AD #3528 – More Details on VW’s $25,000 EV; Latest $4,200 EV In China; BYD Denza EV Has 2 Charging Ports

March 17th, 2023 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 10:43

0:08 Autonomy Moves Forward in China
1:20 VW Investing in Mines
1:55 VW Slashing Prices in China
2:48 Nissan Skilled Trades Reject Union
4:00 Latest $4,200 EV In China
5:10 More Details on VW’s $25,000 EV
6:29 Alpine A110 Goes Retro
8:13 BYD Denza EV Has 2 Charging Ports
9:04 Tesla Owners Sue Over Service Parts

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29 Comments to “AD #3528 – More Details on VW’s $25,000 EV; Latest $4,200 EV In China; BYD Denza EV Has 2 Charging Ports”

  1. Jim Haines Says:

    I have a scan tool that works with Tesla and most of our suppliers list and advertise parts for Tesla as well

  2. Jeff Taylor Says:

    I had one really terrible Tesla service experience and two very good ones. It seems to depend on what service writer you get. In general it seems like most Tesla service employees try to do a good job.

    When I first got my car in 2019, wait times were a month or more. More recently I was able to get an appointment within 3 days which is much better than the month we had to wait for my wife’s Volvo to get service.

    I do have to say mobile service is the bees knees. It really couldn’t have been a better experience.

  3. BobK Says:

    With automakers buying into mines, it looks like Henry Ford had the right idea about controlling the entire supply chain. I wonder what happens when the automakers realize they are getting into a field outside their core competency of auto manufacturing? It’s one thing to control your sources, but a totally different thing if you are not the low-cost producer.

  4. Lew Says:

    Mary Barra showed up with the wrong pocketbook and talked to the wrong people.
    Denza with two charging ports is a great idea. That could cut down the charging time in the USA if it was added to all EV vehicles.

  5. George Ricci Says:

    The Porsche Taycan has two charging ports. AC charging is possible on both sides, while DC charging is only possible on the right side.

  6. Lex Says:

    AAH with Sandy & Cory was EXCELLENT!

  7. Lex Says:

    Does not California have a “Right to Repair” law on the books? This would be a great topic for AAH with guest You-Tuber Rich Rebuild.

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    The twin charging ports on the Denza are a good idea, and will make for a better charging experience for the owner. Except for when they plug in and go shopping, only to return and find all of the charging slots are filled and there are other owners waiting to charge and a little peeved that this owner is hogging two chargers.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 AAH was good, and set a record for length. They usually sign off almost precisely after an hour, but yesterday’s went about 1:50.

    It was even a learning experience for Sandy Murno. He didn’t know that cars had 6 volt electrical systems until the 1950s.

  10. XA351GT Says:

    i believe a big reason for workers rejecting unions is they see little upside to donating a portion of their wages to the union to get similar pay packages without one. The days of the big union wage for building cars seems to be over. car companies see that they can’t sustain the generous pension packages of the past. At one point I read that the big 3 paid out as much to retired workers as they did to those still on the job. The Big 3 no longer have a 80 % share of the American market and it would not be able to keep it a float. So giving someone else the power to tell you to sit on your hands for a few dollars more while they still collect a paycheck are pretty much over. Unions served a purpose back in the day , but for many of today’s workers they don’t offer a great deal. Plus the non -stop corruption cases turns people off as well.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    A quick google check UAW starting wage average is $23.13 and Non Union is between $23-25 . So where is the incentive to unionize ?

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10,11 Don’t UAW people still get pensions, and decent health benefits? It’s certainly not like it once was, but I think better than the transplants. If I’m wrong, let me know.

    A lot of today’s workers are going to be in deep financial trouble when they retire. Fewer people will have pensions that now, and there are the ongoing attempts to do away with Social Security. The politicians promise only to keep it for the “baby boomers,” but those people, including myself, have pension income, while few of today’s young people will. How many of them will save enough money for retirement?

  13. kevin A Says:

    It only makes sense to guarantee a supply of critical parts, especially if there is a long lead time or if they use rare materials. That is not new, it is just something that the OEMs forgot.

  14. kevin A Says:

    If Tesla overcharged for parts significantly, I am sure some enterprising person would start a service business that featured Chinese made Tesla parts at a lower price. Any idea on the price difference for Tesla repair parts in US vs China vs Europe?

  15. joe Says:

    Tesla making negative news again. The so call genius thinks he’s above the law. I predict customers will wakeup one day and say “no more, we’ve had enough of this guy”.
    I hope I’m not hurting the feelings of some here, because I’m threading on Tesla fans. I know some think Elon can do no wrong.

  16. kevin A Says:

    I always wanted to ask about kit cars. Assuming that they are still legal in the US, why wouldn’t Chinese EV companies sell ‘kits’ as an easy way to enter the US market. I think a lot of people might be interested in a kit based on something old and cheap, like a VW Beetle or previous generation Ford Ranger, that converted it to an EV. If they made a stage 2 kit that converted the body into a delivery van (Ford) or sports car (VW), even better.

  17. kevin A Says:

    … maybe VW should do the VW beetle EV conversion kit.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Maybe there are still some new Beetle body parts in Mexico to build them from. Maybe you’d need an old VIN for it to be legal in the US, though.

    16 Laws on kit cars seem to vary by state. A few years ago, a guy I know in Indiana built a Cobra kit car. I think the entire chassis, or most of it, was part of the kit. Maybe about anything is legal, if the volume is low enough.

  19. Albemarle Says:

    Many oems used the kit car idea to assemble vehicles in small markets. I believe Toyota used to assemble cars in New Zealand for example. I know Volvo did a bad job of assembling cars in Nova Scotia (we had one)

  20. XA351GT Says:

    Kit, Legacy workers may still , and the new hires may get something the total comp package listed online is between $70 and $75 @ hour all in. which is about the same as I get as non union assembly personnel.

  21. Drew Says:

    Kit, regarding Wednesday’s late discussion about IIHS crash testing relevance in a world of AEB-equipped vehicles… Consumer Reports provided this summary of the breadth of AEB availability:

    “AEB is proven to reduce both the frequency and severity of crashes and to save lives. Audi, BMW, Ford/Lincoln, Honda/Acura, Hyundai/Genesis, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Nissan/Infiniti, Stellantis, Subaru, Tesla, Toyota/Lexus, Volkswagen, and Volvo had already fulfilled their commitment to include AEB across most of their model lineups, according to IIHS, although Honda/Acura’s percentage of AEB-equipped vehicles dipped briefly this year amid supply chain-related manufacturing shortages.”

    Among volume brands, just GM and Kia are lagging.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Interesting. VW has AEB in their mass market stuff, and “premium” Audi, but not in Porsche, at least Boxster/Cayman, which was part of VW Group until a few months ago. Also, I’m surprised that Kia doesn’t do the same as Hyundai.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 The people on AAH predicted that Tesla would overtake GM in units sold in 2028-2030. What about Ford. They are dropping Edge and the Lincoln snail version next year. Big pickup trucks of all brands are piling up unsold. Even though Tesla has only two functional virtues, good powertrain efficiency and the best charging system for the few who use EVs for road trips, I don’t doubt the predictions that the legacy companies will be in deep trouble. Tesla may have one other huge virtue, much lower manufacturing cost than others.

  24. wmb Says:

    #10 & 11.) Why do you think that the non union OEMs pay nearly the same amount as the union OEMs? Because if they didn’t , those workers would want the same pay as the union shops and see the valued of unionizing! So even though the those shops aren’t unionized, competition with union shops, motivates leaders of those companies to keep up with those that are! If unions went away, completely, the leaders of these same companies will go back to paying employees less, rolling back MIOSHA rules, health benefits, all the while crying that they can’t make money, while those at the top line, their pockets in culvers with even more money!!! even though union, workers may be receiving bonuses around this time of the year, some of which has set records, all of that money that they’ve been awarded for the work that they’ve done, all of that together is just a drop in the bucket, of the bonuses that middle managers, executives and leaders of the company get every year! Look at the compensation and bonuses, that the leader of Stellantis got and rightly so, for the great job he did running the company. Would it be wrong for the union workers to get bonuses too? They were the ones who built the product, the customers buy that brought in the profits for the company he leads! The the union works didn’t sit on their hands, as was suggested, while the recalls were not their fault either, since they go back to poor engineering. Again, the union workers build the vehicles, they don’t design them. I kills me when individuals put the woes of the auto industry is due to the unionized workforce. The truth of the matter, for every story someone has of a union who doesn’t want to work, was fired and the union got them their job back and poor attendance case, there are hundreds others who go to work everyday, give a good honest days work and there is no issues. Get this, while people talk about union workers, you would be fooling yourself if you don’t believe that theire are members of a companies salaried, middle manager and executive work force who are being paid top dollar, but are doing nothing, has poor attendance, are involved in something that others know about that such have them fired, but they are still working or it’s being covered up, or there is some scandal, or corruption that the company is keeping quiet! There are bad apples in EVERY organization, so let’s not vilify and demonize union shops, just because they are unions. Trust me, those employers that are not unionized, that offer benefits similar to those that are, do not do that out of the kindness of their heart!

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 Yeah, unions help the non-union transplant workers, just as they helped me, as a non-union salary employee with GM, and later Delphi.

  26. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 Thats so true. I am a salaried employee at a non-union facility, and I know that I would not have many of the benefits I have, if not for the union. A perfect example is the time off between Christmas and New Years. Many other people I know not in the Auto industry are off the EVE’s and the holidays (4 days) but I’m typically off about 10-12 days. Having worked in both union and non-union plants its the threat of the union that keeps employers interested in paying similar wages and benefits. I honestly dont know if any have pensions anymore, that has seemed to been replaced by 401K contributions. That may be the biggest difference in having a union is the percentage of contribution paid. I union shop may be 50-100% match while a non union shop may only match 10%. But its things like that can make a union still look attractive.

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 I also have to agree with you that it’s unfair to blame the Union floor workers for poor quality especially in a recall situation. Any design flaw that has created a failure is absolutely engineering’s fault and even manufacturing failures should be captured by a good quality system which also falls back on engineering. The workers should not be able to build a bad product.
    A well engineered assembly line will produce the desired quantity of parts per hour without rejects. A robust quality system prevents bad parts from going out the door. The floor workers are there to run equipment and assemble parts. Almost every reject or warranty return can be traced back to a failure on engineering’s part. Short of a line worker purposely doing something like stuffing a beer bottle in a body panel. (which has been done) their job should be fool proof.


    17) There is this company doing VW electric conversions. They are done really well but a bit pricey.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Yep, a bit pricey, $78K plus the value of the car. I’m sure they do good work, though.

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