AD #3160 – Porsche Breaks Ground on eFuel Plant; Electric Navigator & Expedition Coming; Jaguar F-Pace SVR is a Beast

September 14th, 2021 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 10:21

0:07 Porsche Breaks Ground on eFuel Plant
1:04 Ford Hires Lowe’s Online Guru
1:49 Tesla’s Unique Way Around New Mexico’s Direct Sales Ban
2:17 Tesla Patents Laser Beam Windshield Wipers
3:29 Electric Navigator & Expedition Coming
4:23 Toyota Corolla Cross Hybrid Details
5:30 Nissan Launching Limited-Edition GT-Rs in Japan
7:04 Jaguar F-Pace SVR is a Beast

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23 Comments to “AD #3160 – Porsche Breaks Ground on eFuel Plant; Electric Navigator & Expedition Coming; Jaguar F-Pace SVR is a Beast”

  1. Albemarle Says:

    The current price for gas in Europe is $7 per US gallon, so this synthetic fuel is not that far off, unless Sean’s price is before taxes.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Would the price of e-fuel come down with volume or is that projected price to completely replace conventional gas? Also seems with all things, developments could improve efficiency and bring the price down even further.
    But I do find it interesting that when the writing is on the wall that we will stop using ICE soon breakthroughs like this occur. Time for the old oil industry to dig into those patents they squashed over the years.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    Ford hiring Lowes online guru! maybe they see the writing on the wall that just maybe the days of dealerships are numbered and are preparing for online sales? Or maybe they see the huge advantage of the low inventory and want to get back to people ordering vehicles rather than take whats on a lot.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    “Tesla” coming to a casino near you!

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 If the actual fuel is methanol, it will take twice as much as gasoline to go the same distance. Engines set up specifically for methanol can do better, because it is very high octane.

  6. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The e-fuel segment mentions the process of converting H2 and CO2 to form methanol then the methanol is converted to e-fuel; so what is e-fuel? By the description in the article it appears to just replace gasoline one for one; is that true? Do you get the same energy per volume, does the engine need modification (because methanol doesn’t play well, long term, with ICE), so it must be somewhat different from alcohol. Need more input to have a sense for its viability in my mind.

  7. cwolf Says:

    I think online sales good for fleet sales and special order, but believe buyers still like to kick the tires before choosing, plus purchases are often below MSRP.
    However, I think many of the mega-dealerships have gotten much too large. The small Mom and Pop dealerships just can’t compete against them.
    Once the larger dominates an area, by buying up other brands, they have a greater incentive to set higher prices.

  8. Bob Wilson Says:

    #4 – I agree but this also solves the problem of getting chargers to casino properties. A bank of L2 or slower DC chargers makes a lot of sense.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Free charging at your hotel, if you lose enough gambling

  10. cwolf Says:

    Chuck, Here is a little more info on eFuel

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2021/08/opinion-over-the-air-updates-bad-owning-the-car-good/

  11. cwolf Says:

    wrong one try again

  12. cwolf Says:

    try this:

    https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2021/04/what-is-efuel-how-porsche-s-synthetic-fuel-could-save-the-combusti

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 That link doesn’t work, but I’d like to know what thr fuel actually is. I’ll see if I can find anything.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This article says the methonol is “converted into gasoline,” but doesn’t give any hints about how that is done.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Environment/Porsche-s-hydrogen-based-eFuel-turns-gas-guzzlers-into-eco-cars

  15. cwolf Says:

    The only other information I could gather is that Exxon refines the methanol using their methanol-to-gasoline process. The gas then is blended to various grade standards.
    It was also reported, engines required no adjustments or retro-fitting.
    The price projection in 5 years is $2/liter.

  16. Lex Says:

    I had mentioned this scenario several years ago, The Millennials are mostly buying everything online which will cause a huge shift in the way dealerships do business. The OEM will take orders online from consumers and the dealerships will become delivery and service centers. On the lot inventories will be greatly reduced. Those customers in leased vehicles will be asked to configure and order their new vehicle 6 months before lease end. OEM’s will want to retain those customers with discounts and promotions not available to new customers.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Will car buying go back to more factory orders? That would be fine with me. I do that now, when I can, like with the Corvette I don’t have yet.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    I foresee dealerships becoming distribution centers. People will go online build and price their vehicle and even complete financing. The dealerships will get a prep fee and you’ll go in to pick up your car. Dealership will still be there for service and warranty work and maybe even test drives. Really no need for a sales staff but more like vehicle concierge’s. Be there to let you test drive and assist with drop offs for service.
    That would make the dealership visit much more pleasurable without a sales person bugging ya and working on commission. Just a paid staff member to assist customers with picking up their car and getting service.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The car buying process would be a lot more pleasant if the price were fixed, like with Saturn early on, but you’d still have the “negotiating” to deal with if you had a trade.

    The thing I really miss about car buying, is no choice of interior color, almost no choice of exterior color, and no individual options. As recently as 1989 I was able to order my Caravan with “Ice Blue” paint, and a blue interior. I’d like my Camry that way, but neither light metallic blue paint nor blue interior is available.

  20. Sean Wagner Says:

    From Porsche’s corporate newsroom (in English):
    https://bit.ly/2XhXZXt
    https://bit.ly/3EbXCyq

    And Siemens Energy (in English):
    https://bit.ly/3hyTi2q

    Quote from the latter: In the pilot phase, e-methanol production will initially reach around 750,000 liters per year by 2022. Part of the e-methanol will be converted to e-gasoline (130,000 liters per year). A further two phases will increase capacity: first to 55 million liters of e-gasoline per year by 2024, and then to over 550 million liters per year by 2026.

  21. Sean Wagner Says:

    Saturn would have been perfect as gm’s dedicated EV marque, but that opportunity has sailed.

    I thought the super big SUVs currently are best suited to series hybrids – in fact, John’s idea of a dedicated engine supplier makes a lot of sense in that context.

    Else it’s more four-ton-strosities like the Hummer, with a battery good for three normal cars.

    Incidentally, I just saw one of the very first Model Y’s on the road here in northwestern Switzerland – and I know the guy who bought it.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 I think we may see more interior options in the future as the sedan evolves into this CUV/SUV and they all look the same. The automakers are trying out some radical grill designs to stand out but they can only do so much. I really foresee the interior becoming the deciding factor. A lot more emphasis is going to be put on the interior and body color as that’s all that’s left to stand apart from the pack. So hopefully you’ll start to see more colors offered as manufacturers try and stand out. They are gonna have to do something to attract customers when they all look about the same perform about the same and just fill the sea of look alikes.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 True series hybrids, of any size, would be gas hogs on the highway, with multiple losses of a generator, motor, and battery charge/discharge. I suspect that’s why Nissan “e-power” vehicles are not being sold many places, though they sell very well in Japan, where a much lower percentage of driving would be highway than most places in North America.

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