AD #3490 – Honda Creates New BEV Division; Ford Backs Away from EVs with VW; Nissan Eyes Electric Mid-Size Pickup

January 24th, 2023 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 9:35

0:00 Ford Backs Away from EVs with VW
1:26 Ford Could Shrink Footprint in Europe
1:59 Honda Creates New Division to Make BEVs
3:26 Aptera Surrenders, Agrees to DCFC
4:39 Renault to Sell Used Cars Globally
5:13 Nissan Eyes Electric Mid-Size Pickup
6:06 Russia Revives 1963 V8 Engine
7:30 Lightyear Favors Affordable Model
8:05 California Dominates U.S. EV Market

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19 Comments to “AD #3490 – Honda Creates New BEV Division; Ford Backs Away from EVs with VW; Nissan Eyes Electric Mid-Size Pickup”

  1. Jim Haines Says:

    How are electric cars zero emissions and the state that has the most blackouts has the most electric cars fully checks all the boxes

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Mid-size or full size the truck market seems to be a good place to go electric. They have the space for battery storage and can pull the kind of money needed to make an EV profitable.
    The question to be answered will be, if consumers are happy with the range if they actually use them as trucks. Because there is a large majority of truck buyers that don’t tow or haul very often it could be a very successful segment.

  3. Albemarle Says:

    Interesting how we get all the positive OEM news from the likes of GM and Ford, then shortly after we get revised information. Like GM limiting its partnership with LG and Ford having second and third thoughts about tying up with VW and its place in Europe.

    I think these new announcements are much closer to the reality. Why a large company with multi-year outlook and planning ever made the earlier announcements is a puzzle.

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    It’s too bad that AV technology isn’t further along than it is. If we could prevent most accidents, we could start to lighten vehicles up and remove some of that mass. This would help provide range to EVs and ICE vehicles. But AV would need to be so widely used that crashes were a rarity. That Aptera looks light, and I suppose due to its three wheeled configuration it isn’t required to meet much of the same crash requirements of a 4 wheeled vehicle.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It should be easy to design cars without prototypes, using today’s technology. The Boeing 777 was designed entirely using CAD, and the first one built was close to the final production design. I guess one thing different with airplanes, though, is that they don’t need to survive crash tests.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    Aptera’s quick change of mind doesn’t really matter. That would only come into play if they were actually going to produce vehicles. And, like Elio, they won’t. No one is going to invest the money necessary to bring this pipe dream to reality. If 3-wheeled vehicles were such a good idea, the major automakers would have started offering them years ago. We all know that reservations are very different from buyers. If Aptera has not been able to sell a vehicle after being around for 20 years, they really have no shot at success.

  7. GM Veteran Says:

    Its really a shame that Putin has torpedoed his country’s economy over his dream of remaking the USSR. From 2011 to 2017, the Russian auto market was growing rapidly, on track to become the 2nd largest in Europe behind Germany. Once the sanctions started to really bite as a result of the 2014 Crimea invasion, their auto market started shrinking faster than it had been growing. Today it is a joke. Ironically, the Chinese will be able to sell them pretty decent cars. But few will be made in Russia. I have to imagine that other industries in Russia experienced the same boom and bust scenario. That is tough to come back from, especially if most of the rest of the world shuns you.

    It sets up a real opportunity for China to become Russia’s economic and material lifeline. Not a great position for Putin to put his country in. It could end up as a country that is basically controlled by China. A sad prospect for the Russian people.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    From what I found, it appears that those Russian V8s will be used mostly for buses, both new ones and as repair parts.

  9. Wim van Acker Says:

    @1 try to write a coherent sentence. Not one starting with a question and continuing with rambling.

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @Russian V8: can anyone read the Russian text on the blue sign on 6 m 23 s? Does it say 6.5 million units built?

  11. Wim van Acker Says:

    @10 it seems to be the 4.2 L V8 ZMZ-53 engine.

  12. Nc Says:

    Thanks Sean. I am wondering how the media will cover the decline of the car sales. Especially as soon as a plant is closed. Jeep just did and the only blip was the union. I wonder how the coverage was when the steel mills started closing in PA. It is sad but in the next three years the plants will start closing. What you reported today on Ford is kinda the trickle that will turn into a river.

  13. thredd Says:

    I don’t think GM, Ford, or Stellantis should worry about midsized EV pickups until they can make and sell the full sized ones they’ve been advertising. Only 15,000 Ford Lightnings all of last year isn’t a strong start (in a truck market)… Whether its supply issues or others, there’s a reason why only a few were built.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 From this, about a third of the way down, it looks like there were, in fact, 6,531,101 of the engines made. The number may include the ZMZ-53, and the new, improved ZMZ-523/524. That sounds like a lot of bus engines, but maybe they were used in some of Khrushchev’s limos too.

    https://socialbites.ca/automobile/133038.html

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe some of the Russian engines are also in 1958 Buicks in Cuba.

  16. wmb Says:

    I take it that Nissan’s mid-size pickup EV, will be on a version of the Frontier’s ICE platform and not a new, purpose built EV architecture. This would make it a bit smaller then the R1T and a long way from any direct competition to the full size pickups that will be on the market, when it gets here! Yet, IMHO, Nissan show look into building a compact BEV pickup as well. The compact pickup market only has two vehicles in the US. Most of them in the US will not be used like full-size, or even mid-size pickups, but mainly for light duty, active life style stuff. So range may not really be an issue, yet the could from time-to-time be called on to haul a few things in a pinch. With an average transaction price in the mid $30K, they could have a run away success in the making.

  17. Drew Says:

    @4 – The present AV technology path is a very long one and unlikely to be robust for adverse weather.

    I fully appreciate the desire to reduce crashes due to human error. But replacing human error with machine error isn’t a good solution either.

    The most reliable technology is DSRC… dedicated short range communication… wherein each vehicle and road user (bikes, pedestrians, et.a.) communicate their existence. The technology to transmit, receive and process the information is very cheap… particularly in comparison to the myriad of lidars, radars, and cameras needed to do a fraction of the work of DSRC. Newer vehicles with the system integrated will be able to autonomously brake and steer clear. Non-integrated vehicles, cyclists, and pedestrians will be warned about impending collision threats.

    The key for DSRC effectiveness is market saturation, which is easily achievable via retrofit black boxes on existing vehicles… or apps on a cell phone… with benefits to cyclists and pedestrians. Just as we successfully transitioned to HDTV with retro fit black boxes, such a transition for traffic safety should be a piece of cake with government, auto industry, and insurance industry cooperation.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    17 Thats actually a pretty good idea. I’m not sure how accurate the DSRC tech is for avoiding another vehicle, but it would likely stop the hwy pile ups that happen when everyone comes to a sudden stop.
    A quick search for the main causes of accidents and the top 6 are.
    1)Distracted driving
    2)Speeding
    3)Drunk driving
    4)Reckless Driving
    5)Rain
    6)Running red lights or stop signs

    AV tech like auto braking and lane assist can help with some of those causes. And I agree with you that the path to full AV is a very long path. Beyond the very limited locations of an inner city set location in good weather, I don’t see full autonomy being capable for a good 10-20 years at the earliest.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    Interesting story and no so happy Tesla owners. The price reductions could really upset buyers.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/a-tesla-buyer-says-she-effectively-lost-10-810-overnight-after-the-carmaker-slashed-prices/ar-AA16ICav?cvid=7e2d62e0861047bc94acc1b1456fdb5e

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