AD #3409 – Dodge EV Muscle Cars Delayed; Tesla Cranks Shanghai Up to 1 Million+/Year; Will Ram EV Use Range Extender?

September 20th, 2022 at 11:52am

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Runtime: 11:07

0:00 Will Ram EV Use Range Extender?
0:59 Ford Can’t Get Enough Parts
1:41 Tesla Cranks Shanghai Up to 1 Million+/Year
2:11 Tesla Adds 60,000 Customers to FSD Beta
2:41 Tesla EU Superchargers Cost 0.60/kWh
3:57 GM BrightDrop Targets Grocery Industry
4:53 Alpina Unveils BMW X7 SUV
6:02 Dodge EV Muscle Cars Delayed Until 2025
7:59 NIO Ships Battery Swapper to Germany
8:30 U.S. Traffic Deaths Fall
9:29 “Painting” Cars with Film

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33 Comments to “AD #3409 – Dodge EV Muscle Cars Delayed; Tesla Cranks Shanghai Up to 1 Million+/Year; Will Ram EV Use Range Extender?”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Does the plan to build the electric Charger and Challenger in Windsor mean the Pacifica will be discontinued, or would they move it somewhere else?

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean; Any word on if Dodge will extend the manufacturing of the ICE Challenger to coincide with the pushed back EV version?
    I would imagine many people had plans for buying the last model year and maybe that could be 2025 now?

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    My guess for how Ram will provide the longest range for towing. They will offer a removeable battery that can be placed in the bed. Wont be cheap but should provide the best range.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 They should be able to get an extra ~200 kWh if they fill the bed with batteries. You wouldn’t be able to haul anything, and unless there were charge stations where you could use 3 chargers at once, it might take a few hours to recharge.

  5. Roger T Says:

    Would the wraps be as durable as paint? Thats a key concern in hot weather locations, wraps become a sticky mess after a couple of years

  6. ChuckGrenci Says:

    “Yikes” is right; there goes an EV advantage. Electricity is beginning to escalate in other venues as well, and maybe not as drastically as in Europe, but advantages may shrink all over.

    Also, with the RAM, best range towing, more batteries almost any claim is attainable but the solution has to make sense; let’s see what transpires.

  7. Albemarle Says:

    Given even a Tesla 100 kWh battery weighs 1377 lbs, you’d be hauling around almost 2700 lb in the bed. A solid excuse to not carry the mother-in-law.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 From what I’ve seen, wraps start to fade, crack, and generally look “tacky” after about 5 years, at least if they spend a lot of time in the sun. Paint lasts much longer, but a complex custom paint job costs a few times as much as a complex wrap, like for a business.

  9. Albemarle Says:

    You would want the surface to be totally protected from the elements before applying the wrap. Rust is insidious and not everyone of us is a car washing nutter.

  10. Bob Petrach Says:

    Range extender (DIY)– small diesel generator 5000W continuous 0.4 gallons per hour at full load, 228 lb less the diesel fuel, charge while driving.

  11. D Ford Says:

    Did anyone really not see the price of electricity going up with the increase in demand?

    I suspect the increase in traffic deaths was mostly due to people not working, yet the government still gave them the income to go out and drive around during the time they’d normally be working. It stands to reason the rate would go down as more people return to work and don’t have time to just “drive around.”

  12. johno Says:

    because of the high gas prices and high prices on other items people are driving less so you have less accidents, just like the late 70′s which i lived through, was not fun.

  13. Sean McElroy Says:

    Maybe Ram will start selling Ram-branded trailers that have their own electric motor(s) and or batteries?

  14. Dave Says:

    Paint what can I say “Cybertruck” for imagination add a wrap, hot pink? maybe matte black stainless add an accessory factory next door like the Promaster one in Mexico

  15. GM Veteran Says:

    Maybe Ram will offer another version of the RamBox option where those boxes contain batteries for the extra range.

    Because of their reliance on Russian gas, all of Europe’s manufacturing, business and consumers will experience high energy prices for the next several years while they establish alternate sources and methods to transport it.

    1 – They have two lines in the Windsor plant and they can likely produce the new cars and the Pacifica using both lines and 2-3 shifts.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    I am only familiar with my local Kroger store, but they don’t have employees standing around waiting for customers to arrive to claim their grocery order. They keep the carts in a refrigerated room and take orders out to a customer car when they text that they are waiting in a designated parking spot. It seems to work well and I don’t see an advantage to the GM system. They may be able to eliminate the refrigerated room, but will still need a cart corral where they can charge them for their next 4 hour shift.

  17. GM Veteran Says:

    I am going to open a business selling versions of those wraps that will make the Cybertruck look attractive. I need to go find the most talented designers available to help me pull that one off!

  18. Albemarle Says:

    Stainless steel sounds like a good idea but with pedestrian safety regulations ramping up, stainless, being as hard as it is, may be very difficult to meet standards.

    Of course Tesla has a long history of bafflegabbing safety concerns with their fsd so if anyone can shine the regulators, they can.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    16 My guess is that Kroger is looking beyond the current grocery store model. I would assume they will plan to operate like a warehouse. Similar to Amazon and not even place items on shelves. They can fill orders using a lots of pick-n-place robots placing the items into a Brightdrop Pod. That will automatically show up at the designated parking spot. I could see the store only have a small lobby with a single counter to resolve customer concerns.
    Also would prepare Kroger for the next step which will be automated home delivery, where the Pod will just show up at your house.
    We already use the home delivery service for Kroger and Meijer and its very convenient when both parties work and struggle to find the time to go shopping.
    The only downside is personal choice of fruits vegetables and meats. Getting hamburger or chicken is fine but cuts of meat can be a coin toss. Overall we like it.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 Miles driven is at record levels in the US for most months of 2022. Also, fatalities are higher than any recent years.

    19 I use Walmart curbside pickup, which works about like Kroger, except that it is free if you have more than $35 in your order. It’s convenient, and you don’t have to go inside the Walmart, which is rarely fun.

    10 You’d need about a 50-75 kW generator to keep going, if you are towing a big trailer. The 5 kW would slow down the draining of the battery a little.

    13 Maybe Chrysler needs to work out a deal with some travel trailer and utility trailer companies to make compatible motorized trailers with batteries. Just having batteries in the trailer with the proper electrical interface, and no motors in the trailer, would work for most applications.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe Tesla is cancelling the Cybertruck, because of the cost of all that nickel and chromium for the stainless steel.

  22. Joe G Says:

    6- As demand for BEVs increases will the price of electricity continue to rise. As I have stated before, where will the gas tax revenue (state and federal) be made up with less ICE vehicles on the road in the future. If demand for gas falls off with more BEVs will the gas prices come back down.
    Much speculation and prices are also affected by things other than supply and demand, but this is indeed an interesting time in automotive history.

  23. GM Veteran Says:

    22 – hard to say if and when price of electricity will rise in the US, but the story today was only about price increases in Europe.

    Many states have already enacted increased registration fees for EVs to prevent a decrease in overall road repair budgets as less gasoline is sold over time. I expect all states will have something similar in place within the next year or two. Politicians don’t like budget reductions!

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Some states already have registration “surcharges” for EVs, to make up for the gas tax. Some of these charges are actually punitive taxes on EVs, costing more than the gas tax for a similar size vehicle driven an average number of miles. The states and feds could have metered tax on public chargers, but I don’t know if they do. That would be more difficult for home charging.

    The fair thing would be to tax EVs based on vehicle weight and miles driven. There would be ways to do that electronically, but it might be too easy for tech savvy crooks to cheat.

    Supply and demand certainly had an effect on gas prices, when gas usage was down about about 40% in spring 2020, but yeah, a number of other things can affect prices. At some point, demand for gas will permanently decrease as EVs replace gas vehicles, but that hasn’t happened much yet. More driving with bigger vehicles has kept demand nearly steady, so far.

  25. merv Says:

    On line groceries has been a pretty big deal where I live,you can get pick them up curbside or have them delivered to your door. They don’t have people standing around waiting for orders,it’s a separate in store entity.

  26. wmb Says:

    A trailer with a battery pack sounds good, but what if that trailer had regenerative braking that was some how added back into the battery, or stored energy, that the Ram BEV could later tap into? That way the weight or the bigger the vehicle hauled and the amount of force used to stop it during braking, could be added to the range of the tow vehicle! If this were possible, it would definitely create a rethink in how one goes about hauling! With an ICE vehicle, depending on the vehicle size and type, coasting and engine braking are used to gradually being a load to a stop. With no engine in a BEV, if regenerative braking from the hauled vehicle/trailer could play a part in extending the range of tow vehicle, that would help recoup what the tow vehicle loses during hauling!
    On the question of “real” gear hears getting into BEVs, I doubt it, but I think a different “e” gear head may emerge from the transition. Individuals are already tinkering around with the EV’s Electric system and increasing rains and adding power to what’s already on tap. I think the ‘gearhead’ will give way to ‘techhead’ and instead of having greasy tools in hand, they’ll be behind laptops and keyboards, dialing up the performance from the vehicles electronically and digitally!

  27. Tim Beaumont Says:

    Nuclear reactors. New ones are smaller, safer, more efficient and produce less spent fuel waste disposal problem. Ask Canada. Use them to generate electricity. Unfortunately, one will not be able to convince the green warriors.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 Nuclear reactors are needed to produce the steam to extract the tar sands oil from Alberta. Now, ridiculous amounts of natural gas are used for that.

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    26 I really dont think developing a trailer with its own battery is the answer for BEV trucks. There are a few key reasons. 1)In most cases trailer weight is always a concern. Camping trailers are already made as flimsy and light as possible with paneling for walls and extensive use of foam core panels. Adding a 1,200 lb battery is just counterintuitive. 2) Not to mention it only helps for that specific trailer. If you also have a boat your back to really short range towing the boat and you paid for this $12,000 battery in your other trailer. 3) BTW camping trailers depreciate horribly and adding an expensive battery, well it better be removable. 4)For most people with trailers its a leisurely thing. They go camping, boating, 4-wheeling a couple weekends a year. It would be difficult to justify a $12,000 battery to sit most of the time and only available those few weekends a year. Full-time retired travelers or for business being the exceptions.

    So to me the only way to offer the longest range is either offering the biggest battery bank or a hybrid version generator to extend range.

    For the weight savings I could see the generator being the better option. Especially if its diesel. Those are high torque low RPM and ideal for a constant RPM uses. I had a 7500W genny on my motorhome that would consume about a 1/2 gallon an hour.

    A set-up similar to the Chevy Volt may be a nice compromise but if they are banning any ICE sales I’m guessing even a hybrid is out.
    Maybe installing the generator in the trailer which many have already might be a way to get around that. I just dont see adding batteries to a trailer making much sense unless its attached almost all the time.


    12) I actually think it is everyone returning to work and thusly more traffic congestion on the roads slowing things down. That and the police have returned to patrolling as they had disappeared during the pandemic. Around here the overall volume of traffic has increased despite high gas prices. Not to pre-pandemic levels, but significantly higher than during the pandemic.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 The data says that driving is at pre-pandemic levels, at least for some months.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    30-31 Someone has to have conducted a study of the social and behavioral changes that Covid created. Was it just being at home for 6-12 weeks? I have noticed that people dont seem to have much patience with others anymore. Everyone’s behavior seems to be more aggressive including their driving. Did they become worse drivers from just not doing it on a daily basis? Spent too much time playing video games where you dont die in a horrible crash but still think you can drive the same on the street? Or does it have anything to do with new drivers and did they get the proper training or was it another “covid side-stepped” and just class time and here is your license? Could be a lot of things but in my mind there is no doubt that the shut-downs had a very real interpersonal social affect. Not to mention that many realized how important life with family and friends is. Many have had a much different approach to work after the shut downs. Not so many are willing to work the OT and make work their life. It really put stuff into perspective for many people.

  33. TMJ Says:

    Is the prototype we are seeing a Challenger or a Charger? Will you continue to build a two door Challenger and a four door Charger on this new platform? Will there also be an electric Chrysler 300 replacement built on this platform as well?