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Heard your report on the Post Office needing new delivery trucks. A couple of comments:
The Post Office currently has 1996 Jimmies and 2000/01 Explorer chassis for their delivery vehicles with bodies made by Utilimaster.  They keep them in service for 24 years.  At least that is their plan.
I know because I work in Ford Service Engineering and I spend a lot of time at the Post Office garage on Greenfield in Dearborn, trying to help them get parts to keep them in service a little longer.  Tough to do when they are right hand drive and those Explorers were exported to Great Britain, Australia and Japan.  A lot of unique parts to right hand drive vehicles.
Not for public knowledge is that the Post Office vehicle purchase contract with Ford required us to supply service parts for 24 years.  We in Parts & Service would never agree to those terms, but the fleet sales guy signed the contract anyway, and now we are stuck until 2024 with keeping parts on hand.  We have a special code in the computer system so any Post Office part has to be manually reviewed before it can be obsoleted.  Normally, the computer system monitors sales, model year, etc. and automatically obsoletes parts when it meets the criteria.
So, whoever gets the next contract, I’m sure the Post Office will require a 24 year parts commitment.

Great info, thanks for sending. When the Post Office first contracted Grumman in the mid-1980’s to build its aluminum-body delivery trucks it said they would have to last for over 20 years. I never thought it would happen, but here we are today and they’re still on the road.

I’m sure you’re right, the PO will want whoever makes these things to service them for 24 years. But with automotive technology changing so fast these new trucks will be hopelessly out of date in a decade.

John McElroy

Excellent show on Health of the Auto Industry (just catching up on it).  While the Fiat rep was not your most dynamic or knowledge, the rest of the show was very interesting.  I do think truck lovers will want a hybrid, but under different vocabulary.  Once they mate an electric motor to add even more torque, the Ford marketers turn it into a "massive rear wheel power drill".  The water cooler conversation will continue to turn from HP to Torque.
Also, the auto show discussion was enlightening and I agree with the trend away from most shows and towards a controlled environment.  The Apple/Tesla style fanboy audience is annoying and hopefully has reached it's peak.  Musk is shifting gears a bit and presenting today for Space X at a large industry conference.  But the Tesla reveals will still be slide shows for a while.
Anyway, keep up the good work.  Always look forward to a lunch break entertainment about the auto industry.

Given all the fracas about diesel cheating, do you think MB will bring the new 2017 350 Bluetec to the USA? It seems to been in limbo since May.
Also, I am a happy owner of a 2015 VW Toureg 3.0L TDI. I guess it pollutes more that the regulations call for but between cleaner diesel fuel, the urea system in the car and this generation engine, is it still the cleanest diesel ever? 
The SUV is a pleasure to drive, has great range and gets nice MPGs.
Mercedes seems to be backing away from diesels in the US market, but time will tell if it drops them entirely. Other automakers continue to introduce new diesels to the US.

It is highly unlikely your 3.0 liter diesel is the cleanest ever since it was designed to circumvent emission standards in certain driving conditions. More than likely BMW, Mercedes, and General Motors have cleaner diesels.

Just saw AAH and enjoyed the video and discussion of the new 4WS system being developed by ZF.  Hopefully they will be able to bring it to market through an OEM at a reasonable price.  If so, I think it would become a pretty popular option.

I worked for a company that used to produce marketing events for GMC and one of those events was to highlight the capabilities of Quadrasteer.  In preparing for the event, we had several discussions with GMC marketing execs and a couple of gentlemen from Delphi.  Now, remember, this is the OLD GM.  The Delphi guys were not pleased with the pricing and knew that it would kill the option because the take rate was destined to be so low at that price.  They told us that the GM finance folks wanted to recoup the up-front engineering charges from Delphi in the first two years on the market and that is why the price was so high.  That was typical of the type of thinking at GM in those days.   

The other interesting thing to me was that it was only available on the pickups and the heavy duty SUV's (3/4 ton Suburbans and Yukon XL).  This is because the Delphi system would only work on vehicles with leaf springs.  The clearance was not appropriate on vehicles with coil springs, which included the light duty Suburbans and Yukon XL, not to mention the Tahoe and regular Yukon. 

One last thing.  You may remember that each truck that had Quadrasteer also had orange lights on the rear fenders and across the top of the truck at the windshield.  Adding Quadrasteer made the trucks a little wider, just wide enough that they were over the maximum width for normal passenger vehicles.  So, they were considered commercial vehicles and federal regulations mandated the orange indicator lights that you usually see on tow trucks, snowplow trucks and other commercial style vehicles.  A lot of people were not pleased that they would have to have those on their truck if they wanted the Quadrasteer option. 

The technology worked great, but was very complex.  I often wondered if there might have been a way to engineer a simpler system, like the totally manual version Honda had on the Prelude about 20 years ago.  It was light, inexpensive and did not require power.
Great show as usual!

GM Veteran
GM Veteran,

Really good feedback!

Interestingly, ZF says that its 4WS does not increase the track of the vehicle, so it would not need additional indicator lights. Also, they say they’re sure they can get the cost down.

John McElroy

Looking into the future when all automobiles on the roads are autonomous; they will recognize each other and avoid all collisions, including collisions with pedestrians. All pedestrians now will feel totally invincible knowing that all automobiles will stop to avoid hitting them. Therefore, they will be able to jaywalk (and text) safely anywhere they want, bringing automobile traffic to a complete stop. Let’s hope the auto makers don’t program the cars to blast their horns every time they are interrupted in traffic.
Ralph Norek

Do you all remember the flat front Jeep pickup from the mid fifties with 4 wheel steering?
In any case, this makes the urban tank more practical.
r work
Did the Jeep Forward Control have 4-wheel-steering? We can’t find any reference to that. Cool truck, though.

I’ve been getting over 60 miles per charge on my 2017 Volt. It is quiet, smooth and beautiful inside and out. I would rather have this car than an Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Lexus…..
I also hauled a 6 foot ladder and a bunch of stuff to California from Arizona. A great car. I definitely recommend everyone shopping for a car to give the Volt a good look. I’m Impressed!



Thanks for the feedback. 60 miles per charge is very impressive.

Having just watched your Sept 15 show when you mentioned Baojun motors I took a look at their models. I was wondering if they asked Honda if they could rebadge the Honda Pilot as the Baojun 730?


What if they brought back the Cadillac Style ads?  Over 65 age bracket is growing fast.  They are very affluent.  Cadillac sold A LOT more vehicles back when they were proud to BE Cadillac.  Is that what is missing for them?  Your thoughts?

Call me Dynaride thanks!  Will
Anything that creates desire in the heart of the buyer is a good thing. Desire can be created by a lot of things, but not the lowest monthly payment, the lowest interest rate nor the biggest rebate. So Style ads? Yes! But I wouldn’t aim them at the +65 year old set. As they old saying goes, “You can sell an old man a young man’s car, but you can’t sell a young man an old man’s car.”

John McElroy

Hi John,

Level 3 autonomous vehicles will be a big winner, for the lawyers that is. When a level 3 car gets in an accident culpability will be the issue.  Should the driver have hit the brakes?  Should the computer have steered around the danger?  It will be an endless do loop of litigation. The lawyers will love it. It's a loser for everyone else involved.

Richie B.

Hi John!

Just read that VW set a new top speed record for the Beetle at the Bonneville Salt Flats of 205.122 mph using a heavily modified Beetle with an engine that is production-based, but also heavily tweaked.

Reading about this makes me wonder about the priorities of VW management.  This in no way will sell more Beetles and has nothing to do with developing production automobiles.  Its hard to believe that they are devoting corporate funds to activities like this while asking their suppliers for significant cost savings to help pay for the cost of recalling (and possibly repurchasing) diesel model Volkswagens.  With the huge expenses ahead of them related to the diesel debacle and the development funds that need to be allocated to stay competitive in new areas like autonomous vehicles and alternative fuel systems, its hard to believe that VW has not instituted severe budget austerity measures.

I wonder if their PR staff even knew about this speed record attempt?

GM Veteran
GM Veteran,

We could not agree more. This is not going to help sales and the company needs to save every penny it can under the current crisis.

Maybe they thought this would divert peoples' attention from Dieselgate, but it sure looks like a superfluous exercise.

Dear AAH,
Although an outsider to auto industry, I have been a huge fan of AAH for years never missing a show. I have found it entertaining, informative and even relative to my industry. Thankfully my awareness and education, due to AAH, has grown greatly permitting me to observe the following.
Please know that I have been a die-hard Ford devotee buying or specifying dozens of FORD vehicles the past 25 years. Allow me to borrow from the colorful language of Jim Farley—F**K FORD!!!
Ford’s significant support (millions of dollars) of Black Lives Matter (BLM) is reprehensible. After stepping out of historic prejudice by appointing Mark Fields to head Ford, suddenly they have capitulated. BLM is arguably the most racist, disruptive, and contra USA valued group in the country today. They represent significant danger to our law enforcement organizations; and FORD has the unmitigated gall to want to supply police with FORDS?
Help me Mr. McElroy, where does a domestic car fan go? Government Motors still has blood on its hands by not repaying the tax payers millions, Ford has lost its way and FCA is now foreign. ( Looks like KY Toyotas, OH Hondas , TN Nissans and even GA KIAs will be gaining my business henceforth.)
Just had to vent!
‘Love your shows; Daily, weekly and AAH. Clearly, you are a great talent in automotive journalism. Main line media could learn a great deal from you!
PS What ever happened to the Auto Extremist? I miss Peter’s pithy comments.
James (Jim) Anderson

Yo dude, chill. You’re making a mistake that many people make. The Ford Motor Company did not announce support of Black Lives Matter. It was the Ford Foundation. The Ford Foundation has nothing to do with the FoMoCo. It is a wealthy foundation that pursues many philanthropic causes including human rights, but it has zero ties to the automaker.

Though it was the Ford family that created and provided the funding for the Ford Foundation back in the 1930’s, the two severed ties many decades ago.

So…you can go back to being a die-hard Ford fan!

John McElroy

John :
I try to keep up and be knowledgeable with FCA vehicles. I visit my dealership at least once monthly, but they snuck something right by me. I just noticed that all the 2016 and now arriving 2017 Jeep Grand Cherokee's with the 3.6 Liter Pentastar engine are No longer Flex Fuel capable. It appears that they still currently are E-85 compatible engines in the RAM trucks for the time being. Has the government phased out the EPA credits for FFV's? Living in Indiana E-85 is $1.49/gallon currently, far more than 20% less than Regular, I would much rather give my money to our farmers for E-85, and get a little less mpg's, than give it to OPEC.

What gives? I can't find any relevant information on this.

I'm Corn-fused (sorry, pun intended)
Bradley G.

You nailed it. The EPA is phasing out flex-fuel credits for E-85 compatible vehicles. Automakers built E-85 vehicles solely to get those credits to meet the CAFE standards. Now that the credits are going away, they don’t see the value in adding the extra cost needed to make those vehicles capable of running on E-85.

Dear John,
I have notice in your very well presented and interesting automotive news program that underneath of the Tesla logo batch, is a sentence saying: “Where´s Iñaki when you need him?" Could please let me know more details about it?
Best Regards,
Iñaki Fernández
Dear Iñaki,

The Iñaki who we referred to was Iñaki Lopez, the vp of Purchasing for General Motors in the 1990’s, who was famous for ripping up supplier contracts and bullying them to lower their prices. Hence the reference to Tesla starting to beat up its suppliers for lower prices.

It certainly was not in reference to you!

John McElroy

Good morning John et al:
I feel like saying “me again!” Every Monday morning on my commute to Community College of Denver I listen to the previous weeks Autoline After Hours. Always interesting and educational…but…there is always a “but” isn’t there? I can be put off by the panels lack of understanding of the 3D design environment. It really embarrassing to be standing in a light rail car and be so taken back by some ill-informed statement that I accidentally say an expletive out loud. I missed which panel member stated that you “just scan the item and send that to the 3D printer”…wrong, wrong…and oh by the way…WRONG. I’ve written before about this lack of understanding the design sequence, without the underlying 3D solid modeling you have nothing to 3D print. With 3D scanning all you get is a point cloud that at best is scatter shot. That point cloud must be placed into software that will clean up the point cloud and prepare it to be opened in a 3D solid modeler. Then when that is cleaned up it can be saved as a .STL file (stereolithography file). This is nowhere as simple as many make it sound. I and my program are just too far away from your studio, but I’m sure there will be a community college in your area that has the expertise in these areas to clear up your knowledge gaps.

So this afternoon find and thank a 3D CAD Jock for their skill.

Rick Glesner
Chair of Engineering Graphics/Mechanical
Community College of Denver

Thanks for your feedback. You certainly know a ton about this technology and it’s good to get reminded of all the steps needed to use it.

But sometimes, and especially when you’re doing a show where you’re keeping the conversation flowing, you don’t want to get bogged down in explaining every step of every process.

It’s the same with video production. You have to plan a show, invite the guests, bring in the studio crew, shoot the show, create all the graphics, do all the rendering of any animations, edit everything, encode it and post it. But when I talk to the crew I’ll say, “Let’s shoot a show and get it posted.”

Now I’m not saying we know every step in 3D scanning and printing. But even if we did, we’d still use the shorthand.

John McElroy

Guys, we are missing the greatest benefit of autonomous driving technology...women will finally be able to safely put make-up on while the car drives them to work.
Heck, Mabelline/Revlon ought to get into some partnerships with the OEM.
Man, if I told my wife that she’d punch me in the eye!

Maybe the AC condensation capture that the Ford engineer developed can be used to feed the Bosch Waterboost system.
Neil G

Honda seems to be a slow learner when it comes to airbag and other safety issues.  I called Honda customer service about my 2014 Ridgeline airbag and ask who made the passenger side airbag they refused to tell me.  I will assume it's a Takata airbag and some time in the future it will also be recalled, after several people have been hurt or worse. Can anyone get Honda's attention ?


In an Daily Report a statement was made about the Chevy Bolt’s battery will last 230 miles.  At what speed does the Bolt last 230 miles?  I’m sure the batteries will last longer if driven 30 MPH than at 65 MPH.
The Bolt will travel 238 miles based on the EPA test cycle, better known as FTP 75, the same Federal Test Procedure used to calculate the fuel economy of cars. Yes, it will go much farther than that if driven at slower speeds.

What happens to autonomous cars when they break down and they don't have a steering wheel, or any other controls?  How do you push them to the side of road?  How does the tow truck operator align the wheels to put it on the flatbed?
Great questions. And when we get answers from the autonomy experts we’ll let you know!

I have a couple of comments about Christopher Grundler (Director, Office of Transportation & Air Quality, U.S. EPA) discussion.
Science doesn't tell us what standards to achieve.  Science may provide the tools to analyze the current situation but the standards are our choice.
The "science" is never finished -- it always evolves.  For example, Sir Isaac Newton created several physical laws.  The science was finished until Albert Einstein came along and moved the science along.  Just like the late night TV commercial, science is constantly saying “but wait, there is more.”
For the environmentalist, take the example of eliminating Freon from air-conditioning and refrigeration.  The elimination of Freon was supposed to fix the ozone hole.  We spend billions of dollars getting rid of Freon and the hole still exists.  We have not revisited that decision and identified what went wrong with the analysis.
In summary, our understanding of the environmental science is limited and we need to understand our limitations.
Brian Little

Thanks for sharing your comments. We truly like hearing from all our viewers.
One thing to consider: the latest evidence shows that banning Freon is healing the ozone hole.
John McElroy

John, i watch your show daily and i catch all the AAH and ATW shows, and when EV's are the topic, there's one point i don't hear much about when it comes to the public's acceptance of EV's.
Charge time.... it's not really the range that's the biggest issue, IMO it's charge time.
if/when EV's can be charged to full in 5 mins or less like filling up your tank at the gas station...then they will be widely accepted.
If you know that you can pull over someplace and charge it up in a few mins, people would be able to use it more like a normally fueled car.

Great point. Charging time is very important. We’ll publish your letter in the Viewer Mail section of our website so others can read it too.

John McElroy

Do you know when the 2017 Honda Odyssey will be available?

The best we can tell you is that the next-gen Honda Odyssey is slated to go into production at Honda’s plant in Alabama in April, 2017. It would probably be on sale a month or so after that.

I'm sure that you are aware that Chevy announced that it is curtailing fleet sales in an effort to keep fleet sales from undermining the resale value of vehicles like the Impala.  This decision is not without consequences.  First, the theory is that they may sell fewer Impalas, but at a higher gross margin.  Kind of like gasoline: It's better for the manufacturer to sell one gallon of gas for five bucks than two and a half gallons at two dollars apiece.  So losing market share is not a sacrifice if it results in a net gain.
However, here's where the marketeers fail to account for losses: Chevy is forcing its present Impala owners to test-drive the competition every time they go travelling and have to rent a car.  Case in point: I had a long weekend in Nashville with friends and when I went to rent a car, I could have my choice of any one of a lot full of Nissans.  (Something to do with a vehicle assembly plant in a small town called Smyrna.)
One of my guests remarked "Wow! This is a really nice car."  It's notable that she is married to a Ford engineer and both drive Ford products.  So in this case, the Nissan test-drive was a success — for Nissan.
Speaking as a finance guy (taught finance for 20 years) I am not aware of how Chevy or anyone else could quantify losses in sales that stem from 'test drives' like these.  But it seems that from the prospective of the Chevy 'marketeers,' there are no losses if losses are not precisely quantifiable.  I disagree.
What do you think?

Here’s the issue most automakers have with daily rental cars. The rental companies typically try to equip them as sparsely as possible to keep the price of the car low. Unlike your friends reaction to the Nissan, many renters think, “Geez, what a cheap car.” Next, rental companies typically keep cars for only 6 to 8 months. Then they sell them. These are brand new cars with lots of miles on them and they are sold at a significant discount. They can sell many thousands of them every month. That puts downward pressure on the prices of new cars, or forces an automaker to boost incentives to sell those new ones. Everybody in the business agrees that selling to the daily rental companies is best left to automakers with excess manufacturing capacity or who are running into a sales problem and need to dump a bunch of cars.

Even so you have a point. Renting a car can expose someone to a model or brand they had never considered before. A number of automakers will do this, but they are careful to match the cars to specific regions and airports to make sure the “right” people get in them. And even at that they are very judicious and do not put a bunch of cars into rental fleets.

A key reason why Chevy or any of the other GM brands are bringing in much higher transaction prices these days is thanks to GM reducing fleet sales and concentrating on retail sales. Honda taught the entire industry that this is a better way to go.

John McElroy

Hi John,
This articles makes me wonder whether 'Ceramic' composites will make their way in car engines and whether there's sufficient time for a car company to invest the money with the big push towards zero emissions meaning fuel cell and/or electric cars.
Mike Ma @ San Francisco
Back in the early 1980s there was tremendous interest in using ceramics in engines. Caterpillar had a big R&D push with the Defense Department to come out with an “adiabatic” diesel that would not need a radiator—all the heat would be absorbed by ceramic coated pistons, valves, cylinder liners and combustion chambers. The DOD loved the idea because there would be no radiator to shoot out in battlefield situations. Isuzu even vowed it was going to build an all-ceramic diesel engine starting in 1986. Obviously, none of this came to happen. But who knows? Maybe it’s time to revive the idea.

I'm sure someone's already mentioned it by now, but the Opel Karl mentioned in Autoline Daily is a sibling of the Chevrolet Spark, not the much bigger Trax. The crossover-style Rocks trim package was introduced in 2014 for the Opel Adam, a slightly smaller, premium 3-door model. Fiat, VW and Škoda (apparently pronounced Shkoda) have offered this type of package for years, as does the top level New Yaris (longer and wider than the old European Yaris sold in the US and Japan) introduced in Asian markets in 2014.

Thanks for the correction. You're right. Once again the Autoline audience shows how sharp it is!

John McElroy

Hey guys,
How about a short update on alternative motors/energy storage; Ecomotors, Achates, Satki3/Dyson batteries?
Tim Beaumont

Another great show John.  I enjoyed the discussion about Hudson’s and the movie - maybe documentary.

I was wondering about electric cars and battery technology. I haven’t heard or read of anyone in the automotive industry talk about lithium and possibility of not having enough lithium to produce the batteries required. In the stock market industry I have read that in order for Elon to produce all of the Tesla 3’s that Tesla would require all of the Lithium known to exist. And also Warren Buffets getting involved with purchasing Lithium.  If this is true then
1. New lithium reserves will have to be found and/or
2. New battery technology will have to invented and
3. How will that affect electric cars - costs and “pollution” of the planet?

John - have you heard anything about this and what is your take?

George Plante
We’ve been reporting on lithium all along in both Autoline Daily and on Autoline This Week. The latest report we ran says prices have gone up 30% in the last year. But there are 19 lithium mines opening up worldwide in the next 5 years and that will keep a cap on prices.

Thanks for your interest!
John McElroy

Hello John,
My name is Alexandre Caviquioli, I am from Brazil and work for GMB (General Motors from Brazil) at GPS SA (Global Propulsion Systems - South America).
 I discovered your program, Autoline After Hours, at your channel on YouTube a couple month ago and I really like it.
It is a High Level show with plenty of information about auto industry.
Here in Brazil we are facing a very hard crisis in the auto industry due to sales retraction, but despite of that, Chevrolet become the number one in Brazilian Market.
Today is a Holiday here in our country (our Independence day), so I decided to send you this message with some information about Brazil and to congratulates you for your show!
Please, feel free to keep in touch.
Best Regards!

Thanks for writing to us, we truly like hearing from our viewers from all around the world.

We’re very aware of the crisis in Brazil and hope that the car market is at the bottom and will start to recover from here. No doubt sales will get back to their former level at some point.

Thanks for the news about Chevrolet becoming #1 in the Brazilian market. We were not aware of that.

Enjoy your holiday, and welcome to the Autoline family.

All the best,
John McElroy

Very good interview with the GM Design leadership. I may work for their rival, but I truly respect the history and grew up a fan of GM products. 
I do have one criticism though in that Ed's response to the Fortune cover shows that some of the Old GM philosophy hasn't changed. They haven't completely grown past badge engineering and think its permissible?
He's correct you could line up a Fusion, Sonata, 200, etc.. side by side in a similar view and many would have a hard time distinguishing them apart as the greenhouse shapes are all similar, but you'd still see differences. Those cars had the exact same profile and in many cases the exact same components like switches, handles, radios, etc...
Keep up the great work team. I rarely miss an episode.

Dear Autoline Daily,
I noticed your guests on today’s episode commenting about the advantages of ethanol. 
Whenever I go to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan I tank up with E0 for the return trip.  (We have a son at MTU.)
I get about 8% better fuel economy on E0 than I get with the E10 on the way up there.
Why is E0 only available there?
And why does it perform so much better than E10?

Ethanol has less energy density than gasoline. A gallon of gasoline has 114,000 BTUs, a gallon of pure ethanol has 76,100 BTUs. So E10 has less energy and that’s why you lose fuel economy.

E0 is not available in most regions because it burns dirtier than gasoline mixed with ethanol. Ethanol has more oxygen than gasoline which is one reason why it has less energy but also why it burns more cleanly.

It is amazing to me that with all of the attention fuel mileage is receiving from both the OEs and the feds, we continue to embrace ethanol blended into gasoline even though it negatively affects MPG. On Autoline Daily, even aerodynamic wheels were discussed. It will benefit all parties involved – except, of course, the ethanol producers - if the OEs demand that gasoline contain substantially less ethanol if they are to meet more stringent CAFE regulations.

Automakers are actually calling for higher octane. They say they can’t meet the CAFE standards without it. Higher octane allows them to run higher compression ratios and that improves fuel efficiency.

Ethanol has an octane rating of 113. In the U.S. premium gasoline is typically in the RON 91-94 range, and is significantly more expensive than lower grades of gasoline. Adding ethanol is the cheapest way to boost octane. It also burns with fewer particulates.

The problem is that we’re still using corn based ethanol. The U.S. needs to switch to cellulosic ethanol, but that is happening much slower than originally expected.

John McElroy


Just saw this on much cheaper carbon fiber. Wonder how that will improve EV range?

Regards, Tim Beaumont

Thanks much for sending this link. We love it when our viewers help us find good information.

This actually came up as a topic on AAH last night, and we’ll definitely cover it in Autoline Daily.

John McElroy

When will we see cars such as the Camry, Altima and Honda Accord start to loose weight via Aluminum like the F150? Btw, I work at the Lexus Plant in Georgetown, Ky and we recently tied for a Silver Award from JD Power. It has been a fascinating experience to start as a Team Member from the beginning.
Thank You,

Congratulations to you and the team at Georgetown. Keep the kaizen efforts coming!

I don’t think we’re going to see cars like the Camry, Altima and Accord use aluminum as intensively as the F-150. They still have opportunities to cut weight with hot stamped Ultra High Strength Steel and other efforts. Also, these cars will probably be able to meet the 2025 CAFE standard with 48 volt mild hybrid systems.

John McElroy

Hi John,

Autoline Daily said Bosch was interested in offering their Water Injection system to auto companies; do you know whether Water Injection is worth the financial investment to either licensed the system from Bosch or create
their own.

Mike Ma @ San Francisco
Most automakers are not set up to produce injection components in-house. They'd rather buy from Bosch which makes these systems for most OEMs. That gives it greater economies of scale and lower prices than most OEMs could do in-house.

Autonomous technology will definitely make driving safer.
I greatly appreciate the shows. You and the Autoline team do a great job keeping us informed.
David Deaton

For the sake of conversation or something and though you didn't have the chance to answer a third question, I did go and look again at the 2016 Consumer Report 'car issue' again and saw something odd.
For the Chrysler 300 and T&C the last two years looked like Toyota, a line of solid RED circles, but, at the bottom, there is a new category that is solid black for 'used car rating'.  I'll have to do more reading about what that is.
They then use that rating for the short blurbs on each model giving the impression of poor quality and no recommendation.  There seems to be a contradiction.
So I am glad FCA is doing well.  To bad they (Auburn Hills) have to carry Fiat and support them.  I sure see a lot of their minivans on the road.


Having never seen a computer, smart phone or GPS that did not crash, freeze up or glitch at some point, I cannot imagine fully autonomous cars without steering wheels and pedals ever catching on with the masses.

Limited applications such as public transit, ride sharing and disabled persons mobility is where full autonomy will most likely shine.

I do appreciate the technology; I just don't think it will be reliable enough to replace the majority of human drivers anytime soon.

(Perhaps a constitutional amendment protecting the right to drive our own car is needed!)


Hmm, you don’t think that autonomous cars will be reliable enough even though human error is the cause of 95% of all accidents?

No, autonomous cars will never be perfect. Nothing is. But they can be far better than what we have now, from a safety standpoint.

Even so, it will be a long time, if ever, that humans are banned from driving their own cars.

John McElroy

Hi John,

The fact that the "electric turbocharger" isn't driven by exhaust gas has nothing to do with the requirement for an aftercooler. The requirement for aftercooling has to do with pressure ratio of the compressor. When you compress the inlet air its temperature increases. The higher the pressure ratio the higher the temperature.  Engineers must determine the cost benefit ratio of adding an aftercooler based on that.

Richie B

After watching the Autoline show on ‘Piston Engines’ I was fascinated with the profound effort in conserving the age old piston engine. 

Although there are many uses for the piston engine I feel we are wasting way to much horsepower. Pun intended, on trying to keep that engine alive. 

Yes the electric alternative is costly because of the current battery technology but I think the effort spent on new piston engine technology is justmaking them more complicated resulting in the potential for more varied breakdowns and huge maintenance costs.

Whereas electric powered vehicles would lesson most of those issues for example the new Tesla cars with only 8 moving parts not the thousands in piston engine driven vehicles besides the engine. 

I understand the motive in keeping the piston engine businesses alive besides engine manufactures the transmission, clutch, drive shaft, cooling systems and all the ancillary businesses related to them employ thousands.  But there is need to move those employees and our engineering trusts to work on the electric storage issue for one and then creating new work options for the displaced people.

In closing we need to remember that electric power has been in use for years in the railroads, ocean going vessels and modern urban public transportation to name a few for years.  

There are better uses for petroleum products besides gasoline that would be better for our environment and future generations.


A friend made these point(s) the enthusiastic media never makes:

I really don't get the Uber thing except that it is a millennial thing to get cab transportation without calling to speak with someone.  The Uber "entreprenures" are really jitney drivers without commercial insurance,  a commercial license and a cab license required in many cities.  We have friends whose out of work stock broker son in law signed up with Uber. He was going along fine until the Dallas police stopped him. Got a $4000 fine for operating an unlicensed cab. Uber does not tell you how to set up business just sign up and they will send you customers on line. An on line scam just waiting for its first major suit or government intervention.  So the driverless cars are right up their alley. Some big money people will set up the scam and protect themselves through an LLC or S-Corp. The cars will be leased from another such entity and if you go over Mt. Washington,  you will have no one to sue and no insurance.  Uber do ber.  Fun.

Hi John,
An excellent show. Lots of technology discussed. Certainly looks to be a number of alternatives still to come for ICEs.

Your guests, and frankly, almost everyone involved with Detroit and current OEMs are deeply committed to a gasoline internal combustion future, at least for 20 years or more. And, given the current state of R&D, the enormous existing infrastructure and the price of gas, it's a reasonable position.

But the conclusion of the show is the kicker. The customer will decide. I think that BEVs will begin playing a more important role and that the movement will be consumer driven, not economics. This ride sharing/car sharing move to BEVs will give a lot of people their first taste of electric cars.

I look for an external news event ( like transportation now being now the largest producer of co2) or general attitude shift, not CAFE standards or the price of gasoline to start this movement. People rarely make big changes for economics, but for other reasons.

It's going to be fun to watch.

Kind regards

Ian Hendrie 


Thank  you for your informative and interesting show, the production value and content are truly appreciated.  I am concerned, however,  that an issue of substantial importance to me wasn't address directly, but rather hazily implied on your recent broadcast segment in which Marco Palmieri from Novelis was interviewed.  Since carbon emissions and atmospheric carbon dioxide accumulation have driven governments and citizens worldwide to demand auto manufacturers produce vehicles with reduced vehicle emissions, I understand how your show overlooked a portion of the critical broader picture.  However, that doesn't prevent me from pointing out that possibly the foremost authority on mined metals, R. Buckminster Fuller, wrote in his book "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth," our species has already mined all the metals it needs, with efficient recycling we would be able to reuse these metals without their further mining.  In particular, bauxite mining for aluminum is the most carbon intensive and one of the most wasteful to the ecology. I appreciate how much emphasis Novelis is putting on recycling but I shudder to think how much destruction to our planet's climate and life forms it is also reaping by not closing its mines and focusing its efforts on 100% recycling instead.


Jack Bornoff

We haven’t overlooked the emissions story. We’ve devoted numerous shows to this topic. In the show you’re citing, with the chief executive of one of the world’s major aluminum suppliers, we’re naturally going to focus on aluminum. Check out our website and you will find plenty of shows with some of the leading players when it comes to technology and regulations dealing with emissions.

I’m a huge, life-long Buckminster Fuller fan and even got the chance to see him speak at an event in Midland, Michigan back in the mid-1970’s. It was a fantastic 2-hour speech. But as much as I admire him, Bucky didn’t always get it right. For example, his Dymaxion car was unstable at all but very low speeds. I know this from interviewing one of the groups that rebuilt his car.

Also, I’ve never heard of Fuller referred to as the foremost authority on mined metals. He certainly never made that claim. Moreover Bucky didn’t envision a world of 7.5 billion people, or of a China emerging as the second largest economy in the world. The truth of the matter is that there simply isn’t enough material to be recycled to feed today’s economy.

We do a tremendous amount of recycling today. You rarely see the piles of junked cars and mountains of used tires as were so common when I was growing up. That all gets recycled now. In fact, the biggest change in the steel industry in the last 40 years is the emergence of mini-mills whose primary raw material is scrap steel. And it’s not just steel. Well over 90% of all the metals that go into cars gets recycled, at least in the developed world. Yes, we can do a better job, but we’ve made tremendous progress.

And if you’re that worried about all the bauxite getting mined just take a look at all the materials that went into making the laptop you used to send this email. Almost none of them are going to get recycled. They’re headed for the land fill.

John McElroy

Hi John,
Your article on the 120 years of automotive and the new 3D printed car concept from Local Motors made me think of Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder’s creativity in legislation last year that blocked the world’s #1 recognized EV brand, Tesla, from selling cars in the Motor City, and in Michigan.  The customers might be ready for innovative business models, yet clearly the Michigan government will flex it’s muscles to protect the status quo.
I thoroughly enjoy your work!

I could not agree more. Banning Tesla from selling cars in Michigan was a bone headed idea. It’s even more unbelievable coming from a governor who made his name running Gateway, which made its name by selling direct to consumers.

John McElroy

Mr. McElroy,
   My name is Carl and I live in Detroit.   I hear constantly on WWJ radio and on television about all the automakers trying to go to autonomous vehicles.
    I want to know, sir, have they taken a survey of the public to see if the majority even want driverless cars?   I know I don't.  I am not even remotely interested in them and below I have listed the reasons why.
1.  I used to be a computer technician and I know computers break.   This could cause everything from a minor accident to death on a massive scale if some sort of "glich", hardware failure, software failure, or plain human error at the server level.
2.  I find it is more fun to drive myself and if I can't drive, I would not want to get into an "automatic" car.   I like driving and being in control, sir.
3.  Most people I speak with say they want no part of an autonomous car.   
4.  With autonomous cars we are setting ourselves up for failure.   If a satellite failed with all that debris we have floating above the earth by being impacted we could have a real issue.   They have to be controlled by satellite.
5.   I will never drive an autonomous car and as far as I am concerned they will sit there rusting on the car lots.   This project could backfire on the entire auto industry.  I find them COMPLETELY USELESS.   I want the feel of curves, the handling of the steering, and the dependability of braking power.   
6.  Here in our country we could be setting ourselves up for national defeat by a foreign power hacking into our vehicles.   Get my drift?   We have enough of those issues already, Mr. McElroy.
      I hope they have considered these issues.
      Thanks for your time, sir.

I take it that you are not blind or have any vision deficiencies. I assume you don’t have some kind of mental or physical disability, either. Probably you’re not old enough to have your children threatening to take away your driver’s license, at least not yet. And I’m sure you don’t have DUI issues.

You don’t ever have to buy one or even get in one. But I can assure you there will be millions of people all around the world who depend on others for their mobility and they will be thrilled to have the freedom that autonomous cars will give them.

John McElroy

I thought you might enjoy this..  How much is the auto industry actually diving into this dangerous territory?
Dave Tuttle

This is hilarious, but also somewhat misleading. Unscrupulous lenders are everywhere. Those who offer payday loans are probably the worst and far more prevalent than pay-here, buy-here dealers. Not that I’m defending those kinds of dealers, they’re unethical. Their standards are very lax. They don’t check FICO scores, or even income. They will happily loan money to people who can’t possibly pay it all back. So they make their money on repos. Why this is legal I don’t know.

People watching this John Oliver piece are going to think this applies to all dealers and car companies and that the auto industry is going to collapse again. But his piece is really all about independent used car dealers. It’s hard to find franchised dealers that engage in this kind of lending.

He points to GM Financial and asks why in the world would it get involved in subprime loans. In point of fact, that’s the only kind of loan that GM Financial is legally allowed to make, though it’s working on getting the OK to loan to prime lenders.

Just because someone has a sub-prime rating doesn’t mean they are a terrible credit risk. Many honest people lost their jobs and even their homes during the Great Recession. They’re only now getting decent paying jobs and getting back on their feet financially. Provided they make their payments, in a couple of years they’ll be back to a prime rating. Why not loan them the money to buy a new car?

What John Oliver needs to do (if he hasn’t already) is a piece on unpaid student loans, which total over one trillion dollars. My cousin, the investment banker on Wall Street, tells me that’s where the ‘Street thinks the next financial crisis will come from because everyone knows that money is never going to get repaid.

John McElroy

When Industry critics and DC Pundit's want to know why more people are not buying new cars with the latest technologies and most efficient engines, take a look at this town:

Salisbury MD:

Family Median Income $40,277

The median home value in Salisbury is $136,200.

The cost of a house us 3 1/2 times the median income.  How much money is left after the mortgage (~$1000), federally mandated healthcare (~$1000), and bills (~$1000+) for the luxury of a new car (>$350/month).  How about a lightly used car that is only a few years old?  There is a reason that many people shop at buy-here pay-here third of fourth tier dealerships; it's all they can afford!
The simple fact is the cost of a new car with all of the mandated safety, efficiency, and luxury technologies is just out of reach for many American's.  Those who can afford a new car want a large capable truck or SUV.  If the price point for small cars was realistic for the masses, I think they would sell in much greater numbers.  They might even be profitable for the manufactures.

This town was chosen because it is less than 75 miles away from DC so the politicians can go see first hand.  The environmental lobbyists can see first hand how they are wrecking the American dream.  Our younger generation, our recent college graduates, all sorts of hard working American's would love to buy a new car on a regular interval.  The reality, however, is they can not afford to do so.

Central Florida

I really enjoyed the 2 shows with Ed Wellburn. (ATW#2021 & ATW#2022) I was curious about the silver car just to Ed’s right in the background. It reminded me of a late 50’s Cadillac, but obviously nothing I saw on the road (at least in the Boston area, where I grew up).
Any details would be appreciated.
Eric Wilker

I believe the car you’re referring to is the Cadillac Le Mans. The other Cadillac concept car in the studio that day with that fantastic interview with Ed Welburn was the Cyclone. Ed brought out some of the coolest cars in the GM collection so we would have a great backdrop for the show.

John McElroy
Hi John,

On the news of Fast Lane Daily being cancelled, I am compelled to tell you my point of view on it.

I was a subscriber to FLD for a while years ago, but I found the content expanded beyond pure car news and sometimes was very off color and offputting to me. I found you and Autoline after being disgusted with one of the Fast Lane Daily shows and quickly cancelled them and became a very loyal follower of AutolineDetroit and then Autoline. (And your coverage and production values have come a long way since then!) I very much admire you, Sean, and your team for keeping to the industry news and keeping my interest honestly without getting political unless truly applicable to regulations and never getting off color. It's my belief that an auto enthusiast should have the joy of watching his or her news without worrying about it getting off track or offensive. Thank you so much!



Thanks for your feedback and your support for Autoline. We sure appreciate it.

John McElroy

Hey John,

I may be wrong but I think back in the early '60s real knockoffs were outlawed for street use if the spinner extended outside
the fender sheet metal due to safety concerns.

The past few years I have been noticing a trend that I feel is the same issue. It surprises me that I haven't heard any
complaints about it...
Have you noticed that more and more big rigs are using extended lug nuts that stick out 3 to 4 inches from the rim? 
They are long tapered chrome cosmetic replacements that are almost always just on the front wheels.
They wouldn't be an issue on any of the other wheels because off the offset of the rear wheels.
 It can be quite scary riding in a car with a low ride height and look out the window to see these spikes sticking out
at eye level to you.

I wish they would just go back to the naked lady mud flaps...

Thanks for all the great content!

The Mayor

Annapolis, MD


I really appreciated your analysis of the big, public dealers when talking about whether the auto manufacturers should follow Tesla’s lead and sell direct. The one problem with the analysis is that it includes COGS in the revenue number (cost of goods sold). Dealer revenue isn’t usually inclusive of the cost of the car when being analyzed by financial firms (e.g. I am in insurance, and when we are sizing the risk at a dealership, we subtract the value of the cars from the revenue to see what the dealer themselves is actually doing vs acting as an agent for the car makers). If you remove the COGS here, I think you’d find that the profit margins of AutoNation, Penske, etc are actually pretty healthy.

And that follows for car makers selling direct. The manufacturing arm always has the COGS of the cars built into it, so you’d be double counting if you included it in the dealership side.

Hope that’s useful to the analysis as I think it may change your conclusion, at least for that reason. Whether the dealer model is the right model is a multi-faceted, complex and political (as Tesla has found!) issue.

All the best, and keep doing what you guys do. I love your daily news!

Bryan Falchuk

Fantastic feedback! You make a great point and I need to go back and rethink the numbers.

John McElroy

John and Co.,
I certainly don't have your breadth of historical knowledge. Can you think of another major supplier that's dropped an OEM?
I suspect Tesla will work around Mobileye dropping them somehow but this has to be a set back. 

Great question! It’s very rare for a supplier to deliberately drop an OEM customer. Who wants to give up business? It has happened in the past. But it usually revolves around the OEM demanding such low prices that the supplier feels compelled to walk away from the deal.

I think Mobileye walked away from Tesla for two reasons: all the bad publicity surrounding the fatality with the Tesla Autopilot, and the consortium deal that Mobileye just signed with BMW and Intel. I don’t think it had anything to do with pricing.

John McElroy

Hi guys,
I get very frustrated with your reports of car company earnings that report absolute EBIT (eg 1.7 billion), but do not also calculate and display the EBIT% (on revenue).
Like all business men, I use EBIT% to judge the heath of a business. $1.7 billion might seem a lot of money especially, if it is up by 30% on last year’s EBIT, but if the EBIT% on revenue is only 3% and growth is slow, then the business is not doing well and they are having problems containing costs or with maintaining prices.
So as a request, can you also report the EBIT% as well as the absolute EBIT. This way I do not have to freeze the screen and reach for the calculator.

In broadcasting it can become tedious to read a bunch of numbers. It’s quite different than with print, where it’s easier for readers to pause and look at all the numbers. So we keep it to vehicle sales, revenue, EBIT and net profit.

But your suggestion does have merit. We’ll consider adding EBIT as a % of sales. But in the meantime, keep that calculator handy!

John McElroy

I just saw an ad for the Cadillac CT6 with everyone going backwards and then they introduced the "new" Cadillac CT6 but it never told me what a CT6 is or why I should buy one. It didn't make me run out to a dealer and buy one. What are they doing?

Michael Gelven
Sometimes automakers just want to break out of the clutter and run an ad to make an impression, not a hard sell. If they got your attention, they consider that a success. And clearly this ad got your attention. The thinking is that if you’re curious enough about the car, you’ll look for more information on your own.

Hello Autoline,
I watch a couple of shows a week, especially This Week and After Hours.
I prefer to watch the live shows, because of the pre- after-show footage. But I always have trouble finding out when these live shows are taking place.
Do you have a listing with dates and times of the live shows ?
Kind regards

We have quite a few viewers who love to watch the pre-show and after-show segments of Autoline After Hours. It really gives them a behind the scenes look at what it takes to produce a show. And sometimes you get some pretty unguarded comments from the guests!

We turn the cameras on live in our studio just before 3 pm eastern time every Thursday. But sometimes we pre-record the show if we’re on the road and don’t have the pre- and post- segments.

Thanks for your interest,
John McElroy

There have been some comments re: the CV transmission vs. the “normal” type.

As a subscriber to various automotive mags I had developed a bias against CVTs. I recently had my Lincoln MKC in for service and was given a MKZ Hybrid with stop/start and a CVT as a loaner. This was exactly the type of car that I had no interest in but was very pleasantly surprised. The car was peppy, very smooth and the stop/start operated flawlessly. The car did not drone unless pressed very hard and the milage was amazing.

While not sure I would buy one as Lincoln does not offer this combination in a CUV it changed my impression.

Barry Lurges
CVT’s have come a long way in just the past few years. Automakers have finally figured out how to calibrate them to drive more pleasantly, and to make them fairly robust. Thanks for sharing your experience, we’re sure to hear from more “converts.”

Hi John,
It’s been a while since you’ve talked with anyone from Elio Motors.  It almost looks like they might make it into production.  What do you think?  Can they succeed?  Can they do it in our lifetime?
Have a great day,
Elio Motors faces a formidable challenge. While it has a nice looking vehicle and good fuel economy, 3-wheelers with tandem seating have very limited market appeal. Since it’s officially classified as a motorcycle it meets none of the crash standards and that too will limit its appeal to a mass audience. Elio could do a lot better in emerging markets where price, efficiency and size matter, but in the US it will be relegated to a relatively small niche.

Hi guys,
Very interesting show. My only comment was about Gary's assertion that millennials don't buy into lifetime employment like all the people before them.
They may not, but that's not new. When I graduated university in 1972 as a mechanical engineer, I had lots of choice of employers, and I flitted every 3 years or so from one to another. When you change jobs, you can move ahead each time with substantial salary rises. So with no employment issues, if you were ambitious you had to keep moving. No current employer will give you 30% more money every 3 years to keep you, but has no problem spending that on the next great thing.
Selective job hopping is good for your career, at least in engineering and management.

Kind regards


Thanks for your observation about my observation about Millennials and their work habits.

I think a difference between what you did and what they are doing is one of short attention span vs. some very clever financial strategies.

There have been 14 three-year periods between now and 1972. If you got a 30% bump 14 times, then I’m really feeling bad that in January I will have been at this job for 30 years and I’ve never even gotten a single 30% raise. Even if you’ve made a move even half that many of times, the multiplier is still significant.

I’m jealous.

Thanks for writing. And watching.


Gary S. Vasilash
Automotive Design & Production

I was just wondering your thoughts about the Elio electric car and your prediction where Chrysler will be a year from now. I work in the factory and the workers are very worried about our jobs. We remember what happened before so we were wondering, do you think it could happen again? I know this may sound quite early to start thinking like this, but the majority here on the assembly line are worried for our jobs, because if you think about it we think the Auto industry is going down in the sump. I don't know. You're the expert on it. Let us know what's going on either through a broadcast or to an email. Thanks.


Elio Motors faces a real tough challenge. They’re going about it the old fashioned way: lots of upfront capital spending and using a massive assembly plant. They do have some seasoned automotive execs on their board, but I would have preferred to see them start small and grow over time, rather than try go huge from Day 1. Also, the Elio is officially classified as a motorcycle and doesn’t have to meet any of the crash standards. I think that will limit its appeal.

As for where Chrysler will be a year from now, who knows? It all depends on what the economy and car sales are doing. But I don’t share your concerns that the auto industry is going down the drain. Even though so many people seem worried, I don’t know why. We probably will set another all-time sales record this year. How bad can things be if we’re still running at record levels? And if sales slow down a bit after that, who cares? I don’t see a problem if car sales hover in the 16.5 million to 17 million range. If I’m right that still means you and your colleagues will have good jobs for years to come.

John McElroy

I would really be interested to see a discussion of road (congestion) pricing as a way to fund our vehicle infrastructure rather than gas taxes.  Specifically, I would like to hear about the funding benefits, environmental benefits, and fund-to-drive benefits of moving to this type of infrastructure pricing.

Thanks for the suggestion. I think it would have to be part of a larger discussion on road infrastructure. With V2X coming in the next five years it could be part of that discussion. If we’re going to get vehicles communicating with traffic infrastructure, we need to figure out how to pay for it all and this could be the perfect time to talk about per-mile and congestion pricing.

John McElroy

Excellent show!  Enjoyed Margo Oge insights.


Thanks for the feedback. We love having Margo on our shows.

John, your analysis of dealer profit margin is missing the point.  Auto manufacturers want to eliminate dealers, and all of the associated negative experiences, to improve the customer experience, improve loyalty, and ultimately sell more cars at higher profit margins.  Why can't I just go online and buy a car?  Why do I have to get beaten up in the F&I office?  Why do I have to haggle with the pros?  Do I really need a gold trim kit and padded vinyl roof?  Your thinking sounds like GM in the 1980s and 1990s - just think about how much we can improve our profit margin if we just rebadge the same car as a Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Buick, and Cadillac.  No one will notice that a Chevy Cavalier and Cadillac Cimarron are the same car.


The 1971 Eldorado discussion and photography from a high angle reminded me of working in an office building in 1972 where at the end of the day I'd be looking down at the rush hour traffic and would take note of the impressive designs of the GM cars.  They would stand out from the others in how all the lines, from any angle, were resolved and purposeful.


Hi John,
The same question comes up every time I hear about car sharing and how most cars sit for 23 hours a day… 
We have “rush hour” and “school commutes" nearly ubiquitous in every community, and that’s WHEN most want to use their vehicle. What percentage of vehicles are sitting during these times?  
Of those, which aren’t “specialty use” vehicles (sports, trucks/vans, hobby, unreliable, undesirable, etc) vehicles that would be useful or appropriate for sharing? 
That remainder is the pool of cars available for “sharing”, should the owner actually be willing. I would be cautious with estimating what that final number would be.
Love your work!

Wow, these are some very specific questions. Very granular!

You’re right, there are peak times during the day when car & ride sharing services would be heavily used. But the same goes for taxis in use today—you can measure demand by the lines of people waiting for one. The difference with ride sharing services is that you get an app that will tell you exactly when and which car will be there to pick you up. In some places ride sharing will be a breeze to use, in others it may not be as efficient. But keep in mind this is all in its infancy.

Uber already has 1 million drivers globally and in San Francisco alone it has delivered over 1 million rides. That’s just one ride sharing service and despite all its publicity, Uber is not even the biggest in the world (that honor does to Didi in China). Even so, Uber’s stats give the best idea of just how fast all this is growing.

John McElroy

Although I cannot find and original article/press release, I could swear Ford announced that the all new 2014 Fusion was specifically designed NOT to accept a V6 engine.  How then can Ford explain the new 2017 sport?  Was significant unibody/chassis redesign required, or was the old statement marketing verbal creative license?
Maybe it did, but we don’t remember Ford saying that. However, Hyundai did design the Sonata with only 4-cylinders in mind.

Hello, missed this show and could only leave a comment today. Just in case I am too late, I am forwarding my suggestion by e mail:
“John: my addition would be the Dodge Magnum. Especially the European version with the Chrysler 300C front, called 300C Touring Wagon. Equipped with a Mercedes 3.0 L Diesel engine or the Hemi 5.7L V8 those should be rare, are esthetically pleasing and have interesting if not rare powertrain technology.”
I love your show!
best regards,
I agree. I always liked the Dodge Magnum, it was a terrific looking station wagon, and was sorry to see it dropped. In Europe they sold it with the Chrysler 300 nose and it looked better still.


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