AD #1335 – Time to Buy GM? Volvo is Watching You, Send Rear Cameras Back to Drawing Board

March 17th, 2014 at 11:59am

Runtime: 8:24

- GM Faces First Lawsuit over Ignition Problem
- Time to Buy GM Stock?
- Your Volvo is Watching You
- IIHS Should Rethink Back-up Camera Recommendation
- How Honda is Beating Crash Tests

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GM’S FIRST LAWSUITS
Well, you knew it wasn’t going to take very long. The first of the lawsuits against General Motors over this ignition switch defect has already been filed. Bloomberg reports that a class action lawsuit was filed in Texas seeking to represent all owners of the 1.6 million cars involved in this recall. The plaintiffs say they want to recover between $6 billion and $10 billion, because those cars will have lost value when their owners decide to sell them. That’s the equivalent of giving $3,750 to $6,250 to each owner. Here’s my Autoline Insight, they’re not going to get that kind of money. Plaintiff attorneys always shoot for the moon when they file these kinds of class action lawsuits, partly to grab headlines and partly to entice other car owners to join the lawsuit. Even if they manage to win a jury trial, those settlements are always greatly reduced when those cases are appealed and are settled by a judge, not a jury.

TIME TO BUY GM?
GM stock has fallen about 10% to $34 since this ignition switch story broke. But one analyst firm sees this as a great buying opportunity. Hayman Capital Management forecasts that GM stock should be trading in the high $40’s in the next year to a year and a half, up more than 40%. I hope they’re right, but before you run out to buy GM, be careful. I’ve seen plenty of people get burned by rosy projections for automotive stocks.

YOUR CAR IS WATCHING YOU
We here at Autoline try to keep you up to date on some of the latest technology coming out of the automotive industry. And one of those technologies is a system from Volvo that can detect how alert a driver may be and adjust the safety systems accordingly. It works by mounting a sensor to the dashboard that can monitor how open the drivers eyes are as well as head position and angle, which can then be relayed to the lane keep assist system or even collision warning systems. Volvo feels that this technology may be important for self-driving cars and has already installed it in test vehicles.

BACK-UP CAMERA PROBLEMS
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety just conducted a series of tests that concluded that rear cameras are more effective than parking sensors at helping drivers avoid objects while traveling in reverse. But the IIHS conducted those tests in Los Angeles. And here’s my Autoline Insight, the Insurance Institute is not testing in the right location, or testing them thoroughly enough. It needs to test back up cameras in the snow belt, where the camera lens gets coated in snow or ice. It needs to test cars with camera lenses coated in dirt, and dust and road grime. It also needs to test these cameras at night, because some of them have terrible low-light resolution. I don’t understand why so many safety advocates are so gung-ho on back-up cameras when I personally have experienced less than stellar performance from them. And here’s a challenge to all you engineers out there: we need something done to keep those camera lenses clean.

Speaking of the Insurance Institute, coming up next, a look at what it takes to design a vehicle to meet that new crash test from the Insurance Institute, what they call small offset crashes.

On Autoline After Hours last Thursday night we had Chuck Thomas from Honda along with a crash tested Acura MDX in the studio with the front end all smashed up. Chuck is the chief engineer for safety structures at Honda and in the following clip he explains how they designed that vehicle to meet the new small offset crash test developed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. So far, most other automakers have not designed their vehicles to meet this test.

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81 Comments to “AD #1335 – Time to Buy GM? Volvo is Watching You, Send Rear Cameras Back to Drawing Board”

  1. pedro fernandez Says:

    I guess that not too many Asians will be buying Volvos in the future.

  2. shan Says:

    The Honda Fit failed the off-set crash test….

  3. marshy Says:

    I hadn’t noticed the steering wheel rotation in the video the first time I saw it. Its a pretty hard reminder why its important to hold the wheel properly and not stick any parts of your body through it.

  4. Alex Wellington Says:

    2 in other news, the Chevy Suburban. the Ford F-150, the Silverado, the Ram and the Toyota Landcruiser all failed the “don’t become a flat plate an inch high when run over by an M-1 Tank” test.

  5. Alex Wellington Says:

    PS Happy St Pat’s Day all, and John Mc and Sons especially!

  6. Lex Says:

    Buying GM Stock is a bad idea. I see GM needing to go through another consolidation and down-sizing to be competitive by the end of this decade.

  7. Tony Gray Says:

    My 09 Silverado has a rear camera mounted in the tailgate with the image in the rear view mirror. I think the resolution is quite good and, matched with my bumper sensors, gives me a good view of what is behind. I do have to make sure I keep the snow and mud off the lens, and do see some degraded performance in severe wet conditions as well as when a low sun is aiming right at the camera.

  8. Lex Says:

    The only thing wrong with Acura vehicles is the need for premium gasoline. I believe if Acura would adjust it’s engines to run on regular gasoline there sales would increase.

  9. Lex Says:

    If visibility is an issue with most backup cameras in low or no light conditions then why not incorporate the camera within or near the reverse light emitting housing source. The reverse light should provide ample illumination.

  10. Alex Wellington Says:

    “Lex Says:
    March 17th, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    The only thing wrong with Acura vehicles is the need for premium gasoline.”

    You can’t possibly be serious. Don’t you know what all Acuras really are? Rebadged Accords, Civics, CR-Vs and Pilots, only much weirder looking and much more expensive?

    Acura has no reason for existing any more. Hondas are just as luxurious and potent as Acuras, and look better too.

    i read an article in some mag the other day about some Acura RL, and the writer went as far to say that this is just like the new NSX, just with two more doors and three more seats.

    Oh really? If true, then, I really worry about the new NSX!

  11. Alex Wellington Says:

    That dude in the video from Volvo looked at the traffic so intensely that in a few minutes he would grow really tired and fall asleep or worse. This is no posture to have on a long trip.

  12. Robert Sauter Says:

    John… when your windshield gets dirty do you clean it? How about you rear window? Oh my goodness… while you are back there wipe off your rear camera lens. I live in LA and my backup camera works great. You choose to live in a lousy climate not me! Stop complaining and clean your camera lens. Also… get GM to offer, again, heated windshield washers. Hmm.. maybe stick one on your backup camera lens. LOL

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    #11 that is exactly the same look I give when I’m driving down in So Beach and look at all the tan lines in them there gurls.

  14. Alex Wellington Says:

    10 Should have said “rebadged European Accords”, which is even worse, because they are smaller, narrower vehicles than US Accords.

  15. Drew Says:

    Class action lawsuits start with grandeous promises to build a population of “victims”. In the end, payments are negotiated that often result in vouchers (typically $500) toward a future new vehicle purchase, but the real money is made by the plaintiff lawyers… hundreds of millions.

    Oh, the only way an owner might lose money, as attributable, to this issue is if they panic-sell their vehicle right now. Owners will be wise to hold onto their vehicle for a few more years when the hysteria is long over and the resale loss is mitigated. If they want to restore their confidence in the safety of the vehicle, all they need to do is remove the extra junk off their key ring. Issue solved.

  16. G W Groovey Says:

    John–Similar to your runaway Prius analysis, I submit that the ignition switch fiasco is all about trying to ‘tighten the nut behind the wheel’. If a driver hangs a few pounds of keys on their ignition switch he(she)is a fool and is asking for trouble. How do you predict the actions of every imaginable instance. My guess GM did not do the recall because the switch didn’t fail…do we need another label to join the the hundreds of others to remind the public of common sense items?

  17. Drew Says:

    Over the decades, the NFL increased the protective gear (e.g., replaced soft-leather helmets; more pads in more places, etc.). Similar changes occurred in the NHL. What happened? If you look back at old films, players were not throwing their bodies in the air at other players. They weren’t leaping high in the air. Why? They would immediately feel the consequences. It is a Law of Physics – for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Now, the added safety equipment means players have a false sense in invincibility and the consequences are delayed.

    Are we entering the same era for auto drivers – a false sense of invincibility? There is no doubt the technology advances from the auto companies are improving safety, but drivers are now the main issue (not the automobile). It seems to me the focus needs to be on driver behavior, moreso than the next piece of technology that tries to defy the Laws of Darwin.

  18. bobek Says:

    Females are famous for to many items on there key ring…pepper spray etc…also many rear view mirrors fall off due to things hanging off of it ! COMMON SENSE these are not designed for the extra weight.

  19. Chuck @ GM Says:

    Happy St Patricks. Eat too much corned beef and cabbage.

    To wrap up the octane discussion from a few days ago, I finally got to talk to someone about it.

    Octane is used to treat knock as someone pointed out last week. As the engine compresses the fuel/air mixture of a gasoline engine, the fuel/air mixture of course heats up. Depending on a lot of stuff at some point of rising temp the air/fuel mixture will detonate without a spark, called knock. (Diesels don’t inject the fuel into the compressed air until the compression stroke is about finished.) The ignition timing, octane, compression, etc etc have to be in alignment to be ignited at the right point by the spark plug. The higher the compression on the engine, the quicker that detonation will occur in the compression stroke as the temp will rise more quickly. So octane is used to supress ignition until the right time. So the higher the compression of the engine the higher the octane you need. That’s why cars will run on 87 octane, and airplane engines use something higher.

    Thanks to whoever brought that up. I never thought about that before.

  20. Bradley Says:

    #6 +1

    Ford made me a few bucks when their stuck dropped, I bought in under $2 and sold at almost $17. I did this by delaying a new tire purchase and spent the money instead on Ford Stock.

    It was risky, but I knew out of the Detroit 3 Ford’s products were more competitive. They also realized their financial situation before Chrysler and GM did.

  21. G.A.Branigan Says:

    My 12 nox is equipped with the rear sensors as well as a backup camera.I like them both.No problems with backing up at night either.Dirty camera lens…..I carry some packets of eye glass wipes in the glove box.Take one out,open packet,go to back of vehicle,and clean the lens.Easy as pie,no muss,no fuss.No need to trouble any engineers with a new problem.Jeeze….

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t think cars need backup cameras at all. They need windows that you can see out of.

  23. Bradley Says:

    #16

    I think a couple facts missing

    GM realized there was a problem and only recalled a percentage of the cars. Then proceeded to use the part unchanged.

    This is a bit different than the Toyota acceleration issue. In the end, Toyota didn’t do anything wrong, but they spent tons of money to appease the public.

    GM has already done a few things wrong without even questioning why shaving a few pennies on an ignition was a good idea.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Here are a college friend’s thoughts, emailed to me, on the key thing. This guy is not a GM “fan boy.” The last GM car he had was a Corvair. His current daily driver is a Magnum SRT-8, and his immediate previous daily driver was an SVT Lighting pickup. He is a retired teacher, and probably votes mostly Republican.

    “Kit,
    I have never seen so much sh!t raised over so little! 13 people have died in the past ten years, mostly due to their own stupidity. We kill 13 people every few hours with drunk driving. Let GM get on with making superior cars (at least superior to their previous efforts), and let the past die. Do the lawyers see a huge payday here that I don’t? The old GM is dead and buried, and has no money. The new one is not tied to the old one financially. Where is the payoff?
    Congress investigating them is a joke! Who is going to investigate all of the time congress pisses away each year?”

    I’m not wanting to expand the discussion on this topic, just pointing out that not all people who think the lock issue overblown are GM employees, “fan boys,” etc.

  25. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I agree with your friend.The ‘old gm’ and the new gm are different entities.I don’t see how they are responsible for the past mistakes.Also,I can’t tell you how many extraneous things I see dangling off of womens key chains…unbelievable.The sharks have circled looking to cash in and so has the reporters so now it will have to play out.I wonder how much of a price increase I’ll have to pay for a new diesel colorado should gm somehow lose….

  26. HtG Says:

    The problem with old v new GM is lawyers, of course. The bankruptcy agreement is what stands between many plaintiffs and GM’s treasury, so if a set of facts and a theory can be argued, we will find out how airtight the bankruptcy judgment truly is. What is it you think lawyers do all day?

  27. Howard LaVine Says:

    John,

    You’re right on the money with the cameras. My vehicles are equipped with rear view cameras and sensors. If I had to have just one it would be the sensors. The lenses on the cameras do not work well for vehicles driven in snow or even heavy rain.

  28. Alex Wellington Says:

    26 Lawyers was the main problem in the case of the unfair and ludicrous accusations against TOyota. If i were the head of TOyota I would not have settled with any of the frivolous litigants, but insisted on my innocence and proven it, regardless of the cost.

    the GM case is 100% different. The switch was faulty, and to tell people that a keychain with 8 keys is OK but 9 could kill you is utterly unacceptable.

    Why is GM the only maker that has this ignition switch problem, and not any other maker of econoboxes like Honda, Nissan, Ford or Chrysler?

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27,
    Do we know that other car brands never have problems with key switches? I don’t think so.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Cars without keys are dangerous too:

    http://www.wattsguerra.com/blog/smart-keys-keyless-ignition-systems

  31. Alex Wellington Says:

    28 You are presumed innocent, at least in this country, until found guilty. I have heard of no other brands, even the cheapest Kias, having problems. Have you?

  32. Alex Wellington Says:

    30 GM itself has admitted to 13 actual Deaths (Thirteen!) from its faulty ignitions. Another, independent study claims a far greater number, 300+, but even 13 is 13 to many.

  33. Alex Wellington Says:

    31 too, not to, many.

    29 If these caused any fatalities, or even just injuries, I am sure our capable swarm of ambulance chasers will make sure to bring them to court too.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33, Yeah, probably not as many, though I haven’t researched it, and don’t intend to.

    I, personally have had a non-GM ignition switch become intermittent and sometimes turn off, but that was a long time ago, on a 1961 Lancer.

  35. Alex Wellington Says:

    34 1961 (?) Lancer? maybe 1991?

  36. T. Bejma Says:

    #31

    Even MB has ignition problems…

    https://mercedessource.com/problems/interior/ignition-key-sticking-or-jamming

  37. T. Bejma Says:

    Oh my goodness, could it be??

    Even Bimmers have ignition problems…

    http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358204

  38. HtG Says:

    I posted it here a couple of weeks ago, but Porsche Boxsters are known to have an ignition switch defect. They stop turning on the engine and need to be replaced. The cause is a heavy keychain. As far as I know, the fault doesn’t turn off the car and airbags. I learned about it when I was getting the urge to you know what.

  39. HtG Says:

    hey man, no piling on! ;)

  40. Alex Wellington Says:

    36, 37 How many fatalties or serious injuries?

  41. Alex Wellington Says:

    Jesse Snyder has an interesting piece in today’s Auto news and makes gloomy predictions about the affordability of new cars to 37 million young graduates saddled with student loans. He expects the problem to get worse with time, and lead to people affording only used cars, or much smaller and cheaper new cars than the average today.

    The bigger question he does not ask is the effect of a switch to smaller cars on the profitability of the makers. We had known for years that the domestics don’t make a dime off the smaller cars, and they always come up with solutions like building them in Mexico, south korea or anyplace but the US. maybe if they sell in larger numbers than their current pitiful sales (Yaris, Sonic, Fiesta, Fit), they will be profitable?

  42. Brett Says:

    As I said before, the manuals for both my 2003 Crown Victoria and my 2006 Outlander admonished me against having too much weight on my keyring for the sake of the ignition switch reliability.

    The laws of physics apply to all vehicles.

  43. T. Bejma Says:

    #40

    That was not your original question…

    “I have heard of no other brands, even the cheapest Kias, having problems. Have you?”

  44. Alex Wellington Says:

    43 So you think I meant much, much smaller problems than GM’s admitted 13 and possibly 300+ FATALTIES? Nice nitpicking.

  45. Alex Wellington Says:

    42 The laws of poor quality engineering apply to more than one cheapo brand (in your example, another domestic and the god-awful Mitsubishi?) What would you expect? I’d not be surprised if Chrysler and Nissan also had issues with this and many other items. But I have not heard of FATALITIES or serious injuries caused by them.

  46. Bill Murdock Says:

    Regarding the class action suit against GM: Remember the only real winners in such actions are the lawyers; their “clients” usually just end up with a pittance, maybe even something totally worthless.

  47. HtG Says:

    One thing that keeps rattling around my head is what Bob Lutz wrote in a past book about GM’s internal standards. He wrote that there had been collected institutional knowledge of how to make cars, like wheels that we’re not wide set relative to the fenders, the need to have a cigarette lighter work at 40 below zero etc., which actually caused the company to make dowdy cars that were uncompetitive. Lutz said that he fought against some if the thicker of these internal standards. I’m not saying this lock fault is related, just that I am reminded of Lutz’ tale.

  48. pedro fernandez Says:

    He also said that is would cost GM an extra $70 or so to make the interior much nicer, and I’m sure most people would gladly pay for it. after all. that is where you spend your time, not staring at the pretty headlights!

  49. RonE Says:

    #35, ’61 Dodge Lancer, sister to the ’61 Plymouth Valiant.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Lancer

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35,
    No, it was a 1961. It was a Dodge version of a Valiant, with a grill similar to a ’60 Pontiac.

  51. Kit Gerhart Says:

    49, You said it while I was reading, or typing.

  52. Brett Says:

    45

    The Crown Vic and the Mitsubishi Outlander are both fine automobiles, you sanctimonious twit.

    The simple fact is there is a balance that has to be struck between making a part usable by the broadest cross-section of your potential customer base and making it too fragile to survive.

    I’ve owned, raced, and restored enough automobiles to know what the Hell I’m talking about. Knock off the snob act and grow the Hell up.

  53. pedro fernandez Says:

    Compared to the Chinese and iron curtain motors, just about anything built in the free world is fine, some are finer than others, however!

  54. Alex Wellington Says:

    52 Don’t make me laugh. Mitsu lost 4 billion bucks trying to give their POS away, but luckily the parent companies has very deep pockets and a big ego so it is staying. They should have done what Suzuki, Isuzu, Peugeot, Renault, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and other, to quote Mary Barra, makers of “crappy cars”. They may fly in Paris, Rome and even Tokyo, but they could not fly here, in the world’s most competitive auto market.

  55. T. Bejma Says:

    #48

    And that is EXACTLY why you see much nicer interiors in the new GM vehicles. Subjective, of course, but hard to argue that they are not up there with the best in the industry.

  56. HtG Says:

    Subjectively, TB? Sitting in multiple cars at shows, class by class, I think GM interiors cannot be criticized. Jeep also wows me

    But go sit in the Jag Ftype. Oh. Oh. That’s good

  57. HtG Says:

    The interior of older Caymans? 2002 Civic with leather. Have to pinch myself

  58. Kit Gerhart Says:

    57, A 90′s 911 I recently rode in struck me that way too.

  59. cwolf Says:

    But what stipulates a nice interior? Any padded dash or door panel is an improvement over plastic and carpet nap is pretty much standardized in the US; the Germans (MB) had used a Wilton wool or a tight knit velour. But as carpets go, only the picky would really notice, care or aware of the differences. So, I think, the main focus is on the seats. Germans use a semi-molded fiberous jute under the fabric or leather and holds shape well. Americans,by habit, stuck with molded foam. Over the years, I think the foam density has become too hard on most American cars, Ford especially. So what is it about seats that make them a part of a nicer interior…., or could it be the elbow room surounding the seat that makes an interior seemingly better than another?
    So what is to be considered to be a nice interior and based upon what?

  60. T. Bejma Says:

    But aren’t those Verano seats nice cwolf? I think I heard you praise them here before.

  61. Kit Gerhart Says:

    54, If a sizable chunk of the US market was B segment cars with diesels, as in Europe, Peugeot/Citroen might still sell cars here. They make some good cars of that type, but they don’t make what most Americans buy. As far as Mitsu, they have a limited line of ok cars, but a very limited dealer network. Their only product that stands out from the crowd is the evo. Talk about a niche product.

  62. Kit Gerhart Says:

    59, To me, the most important part of a “nice interior” is the seats, because that is what makes the car comfortable, or uncomfortable. Hard plastic is a great material for many interior parts because it is durable, and done properly, it looks decent. It doesn’t matter what most of a car interior feels like, because you don’t touch it anyway.

  63. cwolf Says:

    True, TB, but those seats cost a few grand more to have them. I think the major contributor to a nice interior is the overall layout.

  64. HtG Says:

    I pay attention to how my body feels in a car, but also to the drama of getting in. Lexus IS and LS Jag Ftype make me feel relaxed, higher end Mercs like CLS feel like the pinwheel of the refinement bull’s eye.

    But grabbing the handle of Impala, sensing the groove on the inside face, began a narrative. It feels deliberate. Or getting into a BMW Z convertible and feeling the sharpness of the stitching in the door pull and steering wheel, all communicates an intention. Or feel Volvo seats.

    Seduction?

  65. cwolf Says:

    Every nice car seems to have that one thing that grabs your attension, but would that seat which woos your fanny get the same sensation if in a Sonic? How about that perfect steering wheel in a Fit-4-two? It is a harmony of everything inside that really grabs the sole. Unfortunately there is not a perfect car that pleases or fits everyone. Large cars fit the bill the best, but mid-sized units are creeping up fast…and you’ll pay the price, too!

  66. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My MINI has two important parts of what, to me, makes a “nice interior.” The seats fit me well, and the leather wrapped steering wheel feels good to the touch.

    There is quite a bit of what I assume is hard plastic, but I don’t care. I guess I’m not sure it’s hard, because I never touch it. To me, the main thing that keeps the MINI from being a very good highway car, is that it’s kind of noisy. I guess I’m not as picky as some people about the interior decor of cars.

    Yeah, I’m sure I’d appreciate the difference between the interiors my cars and an F-type or S-Class, but I’m not sure the interior of those cars would make me much happier when someone is going 5 mph under the speed limit in the left lane.

  67. Chuck Grenci Says:

    The most comfortable seat I’ve ever sat in were from a Buick Lacrosse (current generation), but alas, there are so many variations of sizes of people that this was highly subjective on my part; but they sure fit my arse perfectly. :)

  68. HtG Says:

    66 cheapnessness

    One merchandising consultant argued that supermarkets aim at different levels of luxury in their presentation, as there are customers who see ‘spareness’ in the store as evidence of good value. (Cf. Cheap bread is also a value signal.) maybe there are similar cues in cars? Maybe cheapness perception is an intentional cudgel to push people higher up the price scale.

  69. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Interiors for me has always been important.If I like they way the dash is laid out that usually brings me in for a closer look.There are two things after the dash I look at,adjustable lumbar support and heated seats……mandatory for me.

    The overall layout in my 12 nox is pretty damn nice.At night the lighting is very cool,including the overhead console.The rear seats are adjustable,and it holds a fair amount of stuff behind the rear seats.

    Materials are very good,easy to keep clean.The leather seats are very comfy even on long trips.I’m really hoping that I can get a similar interior on the new Colorado.I hope they offer a LTZ Z71.

  70. Alex Wellington Says:

    Interiors. Let’s bring them up a notch. If you spend $350k-$500k for a Roller, you get those thick lambswool mats, which are actually easy to clean, in case you worried. All Natural. You put your tired foot on them and they go “baah!”.

    Now I realize that not all of you can afford the requisite half million (or even the cheapo $350 for the loaded Ghost 7-series derivative).

    I have the solution for you! You can get those wondermats for $1225 or so and put them in your Chevy Cobalt. I bet they will not exactly fit, but that is not all bad, you will get lambswool mats on the sides too. Partially.

    PS if it only costs $70 to make a lousy interior look good, hold on to your wallets. I see “fraud” all over it.

  71. Alex Wellington Says:

    #49, 50 Ah. I assumed it was the Mitsu Lancer. Didn’t Dodge copyright the name? I remember those Valiants, they even sold them overseas. They sure looked different than most other cars. I used to like them when I was really young (pre-school)

  72. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Does/did that MINI Goodwood have lamb’s wool mats like the Roller made by the same company?

  73. Kit Gerhart Says:

    71, I suspect Dodge and Mitsu both using the Lancer name was the result of Chrysler and Mitsu sharing cars, badge engineering, etc. Dodge used the name twice, on the ’61 and ’62 car, and for a few years starting in 1988 with a front drive hatchback. Mitsu started using the name not long after that.

  74. Alex Wellington Says:

    72 Possible. You can google it and find out easily. if it does, I bet you can buy them for less than the much larger (and maybe better quality-design) mats in the Roller and have the added advantage that they would fit perfectly in your MINI.

    I had forgotten the Dodge-Mitsu cooperation in the 80s!

  75. Alex Wellington Says:

    BTW, my esteemed U decided (they did not ask me) to give … Mary Barra a … Honorary PhD or something.

    How Ridiculous.

  76. Alex Wellington Says:

    A few years ago we gave another Honorary PhD to an Automotive sector person, but that one was very well deserved.

    it was the Great Czaba Czere of Car and Driver Editor fame.

  77. Alex Wellington Says:

    http://www.miniusa.com/content/miniusa/en/model/special-editions/goodwood.html

    Yup, “baah!” mats included!

  78. Alex Wellington Says:

    “…The exquisitely appointed cockpit features Cornsilk-Beige leather interior trim, deep, lamb’s wool floor mats and a cashmere headliner and sun visors to extend the supremely high-touch motoring experience…”

    From the above link

  79. Alex Wellington Says:

    BUT it STARTS at $52k! Compared to this, buying the mats for barely $1k and fitting them into your $20k MINI, it sounds like a huge bargain!

  80. Kit Gerhart Says:

    79, Yeah, it is indeed.

  81. mj Says:

    Where is peter delorenzo?