AD #3484 – BYD Could Outsell Tesla; Wyoming Wants to Ban EVs; Americans Don’t Plug In Their PHEVs Enough

January 16th, 2023 at 11:56am

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0:08 BYD Could Outsell Tesla In 2023
0:56 EV Demand Caught Lithium Miners by Surprise
1:41 Wyoming Wants to Ban EVs
2:49 MG Outsells Mitsu & Hyundai In Australia
3:31 MG Cyberster Concept
4:13 Volvo To Make a Minivan?
5:28 Americans Don’t Plug in Their PHEVs Enough
6:32 Opel Astra PHEV Rated At 213 MPG
7:30 Beware the Ides of March
8:20 Win $100,000 From Chevrolet

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37 Comments to “AD #3484 – BYD Could Outsell Tesla; Wyoming Wants to Ban EVs; Americans Don’t Plug In Their PHEVs Enough”

  1. rick Says:

    why is the opel astra phev not sold by gm in america?

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    1, GM no longer owns Opel.

  3. Albemarle Says:

    Wyoming reminds me of Quebec Canada in the 1970’s when they were the largest supplier of asbestos in the world. When money and jobs are involved there’s no limit.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    Not really sure how folks in the Lithium business got caught flat footed. Hey! heads up demand is going to keep growing from here on out.

    Sean you never stated the all electric range if the Opel. Or does it use the ICE over a certain speed? Either way 213 MPG is impressive while still quick off the line.

  5. wmb Says:

    @1.) Mainly because it’s not a GM product, but one from Stellantis!

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Stellantis owns Opel, so if they ever sold an Opel in the US, they would probably badge it Jeep or Dodge.

  7. rick Says:

    why isnt opel astra phev sold in america as whatever gm brand they want to call it here? thought mary barra was this rockstar ceo.

  8. Norm T Says:

    Why isn’t the Buick Velite PHEV sold here? Cadillac XT5 hybrids? Nope!

  9. Dave Says:

    since Lithium it the 5th most common element in the world there is no shortage of ore rather refining capacity and with many novel refining processes all coming to the forefront that will change in a few years plus with all those engineering minds[STEM] working on all the issues of BEVs many if not most issues will be solved

  10. Drew Says:

    1. I also see quite a bit of the BMW Z4 in the bodyside of that MG concept.

    2. I’m willing to bet (and I’m not a betting man) that PHEVs are being plugged in as often as possible, but their limited EV range results in more gas-powered driving than the east coast analysts can acknowledge as a real world reality (redundancy intended) in the fly-over states.

    3. I agree there will be fewer off-lease vehicles, but the timing of the effect may be hard to pinpoint as OEMs initially deferred lease turn-ins… then many lessees bought-out their lease (taking advantage of the rising used car values and limited new car inventories).

  11. Warwick DUNDAS Says:

    MG’s dramatic sales growth down under will only continue. They have achieved dramatic sales increases with just 3 models. This year 2 more will join the line-up, including the new electric MG4 which is selling strongly in Europe.

  12. DanaPointJohn Says:

    Wyoming: Where it is 1950 all the time.

  13. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Wyoming’s legislation to ban BEV’s must be somehow political as it seems awfully myopic; just ‘shutup’ and leave it to the people. They don’t have to endorse BEV’s, just leave it alone; seems Wyoming would pro freedom and let the individual choose.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 And with a population about 1/68 that of California. More vehicles would be sold in a week in CA than a year in WY.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Yeah, it’s just a publicity stunt for the least populous state in the U.S. I doubt if many car companies are worried about the Wyoming market.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Seven of the 10 most popular “cars” in Wyoming are big pickup trucks.

    https://tap.fremontmotors.com/top-10-most-popular-vehicles-in-wyoming/

  17. GM Veteran Says:

    Once the EV conversion is complete, there won’t be any OEMs that will keep a plant running just to build ICE vehicles for Wyoming. The citizens better get used to buying used cars.

    I bet tourism is a major contributor to Wyoming’s economy and creates quite a few jobs. How will visitors charge their EVs when they go to Wyoming? Perhaps this short-sighted publicity stunt will be revisited and they will continue working on the buildout of their charging networks.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    Volvo to sell a minivan in China? Hey, why not?
    Buick sells a lot of them there, where many mid-level and higher executives are chauffer-driven and enjoy a very high degree of personalized comfort in the rear seat area, often working while they are in transit.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    13 Yeah! I think Wyoming would be more on the side of freedom of choice and just not ban ICEs. Obviously, it was more about making a statement. But it highlights the fact that a nationwide decision to go electric may sound great on paper but isn’t exactly the solution for some of the country. California/NY thinks the whole rest of the country should do what they do.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Nearly every car company sells minivans everywhere, except the U.S. and Canada. They are often called “MPVs” and most are smaller than Pacifica/Sienna, etc. sold in the U.S.

  21. Albemarle Says:

    From what I’ve read, in Europe there are tax advantages for companies to provide PHEVs as company cars which is the market most are sold. However, employees given the choice between filling with gas using a company fuel card or paying for the electricity to charge at home, unsurprisingly chose the former.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 It looks like the companies should reimburse the employees by miles/km driven, and let them buy gas or electricity with their own money. Then, they’d have more incentive to plug in the PHEVs.

  23. D Ford Says:

    EV? ICE? How about we build both and let people buy what suits their own needs instead of trying to force “one-size-fits-all” and disrupt a whole lot of jobs/industries/citizens? The segment who can only afford cars that are 15-20 years old are the ones who will bear the brunt of replacement battery costs for older EVs and this could potentially take affordable transportation away from the poorest people in society.

  24. Roger t Says:

    PHEV – I drive a phev and it’s my second plug car. On my first (Volt), I drove 99% of the time in electric mode, I purchased gas once or twice per year. Currently I drive a phev Volvo, so I drive in electric mode everyday and drive on gas on trips primarily. Phev cars do things gas cars and electric cars can’t do, I find it amazing. Too bad stats show few people leverage this properly, I suspect most people don’t have easy access to L2 charger, or their garage is full of crap instead of available for parking. Hope regulators don’t punish people like me by making these vehicles inaccessible going forward.

    IDES – I think used cars will not go up in price as inventory of new cars are high at the moment, if used cars get pricier people will just buy new. And cars that are more than 3 years old are available. I see reports that auctions inventory suggest used car prices are trending downwards not upwards.

  25. Roger t Says:

    PHEV – I drive a phev and it’s my second plug car. On my first (Volt), I drove 99% of the time in electric mode, I purchased gas once or twice per year. Currently I drive a phev Volvo, so I drive in electric mode everyday and drive on gas on trips primarily. Phev cars do things gas cars and electric cars can’t do, I find it amazing. Too bad stats show few people leverage this properly, I suspect most people don’t have easy access to L2 charger, or their garage is full of crap instead of available for parking. Hope regulators don’t punish people like me by making these vehicles inaccessible going forward.

    IDES – I think used cars will not go up in price as inventory of new cars are high at the moment, if used cars get pricier people will just buy new. And cars that are more than 3 years old are available. I see reports that auctions inventory suggest used car prices are trending downwards not upwards.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24,25 Even though I’d have a place to plug one in less than half the year, I’d like the idea of plug-in hybrids, if they would match, or nearly match the mpg of non plug-in hybrids when running on gas. Most of them don’t even come close. For those who can do most of their driving on plug-in power, they make sense. For those of us who couldn’t plug them in regularly, they do not.

  27. Bob Petrach Says:

    #10
    I’d agree on your point 2. If I look at my driving, I make two or three 15 mile trips and two 180 mile trips a week, with an occasional 45 mile trip tossed in. At best I’d get about 90 miles of electric driving in.

  28. Norm T Says:

    Since I first picked up a Cadillac CT6 2.0E plug-in at the beginning of Covid in April 2020, I have averaged 36 gallons of gasoline usage annually. That is average almost 15,000 miles annually and about 40 miles per charge. The 2.0T engine regularly see almost 40 mpg too.

  29. Norm T Says:

    26. I’m averaging over 100 mpg for three years driving almost 15k annually. I have seen a few thankful close to 200 mpg on a tank of gas.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28,29 That’s pretty good. It sounds like you have a good place to plug in, probably at home. You have low operating cost, and with a very nice car. Do they still sell it in China? It seems that China gets all of the good stuff from GM, like Buick wagons and sedans, and maybe still the CT6.

  31. Roger t Says:

    26 – if you can’t plug it then it doesn’t make sense unless it’s an suv (drag). I got overall average 1,000 mpg on my volt, but when running on gas only I think I got 35. My Volvo suv gets about the same gas mpg vs mild hybrid, about 28 – 30 (Volvo xc60). Volvo doesn’t keep track of overall average like my volt did.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    My daily drive to work is about 28 miles so 56 round trip. Take into consideration cold weather and battery degradation. I would think an EV with 100 mile range would work for my daily commute and any other running I may have to do. However, that means the car would absolutely need to be plugged in every weeknight. Forget one night and I cant get to work in the morning. Or I might have enough to get there but would need to charge before I came home. My employer currently doesnt offer any charging and I dont know of any nearby. So for me an EV is not of any interest to me. I would absolutely consider a CT6 like Norm T. That sounds like a perfect solution for my driving needs and its sad that the bureaucrats are basically making the PHEVs go away with the ICEs’. So I will likely hold onto my ICE much longer than they would like (for the environment) because they think EVs just work for everyone.

  33. Norm T Says:

    Time to ask your facility manager about using an outside outlet for your eight or so hours you’re at work, at the least. I have worked many 12-hour days and could easily charged my CT6 PHEV on 120v vs 240v. But it is nice parking under a solar canopy on hot days as the car is much cooler getting into vs one sitting in the sun.

  34. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    As much as I think ICE bans are silly, an EV ban is equally silly. Seems to me the right choice is to let everyone decide what works best for them.

  35. Lawrence Says:

    BYD’s on its way to outselling Tesla, but it has not yet gained the quality accolades that Tesla has. It will take awhile for the leader of that race to come into focus.
    But there’s no question that BYD is winning the model diversity race.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 BYD quite possibly has better build quality than Tesla, but Tesla leads everyone in EV powertrain efficiency, in some cases, by a wide margin.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 Wyoming’s EV ban is a non-serious stunt. The state is a land of anarchy, and probably allows use of unlicensed APVs and electric golf carts everywhere. Will they ban golf carts along with Teslas? I doubt it. As far as ICE bans, they will be adjusted to reality as 2030-2035 draws near.

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