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Episode 382 – VW 3-Cylinder Diesel, New Toyota Division, Brilliance Leaves Europe

April 30th, 2010 at 12:00pm

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Volkswagen presented a new, three-cylinder engine at the Vienna Motor Symposium in Austria. Toyota is setting up a new quality-control division dedicated to feeding customer concerns into the design process. Chinese automaker Brilliance has to stop exporting cars to Europe. All that and more, plus a preview of this week’s Autoline Detroit all about some of the greatest car movies of all time.

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Here are today’s top headlines. Volkswagen comes out with a 3-cylinder diesel. Toyota forms a new quality division. And Chinese automaker Brilliance has to stop exporting cars to Europe.

Up next, we’ll be back with the news behind the headlines.

This is Autoline Daily for Friday, April 30, 2010. And now, the news.

BRILLIANT IT AIN’T
China may take over the auto industry someday, but not just yet. Gasgoo reports that Chinese car company Brilliance Automotive will stop exporting all vehicles to Europe. Those cars received poor crash ratings and Brilliance is having a hard time meeting European emissions standards. In a related development Bloomberg reports that a couple of other Chinese automakers are recruiting Japanese automotive engineers to help them figure out how to meet safety and emissions standards in Europe. I would hasten to point out the reason we haven’t seen any Chinese cars end up in the United States – as of yet – is that American emission and safety standards are even stricter than the ones they have in Europe.

DAEWOO TO DO DISAPPEARING ACT
Yesterday we reported that GM would dump the Daewoo brand name in South Korea and replace it with Chevrolet. That prompted GM to contact us and say, “Hey, wait a minute!  Not so fast.  The press release clearly states that we’re keeping the Daewoo name.” So I dug a little deeper and here’s what my sources tell me. GM was going to dump the Daewoo brand all at once but ran into a backlash from its union and a government agency in South Korea. So now it’s going to phase the brand name out. Every time a Daewoo model gets phased out, the new one will be badged as a Chevrolet.

TOYOTA’S NEW QUALITY DIVISION
In an interesting step to improve its tarnished reputation, the AP reports that Toyota is setting up a new quality-control division dedicated to feeding customer concerns into the design process. In related news, an outside panel of industry experts has been assembled to conduct a broad review of the company’s operations. The independent, seven-member group is lead by former U.S. Secretary of Transportation, Rodney Slater. It also includes Brian O’Neill formerly of the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. It will advise Toyota’s North American affiliates on quality and safety issues.

3-CYLINDER DIESEL FROM VW (Login required)
In what seems to be the latest automotive fad, Volkswagen presented a new, three-cylinder engine at the Vienna Motor Symposium in Austria. The 1.2-liter TDI diesel delivers 75 PS – about 74 horsepower – and 180 NM or torque, which is roughly 133 pound feet. Look for the new engine under the hood of the company’s super-efficient Polo BlueMotion. Vee-Dub hasn’t released any fuel economy figures yet, but don’t be surprised if this thing can circle the Earth four times on a single tank.

STEEL PRICES HEAD NORTH (subscription required)
The price of steel is about to head up again. According to the Wall Street Journal, rising raw material costs, such as coal and iron ore, are to blame. The average global price for steel this month rose 12 percent. And ArcelorMittal, the world’s largest steel producer, says it’s now paying 80 percent more for raw materials than a year ago and they’ll pass that extra cost on to its customers, which obviously includes every car company in the world.

CAR FEE TO FUND NHTSA
Earlier this week we reported that Congress is proposing new safety rules for automakers. To pay for all that the Detroit News reports that there is a new proposal in Congress to tack a fee on every new car. The bill would double NHTSA’s budget by $100 million next year – and boost it to $280 million by 2013. The fee would start at $3 the first year, work its way up $9 by the third year and after that would increase with the rate of inflation.

What are the best car movies that you can see? We’ll be talking about that, right after this.

Cars and movies just seem to go together. Some of the greatest lines ever spoken on the silver screen relate to the automobile. On this week’s Autoline Detroit we are into Part II of looking at some of the greatest car movies of all time.

Great line. You can catch that entire episode of Autoline Detroit right now. Joining me for that discussion are Jim Hall from 2953 Analytics, Todd Lassa from Motor Trend magazine, and the Autoextremist, Peter De Lorenzo.

A couple of weeks ago we asked you to let us know what you think about Autoline Daily and how we can make it better. We got a great response. Overall you told us you love the show, and gave us a lot of good ideas. Some we can act on right away, some will take a little longer. You’ll start to see some of those changes starting Monday, as we continue to strive to make the Autoline Daily your best source of automotive information. Thank you for your help and input.

OK, it’s Friday, which means its time for our trivia quiz. We asked you this question: “Motorola was the first company to put radios in cars in the 1920s. Where did the company get its name?” And the answer is, it’s a combination of the words Motor and Victrola, a type of phonograph that was popular back in its day. And the winner is, Dave Marsh of Orange County, California. Congratulations Dave, you’ve just won an Autoline Detroit baseball hat.

And that’s it for today’s top news in the global automotive industry. Thanks for watching, we’ll see you next week.

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52 Comments to “Episode 382 – VW 3-Cylinder Diesel, New Toyota Division, Brilliance Leaves Europe”

  1. dcars Says:

    Great show as always and loved last night show about car names, it was very interesting. Nina Beckhart knows her names. You even talked about soccer! I’m not too thrilled about another tax on cars for more regulations. I doubt that it will go into making cars safer, but will pay for things that have nothing to do with autos.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The recent proliferation of 3 cylinder engines isn’t so much a fad, as it is manufacturers using the right number of cylinders for the size of the engine. Other things being equal, few cylinders provide better thermal efficiency than more cylinders, and three is a good number for a 1.2 liter engine that will have an operating rpm range of about 1000-4500 rpm. The hard part might be making these engines smooth enough to be accepted in today’s cars, but I suspect they have that worked out with VW’s 1.2 diesel

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The safety item that all cars need is an on-baord cell phone jammer.

  4. BOB LONGMATE Says:

    Talking of performance cars and their names:

    I was surprised that no one mentioned what I think is perhaps THE most descriptive of names: COBRA – Foretelling it’s capability of: Ready to pounce with Lightning quick ‘strikes’…

    Speaking of cult movies: “The Lively Set” w/ James Darrin, Pamela Tiffin, Doug McClure.
    The Cars: 1963 Chrysler Turbine / Dual Ghia

  5. Mycar Says:

    It is amazing that VW is able to do what the “Big 3″ and others have not done or don’t want to do in the US and that is develop small diesel engines. With the fuel prices going back towards the $ 3.00 plus range, VW has a hold on the market with vehicles that get 30-50 MPG. The best others can do other than Hybirds, is get between 20-35 MPG. The excuse commonly heard is that diesels cannot meet the emission, I say that if VW and can do it so can others.

  6. pedro fernandez Says:

    John: good call on the Chinese cars and why they don’t come here. I’ve been saying the same thing for a long time now and been ridiculed on this forum for stating that same thing. Kit: if I had a beer for every person I see texting/driving daily I’d be drunk all the time and unable to work. This is how they do it: hold the phone with both hands on top of the steering wheel and text away while you’re looking ahead and at the phone simultaneously. local body shops are enjoying a brisk upsurge in rear end collisions.

  7. MOHAMMAD RAFI Says:

    “The safety item that all cars need is an on-baord cell phone jammer.”

    Kit, you’ve got to be kidding, right? I mean how would you like to be in a situation where you have an emergency and you can’t call for help because your car is jamming the phone signal? What we need is more driver education and not giving out driver’s licenses like hot cakes to any and everyone. I own a car and a phone. And I know that using both at the same time endangers myself and the public. So, when I do need to make a call, I either pull over to a safe place or wait till I get to a red light and then I make the call as short as possible. And I don’t support the use of hands-free devices. As it’s not holding the phone that takes away driver’s attention, but it’s the conversation itself. So whether hands-free or not, phones in cars should not be used, unless there’s an emergency.

  8. Nick Stevens Says:

    “dcars Says:
    April 30th, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    Great show as always and loved last night show about car names, it was very interesting. Nina Beckhart knows her names”

    I strongly disagree, Dcars. I am not at all impressed with her. She does NOT represent serious auto enthusiasts, but all the clueless secretaries that do not mind buying a car named “Picanto” (SIC). Ridiculous!

    Serious Auto enthusiasts want names that convey as much info about the car as possible, and at least its size class and engine/hp class too.

    Rabbits, Picantos, Auras and Achievas-lemonas just do not cut it, aqnd the fools tha tpaid tina millions for such names would do better to just burn that $ off to show off to their mistresses how rich they are.

  9. Nick Stevens Says:

    PS as i was driving back to the office from our graduation ceremonies (had a chaired PhD student whose parents came from china (and also the wife and son), i saw not one but THREE Fiat 500s, two gleaming white and one black and white paintjob. They looked good fit and finish-wise, and the styling was cute, but they are really short… how many will pay good $ to buy 2/3rds of a car?

  10. Nick Stevens Says:

    PS for those who think that China is as bad as India, you really have not studied recdent history. it took the Koreans over 20 years to succeed in the US and Europe. The chinese have not even STARTED.

    NOR DO THEY NEED TO (do you hEAR, pedro?)

    BECAUSE GM sells MORE excellent cars in CHINA than even in the USA!

    BECAUSE China has an internal market that in 2009 became MUCH BIGGER than even the BIGGEST market in the workld, the US market, and NOBODY rthinks that the US will ever exceed China car sales, EVER AGAIN. instead, as we wallow between 10 and 12 million cars a year, and will take years to reach our old 17 million peak, the chinese will be selling 41 million every year in their maerket.

    THEY DO NOT NEED US, they have saved a TON of $, and they buy most of their cars CASH too, in total contrast to the losers here who live on CREDIT!!!

    These are the HARD FACTS. if you prefer to stick your head in the sand and ignore them, do it at your own peril, i can’t stop you.

  11. pedro fernandez Says:

    If the Chinese don’t need this market, then they should just stop trying to get into it, don’t hire the Japanese engineers and let their own get better. But they won’t because they need to prove that they can compete with the best, eventually even taking on the German brands, and who knows, they might just succeed, but right now they’re just not ready to compete with other Asian brands.

  12. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Nick compared to what HKAG sells in the rest of the world, its America and Europe where they still need to do work. If they sold cars like the way they do in many other countries in America and Europe they would definately be #3 if not #2 in global production.

    With some of the way you guys talk in here about trying HKAG cars, you guys sound like someone is putting a gun to your head to do it. You guys sound like the guys in a locker room scared to share towels with a guys who has HIV.

  13. HtG Says:

    Come on Nick, are you saying that names like Corvette or Testarossa don’t move your needle? Or that using number names doesn’t also convey that the car was built with an engineering culture as driving force? Besides, she was easier on the eyes than Delorenzo or Welch.

  14. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Anyway on this Daewoo thing. If I was South Korea Id do a Cease and desist order on GM immediately. Its not good for the country if they have even less domestic brands.

    GM Milked Daewoo, and purposely held their quality back so one day they would be weak enough for them to take over.

    How would you like it if some foreign company came to our country to milk an automaker until they are dry, and then tossed them over their shoulders like a used whore?

    OH YEAH ITS ALREADY HAPPENED BEFORE.

    With FIAT and Chrysler, FIAT has an easier job, they plan to let Chyrsler collaspe. 2014 FOR CHYRSLER BADGED SMALL CARS, ARE YOU F—ING KIDDING ME?

    Besides being the only make with a credible offer, the government also allowed the agreement because FIAT PROMISED THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE CHRYSLER SMALL CARS WITHIN 12-24 MONTHS.

    NOT 5 YEARS!!!

    Its as if FIAT is purposely sabbotaging whats left of Chyrsler that Chyrsler didnt sabbotage themselves. 1 more severe gas price hike and these guys are done.

    The Government should have nationalized Chyrsler, cleaned house, and started fresh. Once Chyrsler became truly profitable and able to run on its own, the Government can then cut them loose. Instead they got a deal with a GREEDY and RECKLESS Tycoon where the taxpayer will end up getting screwed at the end of the day.

    CHRYSLER=NEW AMC

    By the way, its looking like another 18K+ month for Sonata.

  15. Puremoose Says:

    Hi John
    Why don’t you have a contest to pick a NEW LOGO for Autoline?
    You could pick something sharper than the words “Autoline” to put on Cups and Hats

  16. Alex Kovnat Says:

    Today I would like to address this forum on a topic that is not among those discussed above. What I am about to discuss is a serious, urgent matter that all participants in the auto industry must pay attention to.

    I’m sure all of us are aware of the offshore oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, off the Louisiana coast. It is said that some 5000 barrels of oil a day are leaking into the sea, following the oil drilling platform fire and explosion that occurred a week or so ago.

    The first and most urgent task as I see it, is to stop this awful waste of oil and the environmental destruction that is now occuring. Once that is done, which I hope will be as soon as possible, the next task is for all the world’s oil companies having any investment in offshore drilling to review offshore oil safety technology.

    What we should ask for is not so much that another oil platform fire will never occur, but also assurance that if another such disaster does occur (for example, because of an unusually destructive hurricane), the flow of oil can be shut off so as to prevent loss of irreplacable oil and the environmental destruction accompaying said loss.

    Its kind of like nuclear power, in a way. The idea with nuclear is not only so much that a meltdown should never happen but more important, that if a total meltdown does happen there will be no massive release of radioactivity into the environment.

    What worries me with the ongoing Gulf of Mexico offshore oil disaster, is not just loss of oil and environmental destruction. I am concerned that people who hate the automobile industry anyway, people like Henry Waxman of California, will use this disaster as a raison d’etre to demand ever more draconian fuel economy requirements, along with ever more draconian safety requirements and possibly also, a national 50 MPH speed limit.

    President Obama did the right thing in calling for a moratorium on further offshore drilling. I might point out though, that a moratorium for a few months or a year or two is one thing. Giving up offshore oil forever, is another. Here again, I am worried that those who have no love lost for our western way of life anyway, are going to use this disaster as an argument for giving up offshore oil for all time. Look at the way nuclear power opponents used the Three Mile Island nuclear power reactor meltdown (which, by the way, didn’t cause one thousanth of the damage to the environment that the Gulf oil disaster is causing) as an argument for giving up on nuclear power forever.

    What’s happening down south is not just an oil industry problem. Its everyone’s problem.

  17. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    What the hell is so damm hard in slowly making all vehicles hybrids? That way you can gradually ween people on to electrics.

    Why are you guys looking for Pipe Dreams=THE EASY WAY OUT:

    1. Algal Fuels, etc..

    2. Hydrogen.

    3. Pure Electrics ran on batteries alone (What a Joke).

    4. Biofuels based on food=Criminal behavior in a world where 2 Billion people either go without food PERIOD, or have general food insecurity.

    5. Cellulosic= Should be for High performance apps ONLY.

    Its all going to solar guys, that’s the way of the future. A solar cell attached to a highly advanced (sometime in the future) battery. That’s the ticket.

    Transparent Solar Panels will help people to be less reticent about it.

  18. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    EASY WAY OUT=great for a limited time, but the consequences of doing it in the long run usually are UNACCEPTABLE.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    MOHAMMAD RAFI Says:
    April 30th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    ““The safety item that all cars need is an on-board cell phone jammer.”

    Kit, you’ve got to be kidding, right? I mean how would you like to be in a situation where you have an emergency and you can’t call for help because your car is jamming the phone signal?”

    People survived “emergengies” before the advent of cell phones. Anyway, if the “emergency” thing would be a problem, how about the jammer being disabled when the car is stopped with the engine off? That should take care of things.

  20. dcars Says:

    Sorry Nick, I disagree. Numbers and letters make sense for German cars, it says allot about the country. They like numbers and science etc…. but I don’t believe that numbers would be a good fit for cars like the Mustang and Camaro these names add something to the car. I really don’t understand the number/letter designations of the Lexus and Infinity cars. Conversely the VW names are terrible, lkie the passing wind names, CC and Torag?
    Hey Smoke didn’t GM buy Daewoo when Daewoo declared bankruptcy?

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I liked the BMW names when they meant something, but now they don’t. A 328i, 335i, and 335d all have a 3 liter engine. The same nonsense continues with the other models. Most Mercedes names still indicate engine displacement, like with the C300, E350, and S550.

    As far as cars with names, there are good ones, like Mustang, and bad ones, like Touareg. What in the hell is a Touareg? Oh well. I guess this explains why I was never in marketing.

  22. HtG Says:

    Touareg are a people native to North Africa. Wish I didn’t know that.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Thanks for the info, HtG. Now it makes more sense as a car name—NOT

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    dcars says:

    “I really don’t understand the number/letter designations of the Lexus and Infinity cars.”

    Where the designations include a number, it indicates the engine displacement in centiliters for Lexus and deciliters for Infiniti. As far as the letters making up the names, I guess only marketing types would know.

  25. Nick Stevens Says:

    On paper, the Cruse Eco looks like a HUGE winner, which will do far more for GM than the stupid Volt. It even looks good vs the cuter Fiesta, which can get the same MPG, BUT is about one size smaller.

    2011 Chevrolet Cruze Eco

    Engine: 1.4-liter turbocharged I-4
    Transmission: Six-speed manual
    Horsepower: 138
    Torque: 148 pound-feet
    Fuel economy : Expected 40 mpg highway

    Wheels: 17-inch
    Trunk space: 15.4 cubic feet
    Dimensions:
    Wheelbase: 105.7 inches
    Length: 181 inches
    Width: 70.7 inches
    Height: 58.1 inches

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100501/AUTO03/5010342/1148/auto01/Chevrolet-shows-it-s-serious-about-Cruze-Eco#ixzz0mgoJFcOM

  26. Nick Stevens Says:

    “Kit Gerhart Says:
    May 1st, 2010 at 8:10 am

    I liked the BMW names when they meant something, but now they don’t. A 328i, 335i, and 335d all have a 3 liter engine. ”

    I agree. I understand why BMW bumped them up, it is because today’s 3 liter makes 300 HP, as much as the V12 (!!!!!) in the old 750iL, which was the top of the top BMW of the late 80s-early 90s!

    “The same nonsense continues with the other models. Most Mercedes names still indicate engine displacement, like with the C300, E350, and S550. ”

    Mercedes is not consiastent either, and has committed far more egregious misnamings than BMW. The so-called new E class coupe and convertible is actually based on the smaller C-class! The 6.2 or 6.3 models do not have that Cc either. and so on.

  27. Nick Stevens Says:

    “# HtG Says:
    May 1st, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Touareg are a people native to North Africa. Wish I didn’t know that.”

    I knew that 40 years ago, but do not mind. Esp. if the VW Touareg is as competent off road as are the camels of the Touareg in the desert. The touareg makes sense as a more luxurious, less sporty Porsche Cayenne twin, for much less.

  28. Nick Stevens Says:

    Alex Kovnat wrote:

    ” I am concerned that people who hate the automobile industry anyway, people like Henry Waxman of California, will use this disaster as a raison d’etre to demand ever more draconian fuel economy requirements, along with ever more draconian safety requirements and possibly also, a national 50 MPH speed limit.”

    I think you are grossly overeeacting, Alex. As nasty as Waxman is, I doubt he will have the nerve to do that, and the connection is really nonexistent between the two. Especially about the speed limit.

    “President Obama did the right thing in calling for a moratorium on further offshore drilling.”

    No he did not. He should let each state decide for itself.

    ” I might point out though, that a moratorium for a few months or a year or two is one thing. Giving up offshore oil forever, is another.”

    Nobody will ever do that. You are again grossly overreacting.

    ” Here again, I am worried that those who have no love lost for our western way of life anyway, are going to use this disaster as an argument for giving up offshore oil for all time. ”

    Who cares. They can make the argument all day long, it will not fly.

    “Look at the way nuclear power opponents used the Three Mile Island nuclear power reactor meltdown (which, by the way, didn’t cause one thousanth of the damage to the environment that the Gulf oil disaster is causing) as an argument for giving up on nuclear power forever. ”

    There is ZERO similarity between a Nuclear holocaust (people think it will be like 1000 hiroshimas with several million dead) and an oil spill that destroys some local marine life and has no radiation and no contamination etc.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The model designation gives the engine displacement for the “mainstream” cars in M-B’s lineup in the US, but, yeh, some of them don’t fit in the SL, and maybe some of the SUV’s.

    I agree that M-B is being deceptive in the naming of the E-Class coupe and convertible, as Hyundai is depective in the naming of the Genesis coupe.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t think offshore drilling should be abandoned forever, but this accident sure indicates that they need to figure some things out before I want offshore drilling anywhere near the beach town where I am.

  31. Nick Stevens Says:

    From Autoblog

    “Volkswagen has officially unveiled a new three-cylinder turbodiesel engine at the annual Vienna Motor Symposium. The new 1.2-liter engine features the same common-rail fuel injection systems and basic architecture as VW’s 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter inline fours.

    The new 3-cylinder produces 74 horsepower and 133 pound-feet of torque at just 2,000 rpm. When VW unveiled the new Polo at the 2009 Geneva Motor Show,a concept version of the next-generation BlueMotion model was shown with this engine. The three cylinder Polo is expected to be rated at 71.3 miles per gallon (U.S.) and 87 grams / kilometer of CO2 emissions on the EU combined test cycle. The new 1.2-liter Polo BlueMotion should debut later this year.”

    And will arrive in the US 5 years later, if at all, right?

  32. HtG Says:

    Nick, the only thing I can recall from 40 years ago was trying baloney, strawberry ice cream, and taking off my training wheels.

    On the spill in the Gulf, as someone who in a past life worked in oil services, I can’t help but wonder if there actually is an emergency valve at the bottom of the sea. Those things are expensive you know.

  33. pedro fernandez Says:

    In a country full of 400hp behemoth SUV’s and pickups only too happy to intimidate you off the road, how safe would a 74 hp vehicle be. I used to drive an old Beetle with an anemic engine, but it had a stick and no power anything and was feather light, so lack of acceleration was never an issue then, also because other cars were not as powerful as they are now. However keeping up on the highway was a struggle. Don’t get me wrong, I would welcome such a vehicle with open arms, specially when gas goes towards $5.

  34. HtG Says:

    A clip from the Mark Levin Show, where an oil worker gives his account of what happened on the rig in the gulf. I can only vouch for how authentic this guy sounds, not for how authentic I am.

    http://marklevinshow.com/Article.asp?id=1790422&spid=32364

  35. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Kit Gen Coupe was a Stop gap car, between Sonata Coupe and the Accent/Elantra or whatever they are going to badge it as Veloster Hatch.

    Gen Sedan is in the process of a major refresh, the Coupe will get a refresh soon enough. I think the gen Coupe will be more befitting of the name after the refresh, and will definately earn the name in the Next Gen.

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    Whatever name Hyundai give the Gen coupe, I saw one up close the other day and I was very impressed with the level of refinement for the price.

  37. Alex Kovnat Says:

    @Nick:

    >There is ZERO similarity between a
    >Nuclear holocaust (people think it
    >will be like 1000 hiroshimas with
    >several million dead) and an oil
    >spill that destroys some local marine
    >life and has no radiation and no
    >contamination etc.

    NOW who’s exaggerating?

    Not even Chernobyl was THAT bad, while on the other hand the oil disaster in the Gulf keeps getting worse and worse every day. As long as nuclear power plants are built to the latest western world safety standards (And remember, Chernobyl was NOT), there’s no way a nuclear accident would be as much of a nightmare as we are seeing in the Gulf.

    Every day I hope for better news, but millions of gallons of irreplacable oil are being lost and it may take decades for Gulf coast to recover from this disaster. I’m no Obama-lover, but I don’t see what choice he had but to put a moratorium on offshore drilling at least for a while.

  38. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Pedro, its the Veloster being name Accent or Elantra thats the question. Here goes a cartoonish Rendering I did of it using a spy shot.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lJv8VwHhflo/S9qDZss2duI/AAAAAAAAAv8/ZC7QrQEvmGY/s1600/Veloster+Grille+Rendering.jpg

    KIA will get a KIA version of the Genesis sedan and coupe in 2012 as a 2013 MY Car. Those will fill the Gen Combo’s shoes, as the next Genesis will be a further upmarket car. Hence, the KIA will be a little cheaper.

    KIA’s Genesis sedan will be the true KIA Amanti replacement, and RWD just like its Hyundai brother.

  39. pedro fernandez Says:

    The gulf of Mexico is in danger of becoming an ecological disaster of tremendous proportion affecting the lives and livelihood of millions. Yet, the govt. won’t open up the Alaska wilderness, where such a spill could be easily stopped and contained. Future water rigs need to have an emergency shut off system at the well. no matter how much is costs.

  40. Nick Stevens Says:

    # pedro fernandez Says:
    May 1st, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    In a country full of 400hp behemoth SUV’s and pickups only too happy to intimidate you off the road, how safe would a 74 hp vehicle be.”

    I assume you mean it will not have enough ACTIVE safety, because the 74 HP will be too little, even for a 2,500 lb car? But the diesel has 133 LBFT torque, almost as much I had in my 2.2 lt accord 5-speed, which weighed at least 300 lbs more. My old civic has 75 HP and is only 1,875 lbs and is quite quick around town, and it could evade an accident scene easily. The Diesel Torque is available at very low RPM, unlike the torque of the gas cars I mentioned.

    “I used to drive an old Beetle with an anemic engine, but it had a stick and no power anything and was feather light, so lack of acceleration was never an issue then, also because other cars were not as powerful as they are now.”

    The beetle acceleration might FEEL adequate, but was actually HORRIBLE by today’s standards, maybe 20 cec to 60… if that thing ever made 60!!!. An original beetle on the highway today is a DANGEROUS and very inadequate car to drive. NO COMPARISON with the diesel I cited, which should have 10 sec or so acceleration, 100% better than that of the beetle.

  41. Nick Stevens Says:

    “Alex Kovnat Says:
    May 1st, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    @Nick:

    >There is ZERO similarity between a
    >Nuclear holocaust (people think it
    >will be like 1000 hiroshimas with
    >several million dead) and an oil
    >spill that destroys some local marine
    >life and has no radiation and no
    >contamination etc.

    NOW who’s exaggerating?”

    Who do you THINK is exaggerating??? ME? of course not, if you read my quote above CAREFULLY, I spoke of the fools in the general public and their perceptions!! I am a HUGE proponent of nuclear power even tho I understand there is a risk that we will have NOT a 3mi incident or a Chernobyl Accident-disaster with hundreds of fatalities and injuries, BUT terrorists attacking a nuclear power plant, perhaps with nuke weapons, and causing much more loss of human life.

    The loss of human life with the oil spill will be ZERO fatalities and ZERO injuries. Which NOBODY can claim for the Chernobyl Disaster, Right???

  42. Nick Stevens Says:

    Nice audios, HTG, thanks!

  43. Nick Stevens Says:

    “The loss of human life with the oil spill will be ZERO fatalities and ZERO injuries. ”

    Correction-excluding the 11 or so workers who were killed almost instantaneously by the “Gas bomb”.

    This does NOT look at all like a case of negligence on the part of BP. It is one of these so-called “Rare events” or “Acts of God” or Nature, that happen extremely rarely, and if it wa spossible to design an engineering system to withstand them with zero loss of life, even in that case it would be prohibitively expensive and would bankrupt the operator.

    SHips are also like this, they are designed to withstand the 100-year (maximum) wave, NOT the 1,000,000- year, and usually within their 20-50 year life they of course do not encounter even the 100 year wave! And a ship that would survive the million year wave, even IF possible to build, would be so expensive, its owner would be broke before he even took delivery of the thing.

  44. Nick Stevens Says:

    April Car sales are due probably tomorrow, but if you can’t wait, here are some predictions. It will be interesting to check how good their accuracy wil be.

    “A Thomson Reuters poll of 12 economists sees U.S. April auto sales to rise more than 20 percent for a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 11.4 million units. In April 2009, SAAR stood at 9.3 million.

    Bloomberg goes out on a limb and predicts that Chrysler may post a 15 percent plus, reflecting its biggest monthly gain since 2005.

    The consensus of analysts polled by Bloomberg agrees with the Reuters poll. Bloomberg’s oracles predict a whopping 34 percent rise for Toyota, a jump of 28 percent for Ford, and a tepid 7.2 percent increase for GM.

    Honda is predicted to be up 15 percent, Nissan is presaged to skyrocket by 57 percent. Hyundai may increase 35 percent.

    However, the annualized sales rate is a far cry from the 16m before the recession, a number that may not be reached anytime soon.”

  45. pedro fernandez Says:

    Nissan’s increase is kind of strange, it’s most likely due to Rogue and Altima sales cause I don’t see many other new models driving around. I think the Rogue came into the market at the right time. Affordable, usable and not bad to drive.

  46. Alex Kovnat Says:

    Oil facilities are a terrorist target too. Look what happened during the 1990/1991 conflict, when Saddam’s henchmen blew up oil wells in Kuwait as Iraqi forces retreated. Even now, I’m angry at all that oil that was destroyed.

  47. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Im sorry, but NHTSA needs to make a rule that nothing New and less than 100 HP should be allowed on the American interstate highway system.

    NHTSA should also give drivers who already have SUB 100 HP Cars 5 years to replace their cars. We could also give these drivers a $3000 or so credit towards a new or used car with that kind of power.

    Talk about more stimulus, this would be a boom for small cars in America. Id say do it at about 2012-2017.

  48. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    It is ABOSLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE to have cars with less than 100 HP on American roads today. Yes, in 2010 YOU F-ING CANT HAVE LESS THAN 100 HP ON AMERICAN ROADS!!!

    Cars like those CRAP Euro A-Segment cars like the Chevy Sparks of the world ARENT READY FOR AMERICAN SALE YET!!!!

    A-Segments, I dont consider them real cars yet becuase they dont have 100 HP IN THE YEAR 2010.

  49. Nick Stevens Says:

    “Alex Kovnat Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Oil facilities are a terrorist target too. ”

    Yes, ans SO??????? Does that make them as potentially Destructive as an attack on a nuclear facility???

    Give me a break!

  50. Nick Stevens Says:

    “# pedro fernandez Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Nissan’s increase is kind of strange, it’s most likely due to Rogue and Altima sales cause I don’t see many other new models driving around. I think the Rogue came into the market at the right time. Affordable, usable and not bad to drive.”

    Cheap rentals for the most part. I wonder how many of their sales go to rentals. I see them al the time, and I am a victim of one (the Altima Hybrid whose engine ran out of… oil with 50 miles driven at HERTZ, NOT some nickel and dime discount rental co!)

  51. Nick Stevens Says:

    “HyundaiSmoke Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Im sorry, but NHTSA needs to make a rule that nothing New and less than 100 HP should be allowed on the American interstate highway system. ”

    You SHOULD be sorry, the above is patently ludicrous. For one thing, it will outlaw most MOTORCYCLES. In addition, 100 HP in a 2,000 lb car will make it a ROCKET!!!!! My Civic has 75 and is 1,875 and is as quick as i will ever need around town, and can cruise at 105 MPH all day on the interstate.

    Do you want to impose a weight limit too? A lower limit??? Or an Upper one??

  52. HyundaiSmoke Says:

    Subcompacts could be 500 LBS porkier with today’s new engine tech. The larger stuff MUST GO on a diet and TODAY!!!