AD #3411 – GM Steps Up Battery Recycling; Tesla Sells $250 CCS Adapter; Toyota Says Fuel Cells Ready to Replace Diesels

September 22nd, 2022 at 11:56am

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Runtime: 11:33

0:00 GM Steps Up EV Battery Recycling
0:54 Tesla Sells $250 CCS Adapter
1:42 BNEF Predicts Big Surge in Electrification
3:01 Baojun’s Cute EVs
4:03 Mercedes Unveils Monster AMG C-Class
5:14 Toyota Says Fuel Cells Ready to Replace Diesels
5:57 EPA Wants Tougher Big Truck Regs
7:27 Renault’s Electric R5 Pocket Rocket
8:44 Volvo EX90 Flagship is All Electric
9:44 Bugatti Launches Certified Pre-Owned Program

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23 Comments to “AD #3411 – GM Steps Up Battery Recycling; Tesla Sells $250 CCS Adapter; Toyota Says Fuel Cells Ready to Replace Diesels”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    I really wish the ICE bans had not been announced as I could really see a BHEV being a really good fit and step toward electrification. But now that announcement will basically kill any more hybrid development. So now I will hold onto my ICE until I’m ready for a EV. I would have been in a BHEV sooner and may still in a used version.

    I’m interested in what Kuniskis has to say on the Challenger EV. The folks out there that take a vehicle and thrive on how to make it faster will likely transition over to EV’s but I also think many old timers and pure gear heads will call it quits. Sorta like when everything went computer controlled. Those guys that knew points and plugs but refused to learn fuel mapping just decided it was time to quit. Either way it will be much different and a change in whos the best.

    I’m not that familiar myself with EV powertrains so I just wonder if there is as much opportunity to tweek out speed like there has been with ICE’s? One thing for sure is when money is on the line teams will figure out how to make them faster and more effecient. All stuff thats needed right now.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1 How would future ICE bans “kill any more hybrid development”? Hybrids are the interim future. Toyota is selling them as fast as they can build them.


    1) The bans, when you read the fine print, are banning pure ICE cars. PHEV is a significant portion of the future and is expected to be a higher sales percentage then BEV. That is why you have seen recently some PHEVs being introduced with high all electric ranges such as the RAV4 Prime(50 miles) or the soon to be released Mercedes GLE(62 Miles). I would buy either one of those 2 PHEVs as the EV mileage works for my normal commute but I have ICE as a back up for the myriad of trips I do where recharging times would be a hindrance. Unfortunately the RAV4 Prime is being overpriced in the market to the point that it is not worth buying. So I will wait as it will likely end up that I can get the Mercedes cheaper than the Rav4 which seems like a silly thing to say, but these are silly times.

  4. GEORGE V RICCI Jr Says:

    Toyota fuel cell semi truck doing 400 to 500 miles a day is pretty poor. Typically, semi truck drivers go 600 to 650 mile per day. The 300 mile range on full tanks is really poor and add on top of that there are very few places to fil up at. A diesel semi truck can go 2100 on full tanks.

  5. Don Sherman Says:

    For Tim Kiniskis–

    Will the venerable HEMI adornment make the leap to Dodge’s coming BEV range of performance vehicles?

  6. Norm T Says:

    The cost to manufacturer and assemble a single power source and combine with a electric motor is would be the lowest. I think it was me tion on Autoline that GM is going from 500 engine and battery combinations to just 19 when the dust settles on BEV conversion.

  7. Norm T Says:

    3) we picked up a 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in with 575 miles on thr clock for half price back in March 2020, right before everything locked. With 37k miles it is the most efficient and favorite vehicle I have owned. The 200+ mpg and 3,000 miles per tank with a cruising range of about 600 miles is icing on the cake!


    4) All true for long haul. I assume that this is meant to address the local haul use cases where the vehicles are used for a few hundred miles per shift and require short refuel times between shifts. Long haul is likely to retain diesel for a very long time.

  9. D Ford Says:

    There are more than a couple scientists questioning the overall impact of the CO2 in the atmosphere, but has anyone pondered the impact of lower CO2 emissions? We do need enough of that stuff out there for the plants to properly convert it to oxygen. What if this rush to reduce emissions ends up having a more harmful overall effect on the environment?

  10. D Ford Says:

    As for what it will take to make an old-school gearhead to switch over? Affordability of the vehicle and the ability to make personal modifications. We can’t forget a lot of hot rodding was bourne from gearheads trying to get the most out of their meager funds by modifying what was basically affordable junk.

  11. Bob Wilson Says:

    The Toyota announcement of fuel-cell trucks is a reminder of the Trevor Milton, fraud trial over his Nikola claims. Even the pictures of Toyota semi-trucks resembles the Trevor Milton ‘glider’ shown ‘rolling down the road’ by trick photography.

    As for the 300 mile range, it comes with high-pressure, hydrogen tanks. Longer ranges are easily achieved by using anhydrous ammonia and chemically breaking it into nitrogen and hydrogen. Fortunately, the economics of hydrogen need not be discussed … except by the customers.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 Atmospheric concentration of CO2 has increased about 50% since the start of the industrial revolution, so I don’t think we need to worry about not having enough CO2 in the atmosphere.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Can reactors to dissociate ammonia be small enough to do it on board a truck? If so, that could be useful, as ammonia liquifies at a pressure that allows a lot of it to be stored in small volume.

    I’m not sure how great it would be environmentally, though, as most ammonia is produced commercially by combining hydrogen from natural gas with nitrogen using a process that consumes more natural gas.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11,13 I find that fuel cells can use ammonia directly, but commercial ammonia uses a lot of natural gas to produce.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    2 It just seems that engine development has gone belly up. I think it was two years ago ALD reported that no OEM’s had anymore new engine developments in their future plans. So all hybrids will be with existing technology?
    That doesnt seem right because most hybrids really lean toward Atkinson cycle engines. So one would think there would be some serious development into a real efficient small Atkinson engines.

    3 Thanks I did not hear the bans were on ICE only vehicles. They never state it that way. Just that it bans ICE sales. In that case I could see BEV’s accounting for 50% sales by 2030 when HBEVs are included.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    4, 8 – The Toyota trucks were part of a test, based out of the LA and Long Beach ports. Those trucks make many short runs per day to get containers out of the ports and into distribution centers. The ports have some of the dirtiest air on the planet because of all the diesel exhaust. California encouraged this test to see what the air quality improvement would be and to prove the viability of fuel cell trucks. So, yes – these trucks were configured for this specific use case.

    However, fuel cell powered trucks can be configured for long haul as well, mostly by fitting larger hydrogen tanks. Soon, those will be able to be refueled at truck stops along major trucking routes, making long haul fuel cell trucks viable competitors to diesel. Every major truck manufacturer has fuel cell models in development and testing. It is going to start taking over heavy duty trucking.

    While Milton was too much of a huckster for his own good, he was not wrong about the concept and Nikola is still one of the leaders in the field.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 I suspect there is still some new devopment of ICEs, at least on the margins. The engine in my Highlander is a mildly hopped up Atkinson tuned version of the 2.5 in my 2018 Camry hybrid. The version in the Highlander was new in 2020, and refinement will continue.

    As far as ICEs in general, can they get much more efficient? I doubt it.

  18. wmb Says:

    #15.) While it may be true that the engine tech may be older, it stands to reason that the hybrid tech would become more advanced and allow for longer engine off times. The issues with the engines, is that automakers were have to add more and more expensive tech to make the ICE more emissions compliant. With the greater expense with each generation, the more the OEM had to either eat the cost or past some or all over to the buyer! With hybrids or PHEVs, the longer the vehicle runs in EV as a result of newer battery chemistry, or an overall light vehicle platform/architecture, the less the ICE runs and less of a need to update the engine and emissions tech! The better the battery side of the hybrid, the less work and money on the engine/emissions side. Why invest heavily in something the industry is moving and has been moving away from? The big heavy duty engines may still have a longer life cycle, but the smaller displacement, passenger vehicle, IC engines don’t appear to have much of a future. Time will tell how long that might be!

  19. Walter Hanisch Says:

    Finally, an EV that doesn’t just take a battery and stuff it into a car frame. The KIWI has some interesting designs.
    Not a muscle car guy but having a tough time with the phrase EMC Electric Muscle Car.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 There may be ways to improve effiency of hybrids, but I’m impressed with what’s currently available. I get ~40 mpg in a mix of 3-6 mile trips, and some 60-62 mph highway driving with a too heavy, too tall Highlander hybrid. That seems good to me, for the nature of the vehicle. How much better can they do?

  21. ChuckGrenci Says:

    19, I’m with you. When there is an option to add fake sound to your electric muscle car, that says a lot. But I’m sure there will be a lot of takers.

  22. wmb Says:

    Just saw ALAH and what a great show! Mr. Kiniskis and his team, sound that have done a lot of work to make their product unique in the market place, has labor vision o who they are their target customer and what they want. I think what the do with the ‘e’ muscle car, will impact what and how Ford and Chevy will eventually do with the EV Mustang, Camaro and the Corvette too! I also think the BEV Cayman and Boxster will as well. While it is easy to lump the Challenger in with the Mustang and Camaro, but Mr. Kiniskis was very clear that the Challenger and Charger are ‘muscle cars’ and not pony car! Will Dodge loose some gear heads? Sure, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they gained more followers then they lost! The future is a very exciting place, if your buckled into the driver’s set at Dodge!

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 I just hope they will make it easy to turn off the fake engine noise, and have it stay off. That big hatchback looks appealing, except for the noise.