

  22. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    21) Yeah. That is why I think GM is being very optimistic here. They have to compete with Rivian and Ford mainly. Probably TESLA if they ever get their ugly truck on the market. Those key competitors are all going for a slice of a low volume market. I don’t get why GM would be so optimistic to think they are going to sell 30,000 units here with the competition already announcing similar plans.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 That 30K is about 5% of the number of regular Silverados they sold in 2019. That doesn’t seem too optimistic, if people want electric pickups at all.

  24. Bob Wilson Says:

    So I gave my wife an electric skateboard, “EVERCROSS” Electric Scooter to carry in her BMW i3-REx. This gives her a ‘last mile’ solution to park her BMW within a range of 3-6 miles of work. She can also use it around the complex for small loads. Her grin is infectious.

    Yes, it is a fair-weather solution BUT it is EV portable, 12.5 kg ~28 lbs. She has to bring it to a 120 VAC outlet to charge it. Regardless, it is a neat solution and less risky than roller-blades (I think.) So I’m not terribly impressed with a larger EV skateboard/moped.

  25. Sean Wagner Says:

    Just to briefly hop back into the comments: electric scooters seem pretty big to me here in the (metropoliten) heart of Europe. From delivery services who clearly love them, to kids and commuters, they’re becoming ubiquitous.

    And that wonderful silence… I remember a bunch of kids riding my way on an empty city street close to the harbor and freight terminals, and from afar already, something just seemed off – until they swooshed and slalomed by, hooting to the absent sounds of electric propulsion.

    Don’t know about Italy, but nightlife there will never be the same once those scooters take over!

  26. Sean Wagner Says:

    Argh. Metropolitan.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I found that Vespa sells electric scooters, but they aren’t cheap, $7499 US for the one that goes 70 km/hour.

  28. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    23) I think that is how GM is looking at it also. However, According to the Autoline guest, the number of 1/2 ton trucks sold above $60K in total across all OEMs was 40,000 units per year. That is the 1/2 ton market GM is wanting the electric to compete in. I just don’t see it reaching 30,000 total for 1 OEM simply because it is electric. I would question what data GM has versus the Autoline guest which uses the same data. What convinces them they will sell 30,000 of any version of a 1/2 ton truck at $80,000 when they don’t do so today? Seems to me that if 30,000 people were going to buy an $80K Silverado, they would already have done so. No one is waiting for the Silverado to be electric to purchase their $80K Silverado. I just don’t see it. Time will tell if it is a success for them or if it is another “Quadrasteer” for them.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 We don’t know the prices yet for the electric Silverado, but some people are more than willing to pay extra for electric. People pay as much for a Tesla Model S, as for a much more luxurious Mercedes S-Class. People pay 50% more, to almost twice as much for a Tesla Model 3, as for a CamCord that rides better, is roomier, and has much more user friendly controls. Yes, the Model 3 is quicker.

    The first real test of interest in electric pickup trucks will probably be the F-150, rumored to go on sale within a year or so.

  30. Bob Wilson Says:

    In contrast to an electric moped, I gave my wife an electric skateboard, ~28 lbs, that gives her a 3-6 mile radius around her BMW i3-REx. She can park the car at a charger and reach work on the skateboard. The only challenge is recharging the skateboard which can be done at work.

  31. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Whether GM sells all that they plan to build of electric p/u’s is only half of the equation; if they are a ‘hit’, they better have product (to supply). After initial rollout, actions as warrented, will then ensue.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 Interesting. I’d be afraid I’d fall off and hurt myself with an electric skateboard, but they look fun, at least for people younger than my 74 years.

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