AD #3522 – EU On Road to Big IRA Exemption; Ford EU Struggles Could Lead to Massive Changes; NIO Develops EV Wagon for EU

March 9th, 2023 at 11:58am

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Runtime: 10:41

0:00 EU On the Road to Big IRA Exemption
1:12 Analysts Skeptical Over Ford’s EU Plans
3:29 NIO Develops EV Wagon for Europe
4:54 Nissan Commonizing EV Components
5:43 AR HUDs Set to Explode
7:05 Mack Trucks Going Electric
8:18 ZF Moves Into the Software Age
8:54 More Electric Black Cabs Than Diesel

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17 Comments to “AD #3522 – EU On Road to Big IRA Exemption; Ford EU Struggles Could Lead to Massive Changes; NIO Develops EV Wagon for EU”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    When you say “The black cabs in London prevented more than 162,000 metric tons of CO2 from being emitted”. Is that assuming Zero CO2 was created or emitted in the making of the electricity used to charge them when they were plugged in?
    Cause a lot of these EV stories promoting how emission free they are, tend to forget where the power comes from and that there is likely CO2 per kWh generated. 41% of the UK’s power comes from coal or gas.
    Its heading in the right direction and certainly a positive but lets not forget that electricity isnt free of its own CO2 emissions. I dont know if anyone has ever established a CO2 emissions per kWh. I doubt they want to.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I hope those London taxis are driven mostly with plug-in power, because they will be horribly inefficient on gas, using their series operated engine-generator.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The NIO wagon looks nice. It would be great with the powertrain from a Camry hybrid. It must be big, carrying up to a 150 kWh battery.

  4. Lew Says:

    More predictions than results from the auto industry. Semi electric cabs in London is good, but from Geely and not from GB or the EU? THIS night’s AAH about Tesla’s price cuts is my go to TV tonight.

  5. Albemarle Says:

    They are referring to the vehicle alone. Preventing co2 is the name of the game. Cities are cleaner without gas and diesel vehicles, people live longer etc..

    Now if we look at the source of the energy to power the vehicle, we see that the mining, shipping, refining and transportation of gas and diesel releases many times the co2 of coal fired generating stations. It wins on both ends.

    Don’t believe me? Take a summer road trip to the Alberta tar sands. They offer small plane tourist flights. Shocking and upsetting, it’s amazing what people will do for money. And when the oil is all gone, the companies that made this environmental devastation will disappear even faster.

  6. Albemarle Says:

    I wonder how many NIO battery swap stations the 13 cars have access to?

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 The London taxis are assembled in the UK.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    5 Preventing CO2 may be the name of the game and I’m not denying that a BEV or even a hybrid isnt better. My only point was when they throw these huge numbers around about what they have saved you need to subtract the CO2 generated while making the electricity.
    Otherwise its like saying I had a car that got 20 mpg and I used 600 gal a year. but I bought a new one that gets 40 mpg and I only use 300 gallons so I saved 600 gallons.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    4 – And, the company was a GB company, until it went bankrupt. Geely bought the remains out of bankruptcy, modernized the vehicle and restarted production with a more modern and less polluting powertrain. I believe the older models were diesel powered.

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    8 We see the point, but when reports of pollution reduction in gasoline powered vehicles are reported, they don’t include the pollution generated from the oil drilling, oil shipping, oil refining, gasoline shipping, and electricity used by the gas station.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    10 Thats true and I see your point more clearly. I guess the only true comparison would have to be from cradle to grave. Which would be a monumental task. Trying to derive the level of emission to build and power an ICE vs a BEV. Taking into consideration the mining for oil and mining for precious metals used in battery’s. The refining and transportation of oil and of the raw materials to make the batteries. Whats generated over 15 years of use and the disposal of each. BEVs are probably better overall but it would be interesting to see the whole picture and not just what goes down the road.

  12. merv Says:

    Agreed, the London taxis have cut pollution. But I wonder how much pollution was created building the taxis? Was that cut also?

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 An important factor will be how long the vehicles last, and what parts, including batteries, will need to be replaced during their lifetime. As the batteries age, they well have their gas engines running more of the time, so they will become closer to being basic petrol hogs.

  14. Sean Wagner Says:

    The nice thing about EVs in the UK is that offshore wind energy is abundant, relatively cheap, well-established, and pretty reliable.

    As the supply shifts to more renewables, cities already benefit from less noise and air pollution, which is really nice. I remember London during the heyday of unfiltered Diesels… euch.

    “Offshore windfarm operators will sell power for as little as £37.35 per megawatt hour, 5.8% below the lowest bid in the most recent auction in 2019.”

    About $45. So five dollars to fully charge a Model S, but that’s obviously the marginal cost. Still, UK wind power output peaked at 20.9 GW last Dec., with much more to come by 2030.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 I’ve been in London twice, in the 1970s, and the air quality was not good. The double decker buses and the black taxis spewed smoke, and I remember smelling coal smoke a few times. I suppose coal was still being used for home heating at the time, at least by a few people. Today’s diesels are much cleaner than those of 50 years ago, but EVs are always good for cleaning up air in dense cities.

    That electricity is cheap, about a third of the utility rate where I am in Florida.

  16. Marshy Says:

    That’s one hell of a big engine for a series hybrid in that cab.

  17. Barry Rector Says:

    When are you going to change the same of your program to Autoline EV?