AD #3132 – Toyota Drops Avalon From U.S. Lineup; July Car Sales Drop; Can You Guess What Car This Is?

August 4th, 2021 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 9:45

0:08 Toyota, Honda & GM Post Strong Earnings
1:27 Used Vehicles Help VW Finance Hit Profit Goal Ahead of Schedule
2:25 EVs Need More Maintenance During 1st Year of Ownership
4:13 U.S. July Car Sales Drop
5:11 Nissan Cuts LEAF Pricing in U.S.
6:00 Toyota Drops Avalon From U.S. Lineup
7:22 Nikola Cuts Annual Outlook
7:59 COPO Camaro Not Heading to China
8:24 Can You Guess What Car This Is?

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27 Comments to “AD #3132 – Toyota Drops Avalon From U.S. Lineup; July Car Sales Drop; Can You Guess What Car This Is?”

  1. WineGeek Says:

    A good idea would be to get the details on what is really causing those expenses on the EVs. Also, from a consumer’s point of view who bears those costs are they warranty costs or out of pocket expenses for the consumer?

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The current Avalon has an even bigger mouth than other vehicles with mouths that are way too big. Also, the price of the Avalon gets close to that of its Lexus ES sibling. Will the ES continue?

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    The car looks like a De Tomaso Pantera but in a wagon?

  4. Tim Beaumont Says:

    Some kind of Jensen?

  5. Marshy Says:

    #1 I agree, I wouldn’t expect much of any maintenance costs in the first year other than fluids and maybe wipers. 98$ is a lot of washer fluid and wiper. (Assuming you are not foolish and roast your tires).

    I’ll concede someone might say you should include one rotation in there and if that’s the case, that makes up your $100

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 cont However the rear looks very much like a Saab and being aluminum that would make sense having the airplane connection. Defiantly a 70′s or early 80s.

  7. Tony Gray Says:

    It’s the elusive Utopian Turtletop!

  8. Sam Fiorani Says:

    Love these “barn finds.” That’s an Australian Ilinga AF-2. Or, more precisely, one of TWO ever built.

  9. XA351GT Says:

    Just wait until those EV maintenance costs are old enough to include battery replacement.

  10. XA351GT Says:

    Toyota Avalon aka the Whale Shark. Ugliest front since the Juke.

  11. Warwick Dundas Says:

    RE 8 Yes you are absolutely correct Tony. I thought I was on a winner sending that picture and details through to John and Sean, but alas I will have to try for an even more obscure vehicle next time.

  12. Warwick Dundas Says:

    Re 11 Sorry. That should have been Sam.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    8-11 What year?

  14. SteveO Says:

    Here’s the Ilinga’s Wikipedia page:

  15. MJB Says:

    Glad to see the Avalon go. I’ve hated that front end since they introduced the current one. Just seems as though Toyota designers were trying much too hard to create something equally as striking as the Lexus spindle grille, but with a separate identity – but no one at Toyota could bear to tell them they failed miserably.

  16. JR Says:

    Average repair costs can be misleading. Does the mach-E need $98 on each car, or does 1 out of 10 need a $1000 repair and the rest are zero? Perhaps the median cost would also be helpful.

  17. joe Says:

    The mystery car is a 1975 Ilinga AF2.

  18. Aliisdad Says:

    Avalon would have probably sold better if it was not given that AWFUL “fish mouth” front grill!!

  19. Ross Francis Says:

    AS others have said, the car is an Ilinga AF-2. It was powered by a 4.4lt version of Rover’s (Buick) V8, as used in Leyland Australia’s P76.

  20. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I’m impressed that four of our readers knew of this unimpressive, two-off, vehicle of limited (or no) historical significance. No sour grapes, just feeling somewhat inadequate (I thought I knew much, but I’m humbled). ;)

    As for the Avalon, after Buick left the sedan market, and left it to Avalon (I would still prefer the Buick), even Toyota couldn’t make it work.

  21. Steve Henderson Says:

    I’m going out on a limb about the car. I guarantee you I have NO clue.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 That comment was probably directed at me rightfully so. I had no clue and was guessing but still stand by the fact the front had design similarities to a Pantera and the rear very much like a Saab. Would be interesting to know who the designers were and where they got their inspiration for the design.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    In addition to the gaping mouth, there is another big reason the Avalon doesn’t sell. It has almost no advantage over a much less expensive Camry. The rear leg room is the same in the two cars, and the only place where the Avalon is roomier is the trunk, by one cubic foot. Maybe the Avalon has a “nicer” interior, but the difference is small.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m impressed with the number of people who recognized the two-off car. Was it kind of an Australian Tucker, getting a lot of hype at one time in its home country?

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Shouldn’t the repair of these EVs during the first 3 months be on warranty? Could they be including the cost of installing home chargers/240v outlets as maintenance and repair?

  26. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 Yea the EV costs could be very misleading. Would need to know the highs and lows along with percent affected. As mentioned above this could be 1 in 10 with a $1000 repair or 10 of 10 with a $98 repair. I assumed this all warranty and didn’t include any repairs due to damage or crashes as that would really skew the numbers.
    EVs in general are still selling if fairly low volume so really hard to put much stock in these numbers. Its a snapshot with only half the information needed to determine how legit it is.

  27. XA351GT Says:

    So in reading these EV repair and Maintenance costs are we to assume EVs come with NO warranty? As others said there should be zero costs involved unless there was owner caused damage and you can’t fault the vehicle for that .I don’t know of any vehicle that doesn’t come with a minimum 3 year /36,000 mile warranty from the factory