AD #3203 – Lucid Air Is in A League of Its Own; Kia Teases Concept EV9; Inmotive 2-Speed EV Transmission Update

November 12th, 2021 at 11:52am

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Runtime: 10:54

0:08 The Great Automotive Schism
1:13 GM Announces 10 EVs For South Korea
2:07 Monitor Says UAW Falling Short in Reform Efforts
3:31 Inmotive Shares 2-Speed EV Transmission Update
4:53 Kia Teases Concept EV9
5:21 Hyundai Resto-Mods 1986 Grandeur Sedan
6:02 Toyota Celebrates 25 Years of RAV4 In the U.S.
6:42 Porsche Plans 3rd Taycan Variant
7:47 Lucid Air Dream Edition Is in A League of Its Own

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37 Comments to “AD #3203 – Lucid Air Is in A League of Its Own; Kia Teases Concept EV9; Inmotive 2-Speed EV Transmission Update”

  1. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Why would gm offer new products to plants that have constant union troubles? You told us that many many plants are going to close as EV production increases. Wouldn’t each OEM keep the plants that have the fewest issues?

  2. Drew Says:

    As much as I’d love to see a Taycan coupe, I suspect the business experts will give us an Outback-like variant for 3 reasons – lower investment, higher revenue, and it won’t tread on the 911.

  3. Kevin A Says:

    Drew’s logic makes sense but I’d also love to see a real coupe, cut down to 2 seats, 2 doors and minimal overhangs. Too bad it isn’t going to happen.

  4. Mac Says:

    I find the behavior of the major automotive “pledge makers” akin to behavior observed over the years when I worked industry where some managers would promise anything and everything to curry favor among the company leaders, in hopes that when those promises were due, those leaders would be either gone or have short memories. Over-optimism at best, in most cases simply pandering.

  5. Ziggy Says:

    I’m going out on a limb here, but I think John liked the Lucid!

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    First thing that popped into my mind when the picture of the Hyundai Grandeur popped onto my screen was: K-car!

  7. Dave Says:

    Historically the best automotive technology is available on the worst vehicle in 10 years hence if we look at the best technology today like in Lucid, Tesla, Porsche, Ferrari it will be available on everything in 2031 the world is a changing

  8. Wim van Acker Says:

    @5 yes, and the video and John’s report were great. I am wondering how quick a 0-60 mph is with a 1,000 hp. It was not mentioned in teh segment. John, do you know? Or are you still dizzy from the acceleration?

  9. SteveO Says:

    Automotive News has reported on the new Taycan variants in today’s article on the upcoming LA Auto Show:

    “Porsche will show two new variants of the Taycan, including a wagon-style electric sedan. Unlike the Cross Turismo model, the long-roof Sport Turismo version will not offer off-road capabilities.

    Porsche will also show a GTS variant that will slot just below the Taycan Turbo. It will be powered by a 93.4-kWh battery and have sporty styling and handling.”

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @4 exactly. If you would sponsor me now I will be Nascar champion in 2040.

  11. George Ricci Says:

    John, the Lucid is a beautiful car, but I wish you would have mentioned the price, $169,000. At that price its easier to get the budget to work on every detail to perfection. But how many are you going to sell at that price? Yes, I know there are cheaper models coming, but they will not be a nice or as capable. Also with big advances in batteries coming in the next few years this car will have huge deprecation.

  12. Victor West Says:

    At 170K do you really expect a car to not be spectacular, but no real sales impact on real people who need a car.

  13. Albemarle Says:

    I vote for a wagon version of the Taycan. Easier to convince the family that you’re getting a practical family car…

  14. bradley cross Says:

    Lucid will likely be sold out for quite a while. You need one outstanding feature for selling. With them having the longest range along with ok/unique interior/exterior styling and crazy speed (like Tesla Plaid). Folks with crazy money will gobble them up.

    In the medium term we need to watch their reliability and see the volume increase. Not sure if we will see them on TURO for a while though :)

  15. wmb Says:

    Wow John, with all the vehicles that you have test drove, your exuberance and excitement for this vehicle speaks volumes! That’s why I don’t understand when people say that BEVs will be uninteresting and lacking character. Yes, I do get that ICE vehicles, especially sports cars, have engine and exhaust noise that EV will not have and weight may/will be an issue. Yet, that’s not to say there are other things to enjoy and appreciate when it comes to driving EVs. Sure, just having speed may get old for some! But the end of the ICE does not have to be the end of automotive excellence and the freedom and joy of driving, just because we move around in BEVs.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Isn’t the current Cross Turismo kind of an Outback variant?

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    No one really knows what market share EVs will have in 15-20 years, or if there will even be enough batteries, power electronics, or other things available to completely phase out ICEs. The car companies are just making, or not making “pledges” based on their current tentative plans, with some politics thrown it.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    Great 1100 HP in a street car. people can’t handle 250 HP without causing a catastrophe. The old saying still holds true a High performance car in the hands of a low performance driver equals tragedy.

  19. Drew Says:

    @16 – The Cross Turismo is more like a shooting brake… a sporty wagon-ish car. An “Outback” variant would raise the ride height for easier ingress/egress (to accommodate Porsche’s aging Baby Boomer clientele) and claim a CUV price premium (on top of Porsche’s brand cache premium).

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 The Cross Turismo is lifted, but only slightly, .8 inch from the regular Taycan, and no RWD version is sold.

  21. WineGeek Says:

    Hey John I concur with others here who say 1100 horsepower in the hands of a low performance driver will be catastrophic. I watch driver now cutting across lanes and driving in the breakdown lane to use their powerful ICE vehicles, what does 1100 horsepower and instantaneous acceleration hold for the future. My prediction is a lot of rear end collisions where the driver stepped on the “power” (can’t call it a “gas” pedal can we?) and was blown away and drove right through a car in front of them. Especially some 16 year old kid driving his parents super cool car with no experience.

  22. Merv Peters Says:

    best show ever,that was fun

  23. Wim van Acker Says:

    @21: ever heard of brake assist, which is a standard feature/cheap option on most higher end cars? It is even a standard feature on my wife’s Mustang Mach-e.

    I am not alleging that it is impossible to crash a 1,000 hp Lucid, but the potential damage is small based on the low number of those vehicles that will be sold and the few miles those will actually be driven. I am not aware of “traffic fatalities because of Ferraris and Lamborghinis” being a significant part of our annual 30,000 deaths. Are you?

    Any of the 300 million vehicles in the country in the hands of a bad driver or an impaired driver is a deadly weapon.

  24. Drew Says:

    @20 – Back when Subaru sold both Legacy wagons and Outbacks, the Outback had slightly more the 2-1/2 of more ground clearance. I’s say that is is absolute minimum ride height increase to claim a derivative is a CUV.

  25. Drew Says:

    @23 – Brake assist is not very effective at high delta Vs.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 Yeah, they’d need more lift, and more black plastic to do a true Outback version.

    Years ago, I was considering a Legacy wagon, but I reconsidered when they made 4wd mandatory in the early 1990s.

  27. JoeS Says:

    What tires are they putting on a1000hp car that will hold? I had to upgrade to serious summer performance tires to handle 355hp in a 5,000lb truck!

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 The Lucid will use some specially developed tires from Pirelli. I doubt that hard cornering will be a strong point.

    https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1132928_lucid-air-ev-focused-pirelli-tires-help-enable-range-performance-refinement

  29. Larry Skellion Says:

    Hyundai Grandeur looks like an old LTD!!

  30. Bob Wilson Says:

    Car manufacturers are discovering that every serious EV they make gets sold in spite of dealers. So let us have them all from EV supercars to basic people carriers. Just no more of those low quality compliance cars … a waste of labor and material.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 It reminded me more of a mid-’80s Chrysler LeBaron, the top-of-the-line K-car.

  32. wmb Says:

    Now that the proverbial “cat is out of the bag” with 1111hp BEV, the question will be ‘how quickly can someone produce a compact/midsize vehicle, with one third the hp, with 400 to 500 miles of range, for less then $50K’! Most everyday drivers do not care about zero to 60 times, but even with 20-to-80% recharges times lasted 20 minutes, I believe this would be acceptable for many for this new technology! That would be the game changer the market needs!

    There is a lot of talk of the crucial materials needed to build batteries for EVs and there not being enough to meet future demands. Yet, remember, EVs are less then 5% of the market now and they have a loooong way to go before they are mainstream, well after 2030! So to put the brakes of this type of development now because of potential shortages of the future, would be like telling OEMs of the 60s,70s and 80s, to stop developing ICE engines due to the oil crisis! It was that crisis that spurred better development. Yes, there needs to be concern and focus on the availability of materials to build future BEVs, but that should be tempered with work on making the batteries and motors of today more efficient and easily reusable, as they explore more options for the future. Just a thought.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ve had my Corvette almost 3 weeks, have never tested the 0-60 time, and may never test it. The Lucid Air is impressive, but at 2 1/2 times the price of the Corvette, it seems kind of pricey. Yeah, the Lucid is roomier and, presumably quieter, but a Corvette is much better for driving 1100 miles in 17 hours, as long as you don’t want to take to many people or too much stuff.

    I can’t help but think it will be a big reach to increase the global supply of batteries for EVs 20-fold in 15-20 years, both for raw material supplies, and manufacturing capacity. It seems to be hard to even increase silicon IC production by 20% in a year or two.

  34. matttheviewer Says:

    A side note: you may have covered Plasma Technologies already, but if not, they’ve been showcased on various Youtube channels for their new “solid state Hydrogen” storage system (using film cylinders). Their tech’s still in development but once ironed out would greatly simplify Hydrogen storage on board a vehicle.

  35. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Excellent Autoline This Week: “Can The U.S. Compete With China?” Some of this will probably make it to “Autoline Daily” but it’s worth the time to see it in its entirety.

    To: John McElroy; good one, this!

  36. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I like the Lucid Air sedan way more than the Tesla Model S. The interior is actually designed for real humans and has actual luxury features and style for the luxury price you are paying for this car. Hopefully this means that the Model S will get some actual interior style and luxury features to justify its steep price. Something more than a cheap looking video screen at least.

  37. Max Corey Says:

    I love your show, but is it necessary to keep using the term “piss” as in “pissed” or “pissed off”? VERY UNPROFESSIONAL! I’m no prude, but if I used this word in my line of work when dealing with the public, I’d be reprimanded the first time and fired the second time. I don’t believe it’s too much to ask for you as the host and announcer to be professional in your delivery.