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A lot of your episodes are about autonomous tech and safety tech. Have there been any studies into the level of demand for this. I know I’m in the minority but I am getting alarmed by the average price of new cars (more and more tech) and is there any concern that all this tech is breeding less skilled drivers? I wish more money and regulation would be put into driver training and regular testing of skill.

Thanks in advance. Always find the show informative.

Dan in Alberta

Great question about the demand for autonomous technology. And we couldn’t agree more on the need for more driver training and regular skill testing.

You’re right, the price of new cars is turning a lot of customers to the used car market. Automakers are worried, but certainly when it comes to safety technology, they have no choice. In the US they already committed to making Automated Emergency Braking as standard equipment starting next year. There is also high consumer demand for blind spot detection.

When it comes to autonomous technology Cadillac says 75% of the customers who use Super Cruise say they will only buy another car that offers it. And Tesla customers will be shelling out $10,000 to unlock Full Self Driving. So amongst certain consumers, there is clearly high demand for this technology.

AV technology will continue to spread, but don’t look for fully autonomous cars in your local showroom anytime soon. AVs will likely be first used by fleets running ride-hailing services in population-dense geo-fenced cities.

John McElroy

John, we are witnessing governments around the world FORCE the greatest misallocation of Capital in man’s history. When all is said and done we will have seen these Governments - including the USA’s - Force more than a TRILLION dollars into a wrongheaded idea > BEVs!  Save this e-mail!

We’ll do more than save your email. We’ll publish it in Viewer Mail so others can read it too.

John McElroy

From which year to which year did our Television Program "American Driver" run?
Also, when did we move out of our offices on Schoolcraft Road in Livonia?
Wow, now you’re taxing our memory. We moved out of our Livonia studio in 2011. American Driver ran for one or two seasons in the early 2000s.

Ford E-transit. Finally! Well maybe. Not until late '21. Which is Detroit speak for '22. Ford will sell a million of them if they are ever made. Look forward to seeing one in your show. My Sasquatch won't get here until next summer. Maybe. The corporate inertia is underwhelming. 
Have a Great Thanksgiving. God bless to you and yours. Mark
Not until late '21. Which is Detroit speak for '22.

That is hilarious!

Happy Thanksgiving, and thanks for your note.


Hi Guys,

Guessing someone has already let you know but on the part where you didn’t want to give your driving info to Apple or Google maps...Waze IS owned by Google. 


Hi John,
     I was impressed with the number of new EVs from new fresh auto co.s, but our old ICE co.s must have their heads in the sand. We are supposed to have thousands, of EVs on our roads in about ten years, but most will come from new fresh products, because our auto industry is not producing the volume required.

These guys might make a good ATW guest? Anything that improves the EV cost-performance equation these days is a subject of interest. They claim to have two OEM customers lined up.
Thanks guys.

Thanks for sending. We’re aware of this company and will reach out to them.

Saw this article this afternoon, quite a story.

Great report, thanks for sending!

Hi John/Sean,
This may be slightly old news, and I’m not even sure it’s worth sharing on A.D., but I thought I’d share anyway.  It appears Aston Martin is trying their hand at high-end residential design.  Check it out.

Thanks for sending, I hadn’t seen this. I think Porsche Design did something in Miami. It’s interesting to see Aston take its brand into different industries. Maybe that’s a way to grow the company.


Hi Mr. McElroy,
Thanks for starting Autoline Daily with Inmotive's Ingear EV transmission the other day.
I've been watching Autoline in its various forms since the 90's on PBS, so I jumped out of my chair to see the segment start with a product I'm working on!
Thanks so much and please keep up the great work!

You’re welcome.

We love showing our viewers clever engineering and new technology, especially from the supplier community.

So congrats to you guys!

John McElroy

I was talking with a friend in Sweden today, and the talk got around to EVs.  He indicated that the benchmark year for automakers with regards to tailpipe CO2 emissions is 2020, and that as a consequence, the European auto manufacturers are actively discouraging the sales of their EVs this year (in favour of ICE's), so as to make subsequent years less punitive.
I listen regularly to Autoline today and Afterhours and have not heard this aspect mentioned.  It helps explain the apparent low EV volumes that mainstream European manufacturers are demonstrating.
Neither of us are in the auto sector.

It’s unlikely that European automakers discouraged sales of EVs this year because sales are booming. They’re up nearly 50% this year. The EU now leads the world in EV sales, even greater than in China.

Automakers can earn “super credits” by selling EVs this year, in 2021 and 2022 that make it easier to meet CO2 regulations. So those who have EVs in the market right now have an advantage since the super credits go away in 2023.

There will be a lot more EVs coming out in the next three years and sales will undoubtedly go much higher.

John McElroy

Hi John.  I realize this is a bit late, but you mentioned something about the MONDEO last week.  I think this is the car that Ford was going to “compete” with Subaru’s OUTBACK.  I remember the wagon was going to be called the Fusion ACTIVE.  With Fords bigger 2.0 engine and AWD.  Is Ford still contemplating this?  Or with the COVID situation, are those plans kaput?   It is amazing no one has even tried to give Subaru some competition.   Thanks for being there.  I watch every day.  Bob

Ford will come out with the Fusion Active in about a year. It will be a CUV/station wagon which looks very similar in profile to a Subaru Outback. Ford is consciously trying to come out with CUVs with different profitles because they’re all starting to look the same.

Thanks for being a loyal Autoline viewer!

John McElroy

RE: VW's Oliver Schmidt released
This has not been mentioned on your show.
From NY Times, September 29th

Oliver Schmidt, who worked as Volkswagen’s liaison with American regulators, was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2017 after pleading guilty to charges that he helped cover up the wrongdoing. Mr. Schmidt was released last week, prison records indicate. The German edition of the Business Insider website reported Monday that Mr. Schmidt was transferred to Germany, where he is expected to be placed on probation.

Oliver still has not been released by German authorities. We’ll have him back on the show when he’s able to do it.

John McElroy

Dear Sir,
I really enjoy your reporting. I heard your story today on Tesla, and how they view all departments as “startups.” You did not explain what that means. I would be grateful for an elucidation.
Thank you.

Thanks for your interest.

As you probably know, in established or traditional companies, different parts of the company are business units that perform their functions according to company protocols and processes. Everything they do has to fit a pre-determined budget that generally gets reviewed every quarter. They are seldom given much autonomy.

A startup, on the other hand, figures everything out on its own. In tech companies, like Tesla, they often follow a “ready, fire aim” approach in which they just start doing things with the idea that they’ll figure out how to do it better as they go along. In other words, they often don’t follow a business plan, or even if they do, that plan is fluid and malleable.

Startups move far faster and take more risks than traditional companies. They’re willing to make mistakes, learn from them, and move on. “Fail fast” is a Silicon Valley motto. The danger is that they can fail, and most do. But the payoff is they can create new markets or move into established markets and disrupt them.

Tesla’s approach of treating all its business functions as startups is unique, and helps explain why it was able to move so fast in developing new products and services. The payoff is that it now has a higher market capitalization than any traditional automaker. In fact, it’s worth more than GM, Ford and FCA combined.

John McElroy

G'day John, Sean and Gary!

Here is another idea for you and the team to consider.  With all of your collective automotive and business wisdom, it might be fun to start competitive auto industry stock portfolios.  They don't have to be real, but you could each manage one and report on the financial performance each week of the John Fund, the Gary Fund and the Sean fund.   You could even gather input from guests on AAH to see what they recommend.

You could each start with a predetermined amount of money (say $100,000), and then invest it in any five or more companies you like, so long as they are affiliated in some way with the automotive industry. You already talk about so many companies and their relative strengths or weaknesses, it would be fun to see what each of you pick for your portfolios and how each one performs.  I imagine that, like me, many of your viewers invest in the stock market and probably most of them have some stocks connected to the industry.

With each of you having your own portfolio, and likely picking different collections of companies, I don't think there would be any issues around the topic of endorsement or favoritism.  You might have to have a verbal waiver each time you discuss them. And, since they would be virtual instead of using your actual money, it distances it further from those types of issues.

What do you think?

GM Veteran
I think this is a great idea. I think we could have a lot of fun with this and get some great viewer involvement.

Sean, your script writer let you down! [Tesla's] Automotive profit was $2,105M of which $397M was regulatory credits. Where do you think all the cash is coming from while paying for Berlin, Austin and Shanghai.
You’re referring to Tesla’s gross profit. That’s an important number but doesn’t capture the full story of how a company is operating. The operating profit and net profit tell a more complete story and that’s why we always use those numbers when we report a company’s financials.

Hi John,
    Dale Leonard here. Please help me settle a heated discussion regarding Hydrogen powered vehicles.
    My friend states hydrogen powered vehicles research just started in the late 1990's or early 2000's. I beg to differ. I told him the GM had a prototype hydrogen powered vehicle back in the late 70's or sometime in the 1980's.
    I remember this because at the Cleveland Auto Show a hydrogen prototype was actually stolen from the parking lot and the GM Rep. begged for it's return,no questions asked,as if tampered with it could explode.
    It may have been in the 1990's,but at 70 years old,and being a total gear head,I have a good memory for items that stood out over the years. And the theft of this prototype really sticks in my mind.
    Thanking You in Advance, Dale Leonard - Cleveland,Ohio
Hi Dale,
Great to hear from you!
GM’s fuel cell van project is even older than you think it is. The GM Electrovan was developed in 1966. In fact, we did an Autoline After Hours about it with Floyd Wyczalek, one of the original engineers who worked on it. Here’s a link to that show.
John McElroy

The new Hummer looks cool. But the 350 mile range (if that’s not sandbagging a much higher number) is really worrying. That gives you little margin for towing/hauling or using the battery for powering other things like tools or campsite lighting, etc.
I’d prefer something that gave 650 miles of highway use @ a reasonable 800 lb. load without trailer so that I could have perhaps 200 miles for towing.
New Haven, Connecticut

To get a 650 mile range would require something like a 160 kWh battery pack, which would probably cost around $23,000. It would also add a tremendous amount of weight that would reduce payload.

A range extender might be a better solution for now until battery costs and weight come down significantly.

John McElroy

In the interview with Bob Pyle of Dana, he included 48 volt in the technologies they have expertise in. What do you think of the future for 48 volt? Did it come too late to be of much benefit?
48-volt systems are very common in Europe, where they’re mainly used on small cars. But they’re also available in the US, where they’re standard on the Ram pickup and available on the Jeep Wrangler.

At least the guy from Dana was honest; they have
no ambition to help drive zero emission adoption, instead they will sell what ever the market demands. It’s going to be interesting, those of us who have been driving full battery electric vehicles for some time see combustion going to zero, the only question is how quick or slow? The market demand from many OEMs will continue down the green wash hybrid route but that day has passed, hybrids were a great transition to full EVs but we are there now, so no need to continue to belch out the poison. Hopefully behind the scenes Dana have business plans fir when there is no combustion otherwise they are toast.


Dana has a robust EV development program for the commercial market.
John McElroy

Dear John,
I was an automotive journalist in Eastern Europe from 1992 to 2004 for Financial Times and Reuters.
You carried my coverage of the 1998 Moscow motor show in AI Insider. (Attached.)
I am digitizing my archive from the region, and I recently took a step to publicize this.
This preservation is expensive, however, and I am not looking to commercialize the content.
Based on your experience, would you know of places that might support this initiative?
Realizing this may seem an obscure project in the US, I would be grateful for any guidance.
Many thanks and best regards, Ryan

Nice to hear from you and thanks for attaching the copy of AI Insider.
The interest in your files will depend on what you have and what the subject is about. You should search around but two possible places to start are the Revs Institute or the National Automotive Historical Collection.
John McElroy

Hi Autoline,
Everyone seems to be so focused on Tesla being an innovator but I can see one area where Tesla is following Ford.
Tesla seems to have adopted Ford’s Crown Vic strategy with the Model S – amortizing the cost of the platform over a 40 year period by never changing a thing!
Thanks and keep up the great content – I never miss a Daily or AAH episode.
Toronto, Canada.

Thanks! We’ll publish this in Viewer Mail so others can enjoy it too.

John McElroy

You keep referring to Tesla price cuts as reaction to competition and lack of demand.

Sure their price changes are more visible to consumer than trad OEMs (dealers see dynamic pricing all the time but hidden to consumers), and I’ll agree model S needs some incentives until the refresh arrives, but you’d do well to remember the price changes last time a revolution happened in domestic vehicle sales (introduction of Ford model T); back then prices were cut as scale drove down costs. Lower price meant accessible to more buyers, growing demand further and even more economies of scale.
The switch to EVs is an equivalent revolution; was only available to those who could afford (or had some interest in new tech/zero emissions), as prices drop the mainstream buyer is interested, volume. Increase, costs go lower, prices can be adjusted.

Yes you Can accuse me of being a “fan boy” but no other OEM is as serious about getting better, cleaner, faster, cheaper products into consumer hands than Tesla. So I consider myself just better educated on what’s happening (and yes I encourage and welcome every other EV step the OEMs or start ups make, but so far the volume/percentage of sales are too low to have significant impact).


Worcester, UK

Thanks for your feedback.

Your comparison to the Model T is spot on. But Ford cut the price of the T about once a year, not three times in three months as Tesla has done. So its seems Tesla is cutting prices more on a whim, or because of competitive pressures. Even so, hopefully these price cuts will spur more sales of EVs.

John McElroy

Always enjoy your shows, both daily and weekly. Please keep up the good work. I keep waiting for John’s engine and transmission prognosticattion to come true, but none of the big OEMs or suppliers have announced a plan to make a standard turbocharged 4 cylinder engine for multiple brands yet. Totally agree that no car buyers about who makes the engine these days. 
And while Sandy Munro is still the best guest of all time, the International Man of Mystery is a close second. 

Thanks for the feedback.

And we’ll let Simon Sproule know he’s Number Two!

John McElroy

Hey John ,
   I have to say the new Ford President seems like a breath of fresh air and not afraid to shake up the status quo! I heard he may want Ford to sell again small affordable cars. Hopefuy this will be a return of the focus and fiesta to our shores!!! 
 When you had the head of ford performance on your show I had to bite my tongue from asking is ford performance a thing now that the only fun projects are the Mustang and the gt... Not a huge satisfaction over an edge ST. 
I know lots of people upset that ford dropped the focus RS and the ST and the fiesta ST. They had huge fan bases 
My 2 cents,
Bo from Canada
You’re right, some of Ford’s most loyal customers are the RS and ST crowd. Ford needs to figure out how to keep them loyal.



I heard that Nissan is going to stop offering the Titan in Canada. 
This made we wonder if Nissan offers the Titan in other markets that the 
Renault-Nissan group is strong in.

Specifically, with Lada in Russia and Dacia in Romania, does Nissan sell 
rebadged versions in those countries? It would seem an obvious thing to 
try, but maybe Renault and Nissan aren't able to cooperate that much any more. Another obvious rebadge 
would be offering the Renault Twizzy in China as a Nissan. Did that ever 


Full-size pickups don’t sell well outside of North America. Nissan sells the Navara/Frontier in other global markets.

The Twizzy is kind of an old design at this point, and with a price tag of $8,000 it would be expensive for the Chinese market. It’s an open air 1-seater that would compete against enclosed cars like the Wuling Hong Guang that cost half at much.

Thanks for pointing out the Titan will no longer be sold in Canada. That probably means it’s days are numbered in the US as well.

China produces more than twice the vehicles than the USA does,  have more new car sales than the US & we are falling fast( spec.s from world auto sect. )
Not looking good for us.
China has four times the population of the United States. It should come as no surprise that it makes and sells more cars. India also has four times the population of the US, and if it ever gets its economic act together it too should surpass the US in car sales. Africa is a continent of a billion people and will surpass both China and India in population by 2050. It could become the greatest growth market in the world. Why all the angst over the US no longer being the largest? It is still the most dynamic and profitable market in the world.

Dear Autoline Daily,

I really appreciated the discussion yesterday about the Tesla Battery Day presentation.

I didn’t get a chance to ask a question ahead of time but is there any estimate of the capital commitments Tesla will have to make to achieve the goals set out in that presentation?  It was mentioned that the ability to scale that production will be very difficult.

I also wanted to mention that I work at one of Tesla’s Wall Street Creditors.  I do not have an engineering background so I look the experts that you have on to give me a grounded perspective...maybe you could tone down the Wall Street criticism next time.


Elon Musk says he wants to make 3 terawatts of battery cells a year by 2030. That would require 35 gigafactories like the one in Nevada. Published reports say the Nevada factory cost $5 billion. At the Battery Day Tesla unveiled plans for a new, smaller battery factory but it’s probably at least 3 years away from proving the concept works. So the total cost to reach 3 terawatts is probably in the $75-100 billion range.

Apologies about the anti-Wall Street comments, though I think you’ll find they all came from Sandy Munro and not the other panelists. Sandy does not trust the financial community.

John McElroy

John & Sean,

I read and watch a lot of news in the automotive world, but this one somehow got past me.  I had no idea GM was planning to extract a monthly charge from its customers to keep its SuperCruise feature working, did you?.  In addition, according to the linked article below, owners will also need an active OnStar subscription and an internet connectivity package.  That adds up to a pretty nifty sum each month for the privilege of keeping a Level 2 AV system working!  And, that is in addition to the hefty initial price tag to get this feature in your Cadillac to begin with.

They generously offered a 3-year free trial (whoever heard of such a thing?).  I suppose that was to get most of their initial owners to the end of their lease, or to arrive at a point in time when these systems were more prevalent in the marketplace and perhaps when other automakers would be charging for this service too.   In any case, it makes Cadillac (and GM) look bad, and cheap.  Its not like its a miraculous breakthrough feature that no other company offers.

This reminds me of BMW's ill-fated scheme to charge its customers to activate or keep activated certain features on their newest cars.   I expect that Elon Musk will be crowing about how the Tesla system is more advanced than SuperCruise, with no monthly fee.  This just makes GM look like a company that is out to gouge its customers in a desperate attempt to attain their desired 10% operating margin each year.

GM Veteran

We agree. Charging monthly fees to use features already engineered into your car is a tough pill to swallow. Unfortunately, this is probably just the beginning. Automakers are desperate to get monthly subscription fees and they're going to try and figure out how they charge a fee for as many items as they can. And remember, if you want to use FSD in your Tesla you have to cough up $8,000. That works out to $133/month if you keep the car for 5 years.

Hello John,
               I’m guessing you already know about house bill 6233 that will essentially ban new car companies in this state. Once again, the dealers are protecting their turf and trying to keep out the new EV’s and other alternative modes of mobility. Why would any new mobility startup want to come to Michigan with such a hostile environment? This would curb innovation, and development in these areas, not to mention all the jobs that would leave with the companies. It would also have a negative on the suppliers supporting these startups.

I was aware of this, but thanks for pointing it out. Michigan has a very strong dealer lobby and the only way to keep the state open to new business models is to write to your elected officials!

John McElroy

With all the fanfare being given to EV model introductions by every leading auto brands, I am struck at how long it took the mainstream Auto business to follow Elon's lead. We are nearly two full automotive model cycles down the road from the Roadster and Model S.
It really speaks volumes about how entrenched (not in a flattering way) the mainstream automobile business was. 
And in spite of that, I still haven't seen an unequivocal "Tesla killer". Amazing.
Do you see any release in the next 12 months that will "beat" Tesla's years' old product offering?
Always enjoy my Autoline listening time. Thanks!!

Keep in mind that Tesla lost money every year for a decade. Who else would be able to do that? No one—not an established OEM or a startup. Elon has an unique ability to raise money, so Tesla’s capital has essentially been for free, otherwise it would have folded up years ago.

Now that EV technology has matured and the infrastructure is getting built we’re seeing a lot more action from everyone else. Don’t expect a “Tesla killer” but you can expect plenty of competent Tesla competitors.

The only thing that could slow Tesla from reaching much higher sales volumes is its small number of distribution and service centers. Right now Tesla customers will drive long distances to take delivery of their Tesla or get it serviced. It will be difficult to convince large numbers of car buyers to do the same.

John McElroy

Major pod cast listener for years. I would have been sick if I would have contributed financially to your show as I kept telling myself I should. Why? Because we do not listen to your shows to get your views on politics. We get enough on local and national news. I have deleted every pod cast, after thours, daily, .Tv. All. And scored them low. You have isolated and offended every patriot American who cares about all people. BLM is a corporation, based on supporting you if the color of your skin is not white. Offensive, racist and sick minded and you intentionally had an agenda item on your show to give your opinion and support. So sad.

Hello Mr. McELroy, How Are You, Gary V. And Sean???     Is Trevor Milton a Snake Oil salesman???  Or just a s savvy guy that's so Good he could sell freezers to Eskimos ( "Indigeness Northern Americans")????  I really don't understand this "ebit" stuff, or how an "alleged" truck manufacturer can have a higher estimated value than most truck makers that have been in business for 50 or more years; even though HE'S NEVER DELIVERED A SINGLE FRIGG'IN TRUCK!!! This guy can threaten to sue Hindenburg or anyone else all he wants, because that would take years in our court system, which would buy him a bunch of time; but my questions are : is Trevor Milton's "House Of Cards" about to come tumbling down??? Did General Motors do their due diligence before they signed that deal??? Is the most important guy at Nikola the head fuel cell engineer or the Head Corporate Lawyer???  STAY TUNED TO AUTOLINE DAILY FOR BREAKING NEWS!!!  I also heard Sean say you were gonna have Sandy Munro on your show on Tesla's Battery Day.  THAT'S GREAT!!! BRILLIANT!!!!  You know I'm starting to think of Sandy as a little known National Treasure, kinda like the WILLIE NELSON OF THE AMERICAN CAR INDUSTRY!!!   THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ THIS, MR. MAC, AND I PROMISE YOU I'LL KEEP WATCHING!!!!

Wow, lots of questions. Simple answer: Nikola’s partners (GM, Bosch, CNH and Hanhwa) are not abandoning it, and they did plenty of due diligence.

Sandy Munro will be joined by Bob Galyen on our Tesla Battery Day post mortem. Bob is one of the foremost battery experts in the world.

Thanks for watching!

John McElroy

Any word or rumors on new Peugeot or Opel based Chrysler offerings? Does Ralph Gilles have a portfolio of ideas yet?
Nope, no word on any of this and it would probably be illegal for anyone from FCA and PSA to talk about this until the merger is officially completed.

Way back in the ‘70s Popular Science magazine published an article supported by university research on using hydrogen as an alternative fuel for cars & trucks. Emissions were water vaper and claims of high MPG north of 50 were made. Then the story fizzled. Presumably due to fuel cost.  With petrol price equivalency ranging in today’s cost hydrogen runs $5.50 – $6.25 per gallon equivalent. Still high. But my thinking has lead me to this: If ICE engines today can belt out 30MPG on petrol why go to the expense of fuel cell? Why not convert (it was advertised as simple conversion then) the already paid for ICE to run on hydrogen and skip the fuel cell?  Wouldn’t hydrogen produce a 50 or 60 plus MPG rating? Then why not couple that to a battery hybrid? Would that not produce a less expensive vehicle to the market and still meet current emissions regulations?
Looooong time fan and viewer listener.
P.S. I still have my treasured signed copy of “Icons and Idiots”
Fuel cells are more efficient at converting hydrogen into energy than ICEs are at converting hydrogen to energy. A Toyota Mirai FCEV delivers 312 miles of range on 5 kilograms of hydrogen. BMW’s experimental Hydrogen 7 with a 6-liter V12 delivered 125 miles on 8 kilograms of hydrogen. One kilogram of hydrogen has roughly the BTU content of one gallon of gasoline.

Admittedly, this is not an apples to apples comparison since the Hydrogen 7 was a converted 7-series and the Mirai was designed from the ground up as a FCEV, but it gives you an idea of the different efficiencies.

Hi, I just read this article about Nikola. Have you heard any rumblings? If true what is GM thinking?

GM put out a statement about the accusations against Nikola:

"GM’s position hasn’t changed. We are fully confident in the value we will create by working together. We stand by the statements we made in announcing the relationship."

How much interest is there in the Chicago Auto Show,  which I believe is in Feb/March, along with the Montreal and Toronto shows.  Smaller shows also in Feb/March.
I would bet there won’t be shows in Canada in 2021.
I’ve been to every show in Toronto since 1969, and i won’t be going next year, if there is one.
I don’t see a viable vaccine, or the effects of one before 2022.
I hope I’m wrong........just saying.
You’re right, we didn’t mention the Chicago show on AAH yesterday. That means there would be four major US auto shows in a row.
I hope you’re wrong about a vaccine too! I think there will be one sooner than that, but there’s a big difference between announcing a vaccine and having enough for everyone.
John McElroy

Gary said the elephant in the room, talking of GM and Nikola getting together,  but really it's more like Dumbo who could fly, but he was a cartoon, like Nikola.
GM thought they were making such a coup when really all they have done is buy the plant that produces the snake oil. It's not worth anything.
You must remember the old Flim-Flam Man, from back in the day, and the more expert you are the easier you are to fool.
You say Nikola is a start up,  but they have been in that mode for 6 years and have produced nothing. No working prototypes, no factories, not even a single 
H2 station, and now they say they will build BEV trucks too, at first, and then later  FCVs.
Their story keeps changing, but what really needs changing is their dirty diaper that is once again full, of the same thing that Trevor Milton is full of.
I don't wish to brag but clearly you must have an inkling of my history with being able to spot a pig in a poke, and predict what the future will really look like, this is clearly one of those times.
Good to hear from Stephanie too, as she is on the ball pretty much.
Stay Well.
This story is far from over. Let’s see what the SEC has to say.

China has the worst air quality, but is the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels & they sold to Saudi Arabia, the world’s largest solar farm (they see the future & it’s not oil).
If you have a cottage off the grid, you can have electric appliances, pumps, & other gizmos that run on electricity, by using green energy- once the initial cost is paid for, your annual cost is FREE.
Remote regions of the world can now have clean/free energy.
You can breath easier- no more dirty oil, gas, propane, or other polluting fuels.

Really enjoy you & Gary and guests' discussions. Think you need to catch-up on Indra's huge casting machines. All the Tesla Y model this year has been built with 2 machines casting a 2 piece rear end saving weight, manpower, robots and variation. Tesla is currently installing a 1 piece casting machine in Fremont; has ordered one for Shanghai and 8 for Berlin. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Elon announce on Battery Day, SEP 22, that they will cast the front assembly also!

Wouldn't it be nice to have a nine passenger base Wagoneer (and Suburban) with the front bench from the Ram with flip down console?
I mean, these were invented for utility.  Not all cowboys jobbers or farmers are independently wealthy.
r work
Yes, it would be nice. Fantastic even. But with customers ready to shell out big bucks for big SUVs, the car companies are not going to miss out on making a $40,000 profit by selling a cheaper one.

Having Mark Del Rosso on AAH was a waste of time.  Right off the bat you asked him about the initial Genesis dealership launch issues – the most interesting topic I could want to hear about – but Mark completely avoided the question.  And you let him get away with the side-step.  But, in fact, every one of his responses felt like self-serving marketing BS.  Autoline is for “car people” and most guests are able to “tell it like it is”, at least to some degree, without harming their employers.  Mark would not.  I like Genesis, and all the Korean brands, BTW.
Bellevue, WA

The side character lines (of the 2021 Odyssey) appear to be better resolved in the tailgate.  The front is simplified and more akin to the Accord.  Same designer?
Its generally more attractive than the previous years of this generation.
Enyac?  Sounds so Slavic.
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The Jeep Easter Egg contest winner was supposed to be announced a month ago, by July 31, 2020. Maybe you could ask your FCA contact why this is taking so long. Have they forgotten about it?
Hi Jon,
Short answer: The winner/design has been selected, but not announced publicly yet. (*A non-disclosure agreement is in place with winner until such time as the brand announces vehicle/Easter Egg within it.)
Because the whole point of Easter Eggs is about discovery, the Jeep brand has elected to keep design a "surprise/delight" as part of a future new Jeep brand vehicle.
Which Jeep vehicle it will be is not yet being revealed, but I think it's safe to say that when the new vehicle is announced, we will point out that the consumer-winning design can be found within it .

Diane - Head of Marketing Communication, FCA

Everyone, and being an English major, it hurts. I hold your shows in high regard, the latest on convergence was very good and thought provoking.
Also I congratulate you for getting wise to Tesla as many others were still not tumbling to the disruption that they represent.
Btw, just a little comment on Trevor Milton, who I will now shut-up about.
From a comment at insideevs who I write for:
Trevor Milkingthem says a lot of dumb stuff. Like when he was asked about the lack of heavy equipment working at the AZ sight, he said: 'tractors are not the most important thing when building a new plant'. I suppose that's true especially when you don't even have the permits to build a factory. But then why rent a few pieces of heavy equipment to just sit there for the day when you do a ground-breaking. Doesn't that seem the least bit odd to anyone? But I guess tractors are not important since he says so. Pay no attention to those non working, rented pieces of equipment they are not the important thing.  

Hello John

Thoroughly enjoy all your shows. I bought an ICE a week ago. I didn't want an EV or Hybrid. Batteries are expensive to buy and it's inconvenient and expensive to dispose of them (I worked for a well known battery company) I live on the 45th parallel where we have extreme cold winters and very high summer temperatures. These 2 factors alone contribute significantly to a huge decrease in range as well as the life of the battery. The charging process is very inconvenient and very expensive when you have to charge an EV away from your home. I think we'll see ICE as the main energy source and EVs, Hybrids, Hydrogen, Natural gas, etc will have their own niche markets.
Bob T.

Good feedback. The Autoline studios are just north of the 42nd parallel and your points about EVs in cold weather are spot on.

You misspoke, not to be a putz, but TSLA is already part of the NASDAQ, you meant the S&P 500. Good show and useful information, especially Gary with all his statistics.
I like the commercial form too, short and sweet.   The ICE is dead car rolling.

Regarding the future of the Automotive Industry, I think that ICEs fueled by Hydrogen and Natural Gas are a better way to go than EVs, because many people, like myself; will not want to move away from the sounds and operating characteristics of driving a ICE-powered vehicle, people would rather pay to visit a fuel station to refuel their vehicles with Hydrogen or Natural Gas, than pay to recharge their vehicles at a charging station; and Hydrogen and Natural Gas-fueled ICEs, provided there are as many Hydrogen and Natural Gas refueling stations as there are currently refueling stations selling Gasoline and Diesel, will have a longer range in-between fillups than EVs will ever have in-between charges.

Intriguing feedback, thanks for sending.

John McElroy

So one simple question for Trevor Milton. He says he will build 700 H2 stations in 7 years to cover the U.S. The first one will be built in 2023 in CA.
Ok that's one, what about the other 699, when will they be built, 125 a year on average at around $25 million a piece, to reach that self imposed goal.
Not happening, no matter how much he claims it will.
The ipo is near it's initial price, investors are fleeing the stock.
Comparing a H2 network to electric charging stations is silly. Electricity is ubiquitous and inexpensive, H2 is almost nonexistent and 15 times the cost of
electricity, and 10 times that of diesel. He is simply lying about on site creation of H2 for next to nothing. In addition there are insurance issues with H2
charging stations, as they have propensity to explode. A number have.
No production, no factories, only a small number of vehicles being built by others.
He's personable, friendly, knowledgeable, but most swindlers are.
Two failed companies in his past, one converting diesel to NG, it failed. The other was an internet commerce company, which also went belly up.
Not a great track record. He is FOS. No one has paid any money for contracts they are stipulated on actual deliveries.
As many red flags as you will see at a Nebraska Cornhuskers game.
And I am not off my rocker.

Hi good day
I started listening to Daily last week and I started listening After Hours & This Week today. 
Love the amazing content.
So after listening TRX on After hours my question is: Why do you think Toyota does not have right-hand-drive Tundra and Tacoma?
Greetings from Jamaica, keep up the informative content.
Best Regards,

Great to hear from a viewer in Jamaica!

Toyota makes right hand steer versions of the Hilux pickup truck. Though the Tacoma is a similar size, it shares little with that truck and is only sold in the North American market. The same goes for the Tundra. It is primarily sold in the Americas, and Toyota doesn’t see much demand for it in markets that use right hand steering.

John McElroy

Dear Sean McElroy,
This (Friday) morning as usual I watched your Autoline Daily report with interest. I was disappointed when you presented what seemed to me to be an anti-Trump and (I believe inadvertently) anti-police slant to the story about Trump vs. Goodyear. You selected and presented only some of the facts then did a commentary/summation noting the downside of President Trump chasing customers away from Goodyear, a US-owned manufacturer. Please hear my earnest request. In today's negative and chaotic political climate I had sought occasional refuge in my passion for sports and cars. Sports became politicized long ago and now, sadly, this is also happening to my car hobby in the automotive press, especially Motor Trend (which I no longer read). Please disinfect your reporting of political commentary. We, your viewers, will consult our favorite news sources and draw our own conclusions about the facts. I am at a loss to grasp why more and more for-profit companies are choosing to intentionally offend half their customers.
While Goodyear's CEO has now stated that the particular slide in the presentation was not produced by Goodyear's home office and was put together by an employee at the training site, that slide in the presentation was biased. That slide cherry picked which political wear is acceptable. Clearly THAT bias is what President Trump was reacting to; not a ban on all political speech, which is policy in many places and about which I have not seen President Trump comment.
In addition to the company telling employees that MAGA wear is unacceptable, the now-infamous slide categorized Black Lives Matter attire as acceptable. Two of the three women who started BLM are self-described Marxists who proudly declare they are pushing Marx's ideas on our constitutional republic. Black Lives Matter is also responsible for a lot of violence and bloodshed, including that of our brave police officers, in black neighborhoods that are burning, because of Black Lives Matter, as you read this. Black Lives Matter is political and violent but according to the training slide shown to some Good Year employees is more acceptable to support than our duly elected president. Or our police officers.
That is an outrage worth reporting. 
As you know, that training slide also despicably stated that Blue Lives Matter wear is not acceptable. Blue Lives Matter is only concerned with prosecuting those who murder our LEOs--it is far less political than Black Lives Matter. Many LEOs--regardless of their race--risk their lives every day to protect residents in black neighborhoods. My white police officer son has been among them.
 I understand you have limited time for each story but to omit the chief facts of the matter then slight the president and overlook disrespect to our police officers isn't reporting of which I would be proud.
I wonder how many other car enthusiasts--in my experience a majority of them Trump supporters--also feel let down by your report.
Police dad in Maryland

Thanks for your thoughtful letter.

We agree that Goodyear stumbled over this issue. But we also think the President should never have called for a boycott of the company. As the last US-owned OEM tire company, this is a big mistake. We also criticized the President when he untruthfully claimed that he had to force General Motors to make ventilators.

We will unabashedly defend the auto industry no matter who attacks it, as long as we think their attacks are unmerited. This industry is the backbone of the economy and whoever unfairly attacks it brings us all down.

John McElroy

John and gang, 
I didn't see AAH today, but heard part of it streaming from my phone on the way to an R/C flying field.  The field is kind of out of town, in the middle of nowhere, so my streaming was intermittent, but I heard you ask my question about the TRX making money.  It sounded like they are very convinced that it will make money, even with all of the special stuff they did.  Maybe these type vehicles sell in much greater volume than I would have expected.  I'll play the part of AAH I missed later.  
The guy at the end must have seen something a lot different regarding the upcoming Maverick than I found when googling it.  What I found was clearly a "lifestyle" vehicle, a 4 door, with a very short bed, maybe 4 feet.  Your guest was describing an actual work truck.   
Maybe it was mentioned, and I missed it, but isn't the international Ranger completely different from the one sold in the U.S.?  It would definitely have multiple powertrains available, and be available in more body styles, but I suspect it is narrower too, though I could be wrong.  In any case, I'm sure the right hand drive ones would be built in the regular factories, with the very volume, with the UK, Australia, probably Japan, and other RHD markets.
Anyway, thanks for a good show.  I'll catch the part I missed soon.
Kit Gerhart

When you look at the prices they’re charging ($70,000 and up) it’s hard to believe the TRX could lose money.

You’re right about that small Ford pickup, it will be a lifestyle truck, not a “work” truck. Ford hopes to price it under $20,000 and it will actually be the entry level vehicle for the brand.

The U.S. Ranger has the same styling as the international version, but it was upgraded to meet US crash standards, improve body fits and gaps, and to meet the needs of customers who use it for fun and commuting, not just for work.

John McElroy

I have just been watching Autoline After Hours.  I can confirm that the Ford Ranger is built in right hand drive in Thailand, from where it is exported to Australia and New Zealand among a number of markets.  The current model was mostly designed and developed in Australia.  It was on the market outside the USA for years before Ford federalised it and built it in and for the North American market.
Warwick Rex Dundas

Thanks for all the info. We know the Autoline audience is extremely well informed!

John McElroy

So you had Trevor Milton of Nikola on, who I consider more of a Snake Oil salesman than anything else, but still no Tesla representative, arguably the premier auto maker of our time, certainly in the field of BEVs.
Let's compare what the two companies have done.It's simple since Nikola has done nothing. No production, no factory, just promises.
Let's look at the progress of their two factories one in TX for Tesla which is going great guns, and the other of Nikola in Coolidge AZ where you
have a place as empty as a gun range on a Sunday morning. Everyone's at services, which should soon be held for Nikola as they are DOA..
Well of course Nikola has nothing tangible to show. It's a startup. Let's give it a couple of years and compare it to where Tesla was two years into it's business plan.

John McElroy


1. Do you have to manufacture an EV or just sell it to get EV credits? If Mini sold the Kandi K27 (which kind of looks live the original Mini)could Mini get those credits?

2. I've always liked the Morgan 3 wheeler, but the $50K price tag has always kept me away. I noticed that the Can-Am Ryker retails for less than $10K and Polaris also makes 3 wheelers.

Do you know if Can-Am or Polaris plan on making anything like the Morgan 3 wheeler? Looks like it would be a profitable (if small) new model line.

Kevin Anderson

Good question about the EVs. Our understanding is that an OEM only has to sell EVs to get the credits. It does not necessarily have to make them.

Let’s see if the Kandi cars can pass US crash tests.

We haven’t heard anything about Polaris or Can-Am making something like the Morgan 3-wheeler. Their open-cockpit 3-wheelers are little more than motorcycles.

Did you know that there aren’t any crash standards for 3-wheel vehicles? Whenever you see the manufacturer of a 3-wheel vehicle claim that it meets all safety standards, what they’re referring to is that it has headlamps, taillights, rearview mirrors and turn signals.

John McElroy

Hi Sean and John,
Seldom miss catching Autoline Daily, as it has become a side dish of my lunch each day.
I live in Northville and received this email from DTE this morning on EV Charger locations throughout MI.  If you have not seen this before, thought it might be of interest.
I never really thought of it, but makes sense that all Electric Companies throughout NA should have these locations marked through permitting.  What each company then does with the data is probably quite different across the country.
Best Regards,

Thanks for sending this. It’s amazing that electric utilities aren’t being more proactive in promoting EVs—the razor blades for their razors!

John McElroy

Why hydrogen powered garbage trucks?
My town of Longmont CO recently converted all their garbage trucks to operate on methane gas that is sourced from the city sewage processing facility. It doesn't get much more efficient than that.
It doesn’t get much greener than sourcing methane from garbage dumps and every municipality has one.

Thanks for your input!

John McElroy

Hello Ladies and Gents.
Have been a long time viewer of all things Autoline. (started watching when the weekly show was on the Speed Channel and our local PBS station in the Boston,MA area)
My question is; Why don't you post or say the date during your intro of AD anymore.? Or any of the shows for that matter.
I don't get to watch everyday but when I do watch or listen to catch up to my backlogged shows it would be much nicer to hear " This is Autoline Daily for August 11th, 2020, as an example.
When I look at the list of previous shows I cannot tell when they were shown either. They are listed by the month, not the Day.
Can always continue to integrate that statement into your  show for "The Global Automotive Industry".
If you could take this into consideration it would be greatly appreciated. I hope I'm not THE only person to ever comment on this.
Thanks again,

Thanks much for your feedback. We eliminated announcing the date some time ago. The feedback we got from viewers is they like getting directly to the news. Also, all our shows, whether on our website or YouTube channel have the date they aired listed below them. The same is true for the shows in our archives.

If I’m looking for a show that we did I’ll use the search bar on our website, or even just search for it on Google.

Hope this helps,
John McElroy

Hi Sean, John and Gary,

My name is Dave,  I go by davearn online save my Anonymity. I saw your video of a shop worker drawing templates 

on the floor to program sensors for a vehicle in Autoline video. It came to my mind that they should have some

lasers perhaps from the ceiling, the lasers would shine down on the floor so as to programmed with a computer

for each type of car and the changes made to it. If they don't already have that; it could save man hours and 

could sell a lot of machines that could do that type of job for shops.   

Dave A.

It sounds like you need to build a prototype and pitch these guys on your idea!

John McElroy

Update on my SoCal to OKC trip:
Written from perspective that SoCal is home base.
The BOLT is not an adequate ICE replacement.  Within one charging infrastructure it is fine.  But crossing between ‘owners’ of a network of stations (Oklahoma), is sketchy.  Saturation levels are drastically different.  90% of my juice came from EA in the WalMart parking lots.  Very satisfied, but that only got me to Albuquerque.  Downhill from there!  Pun intended. . . 
New Mexico was the worst.  Used a JuiceNet portable and an RV park 50A plug, both ways. It worked, but I planned this trip for 6 weeks.  Who’s going to do that?
Biggest impact over 2500 miles during Thanksgiving. 1. Wind  2.  Temp.  3. Elevation (and there was a bunch of it)  Flagstaff is beautiful!
Assumption:  The alternative to my experience above, used for comparison = 
1. At least one trip (during ownership) 
2. from your home in an ICE vehicle that 
3. requires at least one refueling, “out of your area” = equals the range avail in one tank of gas for that car.  Since most folks don’t use all avail gas before they fill up, implication is 2 refuels would be required, “out of the area”.
For that purpose, the (non-Tesla) EV can’t compete, yet!
However, I’m so sold on this EV.  I’m a torque lover, not so much about the planet as it is simple fun.  I’ve seen jaws drop . . .  I have an ICE 4Runner as well.  Old 4.0L V-6 1GR-FE — it’ll pull a house!  2015 30K and so pristine!  Dare you to pop the ‘bonnet’!  Didn’t even tint the windows.  
There’s a place out here called West Coast EVs.  They are close by and I need to go visit.  They don’t care much about the ‘statements/egos’ of driving an EV.  They like torque too . . . And do modifications for the fun.  Not too many folks around to ‘Congregate’ with who think that way.  Bonneville  Baby!
The rebates were a good deal though.  I noted that first and then researched the car.  Gotta be careful, I ALMOST MISSED a GREAT CAR - too focused on the $$ instead of the FUN!  Didn’t know that kind of fun could be had at that price point - fresh off the line.  And I think there are millions of others just like me that still haven’t figured it out yet.  
Got lots of data (raw) I haven’t made into a presentation (spreadsheet) yet.  The guessing software for this car was very good.  Almost ‘idiot proof’!  Imagine that? 

Dear Autoline Crew,
 This is Matthew Gamcsik (Gam-sick) and I wanted to send you guys an article that you may or may have not come across over the past couple days. There is a Chinese company called Kandi Technologies and they are going to be introducing two small electric vehicles in the United States. Here is the link from TechCrunch that shines more light on the subject
Enjoy the article and take care.
 Matthew Gamcsik

Hi John ....
Mary Barra is too intelligent to go through the hassle of renaming GM in my opinion.  I loved Rick Wagoner, but he was forever trying things to boost the stock, none of which worked:  get rid of Oldsmobile .... divest GMAC ... etc etc.    It's a fools errand in my opinion ... and as one of your viewers wrote would only serve to alienate millions of people already familiar with the GM name. 
Another point, which GM has either struggled with ... or benefited from is "confusion" over the brand and brands, plural.  Remember a few years ago when all GM vehicles had to have the "GM bud" on the door or front fender near the rocker??  Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac are the brands ... GM is, and always has been secondary in my opinion.  Interestingly one could argue that Fisher Body achieved a sort of brand status back in the 50's and 60's ... but no more. 
As far as EV's go ... I'm a big time EV skeptic (my kids think me a "knuckle dragger").  I studied Mech Engineering at GMI (50 years ago) ... in an Engines class one afternoon we discussed electric propulsion.  It's all about energy density. Given the 20X or so energy advantage in an equivalent weight/size of fossil fuel, as well as storage and transportability of fossil fuels, it's no contest.  There's a reason we've had ICE technology for the last 100 years.  Unless there is a breakthrough in battery technology (Li-ion is NOT a breakthrough) EV's will never be more than a footnote due to higher cost .... limited range .... etc.  
All this headlong rush to EV's astonishes me, however, Bob Lutz explained it last October in one of your AAH episodes where he pointed out that given fuel economy targets, if an auto company misses the target, but had it in their plan, then a "slap on the hand" and a fine.  HOWEVER, if meeting the standard isn't in the plan, then it's jail time.  Given Obama's unrealistic targets ... EV's were the only way to reasonably have a "plan". 
Mary can create an EV Division.  Remember "e-GM"??  In my opinion an EV Division will go nowhere. Splat!!  Best to keep EV's within the Divisions.  I think leading with Cadillac is smart ... . given the higher prices of EV's .... and their "halo" value (though there's no "halo" in them for me). 
Enough of my "rant". 
Keep up the GREAT work with Autoline Daily ... AAH ... and the weekly show.  You do GREAT work!!
Jim (retired from GM)
formerly of Grosse Pointe, MI ... now Spokane, WA

Sorry, I’m catching up on emails and wanted to drop you a note thanking you for your letter.

We really like getting input from our viewers, especially those who work or worked in the industry.

John McElroy

Hi John,
It's sad that COVID-19 hit just around the time I suggested an AAH show with your Citroen DS which I really was interested in seeing.
I hope that we can get a handle on this virus so things can return to somewhat normal and you can bring your DS into the studio for all to see.
That would have made for one great show.
Take Care and Stay Safe.       
Dale Leonard,Cleveland,Ohio

Your idea for the show is a good one and we’ll make it happen once this covid pandemic cools down.

John McElroy

Hello Autoline,
Maybe Ford could make the United States Postal Service's Next Generation Delivery Vehicle (NGDV) a "halo" product by making it a little better than needed.
They could dedicate some marketing funds for the additional costs.
A win-win for Ford and the USPS?
Bob in upper Minnesota

The US Post Office will soon choose the next generation post office truck and Ford (with Oshkosh) is a finalist. But the USPS will be interested in getting the cheapest price it can.

Ford GT-90 another Management success ?
what happened ?
might make a nice mention.

Thanks for bringing it up, I had completely forgotten about that car!

John McElroy

Hi John and Sean,
I saw some news about Saleen Automotive and thought that you might be interested.  It's about IP theft in China during the pandemic.   Hopefully the same doesn't happen to Tesla and other American firms.
Best Regards,

It’s entirely possible the Chinese city of Rugao ripped off Steve Saleen. But throughout his career he’s never been far away from a lawsuit and this isn’t the first time he lost control of a company he started.

We’ve heard his side of this story, I wonder what his business partners in Rugao have to say?

John McElroy

You guys do a great job. Always on the mark with topics of interest. I try not to miss any of your broadcasts.
I've searched for sources of depreciation data for 10 year and newer vehicles and haven't been able to find anything that supports my interest.
I would like to be able to determine the depreciation curve on various auto models over time. 
For example, I have a 2017 Corvette Grand Sport. 
I knew when I bought it that it would lose value as soon as I drove it off of the lot. 
Now I'm interested in determining the right time to sell. I know it won't be worth any more in the near future (or probably my lifetime) than it is today. But I'd like to make a more educated decision based on how much it's going to depreciate over the next  few years. I don't think there are projection curves, but I could use the history of previous models to make a guesstimate.
Appreciate any help you can provide in pointing me to a good resource.
Thanks, and keep up the entertaining and educational communications.

We’ve been wracking our brains but we don’t know anyone who has a database with this kind of info.

Depreciation depends heavily on the model and condition of a car. We’d suggest you contact outlets or people who specialize in Corvettes. Obviously, another way to determine market value is to look at what other Grand Sports are going for.

John McElroy

When someone hears, tastes, smells, feels, or sees something very disgusting, awful, or terrible, they usually say, "ick" or something like that that shows great displeasure. All those Cadillac names will sound disgusting.

Volume makers like Ford need halo models brand buyers can identify with. Ford were once great at doing this with - in Europe at least Capri, Escorts Mexico & RS models, Ford GT70, RS200 and a racing and rallying programme around the world.
Europe's head of Ford motorsport in 70s Stuart Turner pulled off a masterstroke gifting  all the advertising space on each of their 3 factory Escort entries on the 1970 World cup rally London to Mexico 12,000 mile event over 4 weeks to the 3 main UK national newspapers in return Ford gained 3 full broadsheet pages of reports on 'their' car every day - publicity and consequent sales Ford could never have bought .
Seems to me this spirit to make the brand something to aspire to is currently missing. Pick ups are for builders and SUVs for people who have given up on life. Where are the exciting sports coupes and grand touring cars with style, elegance, beauty and promise of excitement and a higher lifestyle for people to aim for?
Kind Regards


Hello Autoline,
I was out of town, so I missed your segment regarding paddle shifters until today.  You asked and I'm sharing; I use the paddle shifters in my 2020 Mustang GT every time I drive.  I primarily use them for downshifting when approaching a slower vehicle so I don't have to uses the brakes.  I also use them before I intend to pass when I'm on the freeway so I'm in a lower gear.
M i c h a e l 

Good to see you’re putting those paddle shifters to work. Of course, by owning a Mustang GT you’re obviously an enthusiast, so we expect that of you!

John McElroy

Hello John

i just came across this story.
The auto industry is in for a big shakeout.

Bob T

We agree, it’s going to take years for the auto industry to recover from this pandemic. And it’s entirely likely that some OEMs and suppliers won’t come out the other side.

John McElroy

I was saddened to not hear anything on auto line daily about the Nikola plant groundbreaking July 23rd in Coolidge, Arizona. I personally feel that hydrogen fuel is our best prospect for sustainable long range transportation. Electric is great for short trips around town. My Chevy Volt is the best all around vehicle I have owned. If it only had a fuel cell, it would be perfect :-).

Best Regards,

Queen Creek, Arizona
We have covered Nikola extensively. If you haven’t seen our Autoline After Hours with Trevor Milton you ought to check it out.
We decided that the groundbreaking was not important enough to cover in Autoline Daily, since there was other news we considered more important. (BTW, we never cover groundbreakings)
Worry not, we will provide plenty of continuing coverage of Nikola, and when that plant actually opens and starts making trucks, we’ll cover it then.

John McElroy

Paddle shifters are on my 2016 Pilot and I have never had a reason or desire to use them. In fact, I asked the salesman what on earth Honda was thinking. An example of unnecessary equipment.
We totally agree. On a model such as the Pilot they are not needed.

John McElroy

I never do not use paddle shifters (I ALWAYS use them). On my Q60 Red Sport, I immediately shift to manual mode and leave it there for the duration of my drive. When I've had cars with no paddles, but with manual mode, I ALWAYS use manual mode and shift with the stick.

Thanks for the feedback. We’ve been pleasantly surprised to see how many Autoline viewers use their paddle shifters.

Of course, so many of our viewers are gearheads we shouldn’t have been surprised at all.

John McElroy

Hi John,
I enjoyed Autoline This week #2420 regarding the new Ford Bronco. It was mentioned that the first Bronco was introduced in 1965. If my memory serves me correctly, it was almost a direct copy of the International Harvester Scout introduced in 1961.
You have said that Jeep has had this segment of the market all to itself for a long time. I'm not sure of exact dates, but back in the 1970s and/or '80s wasn't it Dodge trucks that invented the extended Cab? Then it seemed to disappear and Ford F-150 sold an extended cab for many years before Silverado and Sierra built an extended cab. And Ford allowed GM to sell the Suburban for a long time before building the Expedition.
It seems that some good ideas are successful one company for a long time before others join in. Is this because of patent infringement and/or licensing problems or does it take that long before the market grows enough to accommodate more manufacturers?

Sometimes automakers are copycats and follow hot on the heels of market leaders. Sometimes they’re prideful and refuse to admit a competitor has beaten them to a market segment.

Patents and licensing are not the issue. It’s the mindset of the corporate leadership.

John McElroy

Hi John'
   Since most countries (except the US) are going to ban gas/diesel vehicles by 2035 - Norway by 2025- Ireland, the Netherlands, China, & India by 2030), the ICE vehicle is going to join the dinosaurs, but why are we fighting reality?
 Norway already has 77% of new cars on their roads are EVs- we don't even have 2%
Norway has such high EV penetration because, though taxation, they’ve made it a lot cheaper to buy an EV than an ICE. Countries that offer big subsidies see good EV sales, but those sales plummet the instant those subsidies are reduced, as we’ve seen in China and Denmark.
Also, you overstate the ban on ICEs. There are plenty of declarations to ban ICEs, but no laws are yet in place.
Personally I’d rather see a strict limit on life-cycle GHG emissions from cars, including their manufacturing, usage and recycling. That would get us closer to true sustainability than a ban on piston engines would.

Count me in the use them (paddle shifters) every day column. Had them on my 2014 Honda Cross-Tour and have them on my 2014 MB E350 4Matic coupe. Have some twisty hilly roads and they really add to the fun. And for me driving is fun. Will be 85 years old in August. Don’t intend to grow up at this stage of my life.

Hello Mr. McELroy, How Are You Sir??? And Gary??? And IT'S NICE TO SEE SEAN BACK!!!!    Saw you on "After Hours" Show #517 this week; the most important part to me was the " warm-up" part. I was SHOCKED, AND AS WHEELER DEALERS MIKE BREWER WOULD SAY "GOBSMACKED" when you casually mentioned you had gone to visit former Volkswagen official Oliver Schmidt, who has been imprisoned in a U.S. Jail for several years for his role in the VW Dieselgate Emissions Scandal!!! You won't remember this, but I wrote you several years ago, back when Mr. Schmidt was sentanced, suggesting to you that you should interview him in jail, as I thought there might be a good "tell all" book in his sad story ( I still think he was "Scapgoated" by his VW superiors who happily served him up to the Feds, or he took a bullet for them for a big payday later)  And you said you've seen him 4 times there. I have to tell you I'm very impressed and proud of you for doing that!!! I went to a prison once myself, oddly enough it was a women's prison ( and NO, I wasn't visiting my mother there!!!) so I can empathize with you; it's a very intimidating and humiliating kind of experience, I actually felt like I was guilty of some crime while I was there, so good for you!!! TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T GET TO DO YOUR SHOW THERE!!! I'm sure a lot of the cons in there that are car guys would have liked it too, kinda like Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison!!! Anyway, I'll keep watching to see if anything ever comes from your "visits" 
P.S. : The end of this month will mark the 75th anniversary of the sinking of the U.S.S. INDIANAPOLIS, and the tragic loss of lives before rescue, the largest loss of lives from any single U.S.Navy ship at sea in WW2 ( The Arizona lost more, but was not at sea, moored in Pearl Harbor at the time) BUT THEY DELIVERED THE BOMB!!!!   

Thanks so much for your letter. I truly enjoyed reading it.

There is no question that Oliver was way down the chain of command at VW and the real culprits in Dieselgate have not yet come to justice. But it will happen.

I’m quite familiar with the story of the USS Indianapolis and it’s a haunting one.

John McElroy

Ford should also come out with a new Full-Size Bronco utilizing the Frame from the Regular Cab, 5 1/2 Foot Bed, 4-Wheel-Drive F-150.
Furthermore, Ford should also honor the history of the Ford Broncos converted by Centurion industries of White Pigeon, Michigan into Suburban-type vehicles, some of which were built on not an F-250, but an F-350 Single-Rear-Wheel or Dual-Rear-Wheel chassis. These are the real precursor to the Expedition, Lincoln Navigator, and Ford Excursion.
Here is the link to a fan website about these Full-Size Broncos converted by Centurion Industries:

Sincerely Yours,
If the Bronco models that Ford is launching are successful they will want to expand the model line. A full size Bronco as you describe would be a perfect addition.

Thanks for the link to Centurion Industries, they’ve done impressive work.

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