AD #3362 – NIO Accused of Fraud; Hyundai IONIQ 6 is SUV-Sized; Trumpchi Goes Grille Crazy

July 14th, 2022 at 11:49am

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Runtime: 10:49

0:11 NIO Accused of Fraud
0:48 Americans Warming Up to EVs
1:27 Walmart Could Buy 20% of Canoo
2:57 Tesla Loses Top AI Executive
3:29 Lordstown Promotes Hightower to CEO
4:06 Trumpchi Goes Grille Crazy
4:41 Hennessey EV Boasts 400 HP at Each Wheel
5:22 Cadillac Celestiq Design Details
7:05 Meet the Honda ZR-V
7:55 Hyundai IONIQ 6 Bigger Than You Think

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36 Comments to “AD #3362 – NIO Accused of Fraud; Hyundai IONIQ 6 is SUV-Sized; Trumpchi Goes Grille Crazy”

  1. George Ricci Says:

    John, on the Ioniq 6 story I think you meant to say 2023 on when it will be available in North America.

  2. Jim Bielecki Says:

    As for Americans warming up to EV’s. Another way of looking at the numbers is to say that even with high gas prices, 75% of Americans are not interested in owning an EV.

  3. Wim van Acker Says:

    @2 yes, good point. It reminds me of the 2000′s, when most Americans were not interested in buying fuel-efficient vehicles. And GM and the Chrysler Group went belly-up, and Ford almost.

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    A $300,000 hatchback? I remember when the word hatchback was mostly used derisively and many analysts predicted the demise of this bodystyle altogether because consumers associated it with cheap cars.

    The success of the bodystyle really depends on how you define it. You could make the case that all crossovers with liftgates are really hatchbacks.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    2 High gas prices can make more people interested in EVs, but is it enough to really make them pull the trigger? Cause I would say as talk increased of $6 a gallon gas I became more interested too, but not enough to go buy anything. Most people are hopeful the prices are a temporary thing and will come back down.

    I think as more models keep coming out consumers will be able to find something that fits their budget and needs more easily. That will impact EV sales in the US more than gas prices. Unless gas prices continue to climb and prove to be a long term change.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    I also read that even with the “no Amazon business” stipulation, the van order from WalMart is non-binding. The whole company could still collapse in on itself. Or, you may soon be able to buy Canoo vans and pickups at your local WalMart Auto Center!

  7. John McElroy Says:

    #1. Yep, you’re right! 2023 it is.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    Playing devils advocate: I wonder what will happen to Ford and GM if Americans never really embrace EVs. Government can stop ICE production in 2035 but that doesn’t mean consumers have to buy an EV. For many years there will be good used ICE cars and trucks out there. The prices may jump to the point where a new EV is cheaper than a used ICE, and maybe they’re counting on that. In the meantime sales will certainly suffer. Can they survive those lean years on exporting?

  9. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Gas prices, while still high, have leveled and in some cases going down. Just saw in my local area, Charleston, SC and vicinity, prices for regular at $3.89. Still abominable from two years ago, but trending down, so I’m wondering; what next.

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @8 yes, maybe exporting is a solution. It seems like Chinese OEMs and European OEMs are phasing out of ICEs. Since EVs are not and I am expecting will not be the solution for all transportation needs, there should be a niche in many countries for ICE-powered vehicles.

    Part of the solution has to be morphing of the gasoline stations into hybrid fossil fuel/EV charging stations to avoid the collapse of either of the two options.

  11. George Ricci Says:

    John, any comment on the Cadillac Celestiq being a hatchback? Hatchbacks are not all that popular in the US but are very useful. Not a feature you normally see in really expensive cars.

  12. Wim van Acker Says:

    @9 yes, on their way down right now. But in the long run going up: we have 2% of the proven oil reserves (so what is under our land and sea) and our production is 20% of global production. That will not end well for us if we do not change course, since the largest oil reserves are with Venezuela, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq.

    Everybody I know believes we should increase our oil production. Based on the aforementioned (and the fact that we have not found more oil for years) I am the lonely one who believes we should either lower production and mend relationships with the ones who have the largest oil reserves, or reduce our demand.

  13. Wim van Acker Says:

    @12 just to clarify what proven oil reserves means: it is oil that exists and we are drilling for or already producing, plus oil we know probably exists based on exploration by the Department of Energy but are not yet drilling for.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4,11 One of the smartest things Tesla did early on was to make the Model S a hatchback. Hatchbacks are an almost no-compromise way to make any care more utilitarian. The only compromise is, possibly, a little more weight, and less body stiffness. Car companies can handle it pretty well, though.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @14 could you please explain why there is less body stiffness, Kit?

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 I’d like to see us both mend relationships, and reduce demand. We should be able to do better at dealing with Venezuela. We were doing better with Iran, for a while. In the end, the “energy independence” fetish is not a winning game, long term, when most of the reserves of stuff we use so much of are in other countries.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 I don’t know how true it is, but I’ve heard for years that the structure between the window and the trunk lid adds stiffness, compared to having the big open area with a hatch. I doubt that it is very significant, though.

  18. Wim van Acker Says:

    @16 yes, it should be possible to improve the relationship with especially Venezuela. They have the world’s largest proven petroleum reserves.

  19. Wim van Acker Says:

    @17, I see, I understand it now. Thanks.

  20. XA351GT Says:

    I said it before and I’ll repeat it again , anyone who buys a EV mainly to save money on fuel costs is not looking at the big picture. Funny is I just saw a poll this morning where 63% of those that responded said they would never own a EV. So warming up maybe a a bit ambitious at this point

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 The big picture that’s still kind of an unknown, is what happens when the EVs are 12-15 years old, and the $15K batteries start failing.

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    20 Absolutely correct, and sadly the electric car was originally promoted as a opportunity to save money. The gas savings and maintenance costs were pushed as the main selling point. Sadly; lets be honest, Most Americans are for a clean environment but not willing to pay a lot more money for it. So being green wasn’t a good enough reason.
    Even today the level of “green” is under a lot of scrutiny depending on where you live and how these batteries are created and recycled. The cost is much like anything and will end up being a wash at best. Right now the extra purchase cost for the EV takes a long time to recover and electricity isn’t free especially if your not charging at home. So why are consumers not super excited to own an EV and beating down the door to get one? Maybe because they only advantage they have now is acceleration.

  23. Jon Says:

    I picked up an aidi etron for my better half a year and a half ago. Ev s rock. Instant torque massive power and just charge it with a 220 outlet in the garage. Limited range has never been an issue and believe it or not once you get an ev i downloaded charging station locations amd there are tons of them. Some are even free at malls etc but its never needed. I just charge her up in the garage.

  24. Joe G Says:

    For an administration that is all about human rights, ironic how that we now have to beg (err mend relations) with countries that have the worse track records for this.

  25. Joe G Says:

    For an administration that is all about human rights, ironic how that we now have to beg (err mend relations) with countries that have the worse track records for this.

  26. Albemarle Says:

    I think these surveys are deeply flawed. You have vested interested on each side selling their f. u. d. and providing reasons why their side is better without any idea what people want. Then you slant the question in one way or another.

    But the biggest flaw is that most people have absolutely none, zero, zilch experience even test driving an EV, let alone living with it.

    Until you only ask people personally familiar with the choices a straight forward question and then report by saying the question and then the %, all surveys are as useful as teats on a bull.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 I’ve driven EVs and like the way they drive, but without home charging, not available at my condo, I wouldn’t buy one. As you say, surveys of people who know nothing about the tradeoffs are not very meaningful.

  28. rick Says:

    awesome autoline after hours with peter brock. cant thank you enough.

  29. Bob Wilson Says:

    We have a 2019 Tesla Model 3 and 2014 BMW i3-REx and neither is for sale. We had a 2017 Prius Prime but it gave us less than the BMW so we traded it in for the Tesla.

    Today, Tesla is expanding production to handle extreme product demand. It is a very nice problem to have. If others prefer a non-EV, works for me too as EV owners have different and more interesting challenges.

  30. wmb Says:

    As incredibly as the Hennessey BEV will be, what kind of sense does it make to have a vehicle with 2400hp?! Based on the report in the story, for all that hp, it’s still not going to do any better than 300 miles of range! It will be just as good, if not better, with half the power but twice the range.

    Regarding the Celestiq, IMHO, it’s is much easier to except as a $200K+ sedan, or a $300K SUV/CUV, then $300K five door hatchback! I said it before and I’ll say it again, if lucid conceal the air dream addition for $175K, I can see Cadillac selling a hand built, high craftsmanship, BEV for $200K. I must admit that the interior looks impressive, but, from what has been revealed so far, it does not hold a candle to the interiors of the Royals Royce Phantom, Ghost, Cullinan, Bentley Flying Spur, or even the Jaguar XJ and Land Rover Ranger Rover.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 The i3 REx is an EV with a ICE-generator as an afterthought. The Prius Prime is a hybrid with a bigger battery as an afterthought. They appeal to different people. You, obviously, like EVs, so the REx and Model 3 appeal to you. Not having home charging, I like hybrids as most-of-the-time vehicles.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 It turns out that more power is almost “free” with EVs as far as range with the same battery. Giving up half the power to double the range would be a great trade off with the Hennessy, but it would probably increase the range by only 10-20% to reduce power to 1200 hp.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 To me, making the Celestiq a hatchback rather than a sedan makes sense, as with the Tesla Model S. Still, the idea of Cadillac making a $300K extremely low volume car makes little sense to me. Leave that market to Rolls-Royce, and try to compete more effectively with Lexus, and Tesla.

  34. Ukendoit Says:

    Essentially, the Celestiq is a marketing ploy, to show the market that Cadillac has an unattainably high priced hand-built halo car, in order to raise it’s perceived quality. If they happen to sell a few, that helps recoup the cost of that marketing, but they won’t expect to sell many. As Cadillac’s status and snob factor increase, it raises their whole line as far as prestige, sales, possibly price, and overall bottom line. John had a great article explaining this:

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 I think your on to something. Maybe what EV manufacturers should be doing is offering super cheap rentals or extended test drives to get consumers in the seats. It could be good but may also be bad. As a recent survey proved that 35% of Tesla owners in Cali went back to an ICE after EV ownership. What it proves is pretty much what everyone has been saying all along. EVs work great for certain people that have a specific use. They are not and should not be considered a 100% replacement for ICE’s. They appeal to select group and work great for that group. Getting consumers behind the wheel of an EV will help them make a more informed decision. Making a 40k purchase lends you to continue to buy what your familiar with and you know what works. Its tuff to get people to spend that kind of money and not really know what they are getting themselves into. Getting the opportunity to experience an EV for a week could really help ease some of that uncertainty.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Interesting article.