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Perhaps you' all might dive a little deeper into this article about "Unintended Acceleration".
I appreciate a desire to avoid becoming a Tesla 'commercial' with free media about my favorite company (and ride.) Figuring out a fair balance between willful silence and 'rabid advocacy' is not trivial. That discussion alone would be a good discussion: 'What is a fair policy between news and pro or anti advocacy?'
Bob Wilson

Thanks for sending the link, but it only focuses on Tesla. Here’s additional info it does not cover:

Sudden Unintended Acceleration is an issue that only appeared when automatic transmissions because widely popular. And studies show that SUA mostly occurs with older drivers, and mostly women at that. No one has been able to prove that SUA is the fault of the car, unless they jerry-rigged the vehicle to fail like 60 Minutes did with an Audi back in 1986 and like ABC News did with a Toyota in 2009.

Amazingly SUA has never been reported outside of the United States or with any vehicle equipped with a manual transmission. (Shhh. The plaintiff attorneys don’t want anyone to know this.)

So not only does SUA not happen with Tesla’s, it doesn’t happen with any other vehicle. As NHTSA discovered when it investigated Audi 34 years ago, the problem is what it calls “pedal misapplication.” In other words, drivers are mashing the accelerator pedal, not the brake pedal.

I’m so glad that Tesla has been accused of SUA because it has the data to prove its cars are not at fault. Maybe that will bring these nuisance lawsuits to a close.

John McElroy

Hi John,
This video summarizes the Tesla story quite well.
Maybe you could do a piece on Corporate (legacy) automakers and why they may never catch Tesla.
I grew up in Flint in the 50's and 60's and everybody (including my dad) worked for G.M. 
I could see then they were flawed but I didn't know what the answer was. I tried to get in at GMI but was told I was not management material.
I realize you are between a rock and a hard place with a story like this and your sponsors. Maybe you can find a way.
Grants Pass, Oregon

First off, our sponsors have never complained about any of our coverage, nor have they ever told us what they want us to cover. They like the breadth of coverage that Autoline provides.

Your idea of why traditional corporations have a hard time competing with startups is a good one. We’ll have to find some experts who can talk about that.

John McElroy

Hi John,

One further question after reading the AG dismissal agreement with Tesla and watching your report is exactly how the title process will be handled. I cc'd Henry to get his experience from a delivery in Cleveland compared to mine in Florida.

In my case I ordered my Model 3, made my deposit and signed initial papers at the Tesla showroom in Sarasota. I signed the final delivery papers and received the vehicle in Tampa. Tesla issued a Florida temporary tag but never titled the car in Florida. I drove back to Michigan and when I went to the Michigan Secretary of State I was told I needed  title or certificate of origin. After some calls and emails to Tesla, I was sent the Certificate of Origin (attached) from Cleveland. So, whether that qualifies as transfer of title outside the state under this agreement is unclear to me.

Henry might relate how his title was handled.

I probably wouldn't walk across the street for any other car, but this shows the lengths buyers like me will go to buy a Tesla. I'm on standby for my Model Y now :)


Great feedback, thanks for sharing.

John McElroy

Hello autoline crew. Today you reported how Jeep sales are on the decline, despite being the hottest brand in the hottest segment. Do you think this could the companies build quality and reliable issues coming back to haunt it? While we are on the topic, can anybody provide some good reasons why extra steps have not been taken up correct these issues? After all Jeep is FCA’s cash cow!  Eventually word of my mouth my overtake the image of independence the brand works so hard to cultivate.


Let's see what Jeep says about the drop in sales.

Thanks for your insights. We'll publish your letter so others can read it too.

John McElroy

The new grill on the Roxor has a strong resemblance to the Toyota Landcruiser of the late 70’s and the logo reminds me or the logo used on the Oldsmobile autos before the GM brand was cancelled.
Yakima, WA

Hello Autoline,

Love the show! I never miss a post. 
I was reading the details of Cadillac’s Super Cruse. Did you know a membership to Onstar is required to use Super Curse? From what I can gather Super Cruse does not need Onstar to function.  How is it legal for a car company to require a subscription to use hardware on their car?


* Originally sent Dec. 28th, 2019 *

Just wanted to let you know I haven’t forgotten you.

I sent an email to Cadillac public relations inquiring about Super Cruise and OnStar. They never responded.

I’ll have to try and dig up an answer on my own. If I get one, I’ll let you know.

John McElroy

Noticed that your latest posting included a review of the 2020 Elantra.  I purchased a 2020 Elantra trim level Value Edition earlier this year.  In comparison to the competition it had a lot of features for the money.  This model has the 2.0 liter engine with a new transmission.  After driving it for only a short time I discovered that the standard cruise control (not the adaptive version) had a major fault.  In the smart and normal driving modes selecting cruise causes the transmission to downshift from the gear selected by the throttle control schedule. For example, at a steady speed of 55mph engine rpm jumps from 1500rpm to 2000rpm when cruise mode is entered.  Rpm remains at this level even though the engine load is not increased by an up grade or other conditions.  By using the gear selection function on the transmission I was able to determine that the cruise control was forcing a gear change from 8th gear to 6th gear for no apparent reason.  I pointed this out to my dealer and they confirmed that all their Elantras of the same trim level operated the same way.  I also contacted Hyundai corporate and they responded that this was normal operation.  They also said that they have had only one other customer that has reported this fault.  At this point they do not plan to correct the problem.  I did some more testing and was able to determine that this results in about a 10% reduction in fuel economy when compared to throttle operation.  I also reported this in a survey to Hyundai engineers and have sent a complaint to the EPA.  I am very disappointed that Hyundai refuses to accept the fact that this is not the way a normal cruise control should function and take some action to correct the situation.
Best Regards,

Thanks for your excellent feedback. We really appreciate it when viewers make this kind of detailed observations.

The model we drove had the adaptive cruise control and we never noticed this problem.

We find it strange that Hyundai gave you the run around. Maybe your letter to the EPA will generate more response.

All the best,
John McElroy

Sandy Munro talking about the advantages of using stainless steel for the Tesla Cybertruck got me thinking. How feasible would it be for Tesla to start making Model S's in unpainted stainless?  There probably would be many current Model S owners who would be willing to spring for a new stainless one, ala DeLorean. That would be a way to get more life out of the S's design and manufacture. And Tesla's paint booth is probably getting towards needing an upgrade.


Switching the Model S to stainless would entail a lot of work. It probably would require new or re-worked stamping dies because stainless has different spring back than aluminum. Since Tesla seems to have no interest in updating the S or X, except for OTA updates, it’s unlikely that it would make that kind of investment.

John McElroy

Hello John,
I assume you are the contact person regarding your very excellent show.
Could you please start airing more shows with Sandy Monroe where you let him run with a topic without other members of the round table side tracking and interrupting his stream of thoughts.  
I don't know how old Mr. Monroe is, but I would like to think he will live as long as Dr. Deming did.  If he is stumbling from time to time have him assisted by someone from his staff at Monroe and Associates to clarify a point he is making not random thoughts from other member of the round table.
I dread the day of hearing about the late Sandy Monroe and all the questions that he never had a chance to answer or opine on.

Sandy is a great guest and we’ll have him back on in the future.

But we’re going to stick to our format.

John McElroy

Hi John,
I most recently saw your after hours show regarding the TESLA 3 loving gear head. I can't see the show in real time so cannot comment quickly, but could you please broach the subject of EV tire wear among your panel of pundits? It seems to be a real problem that owners are finding out about the hard and expensive way. It would also appear that owners are exchanging fuel usage for tire replacement and I dare say that it takes quite a bit of fossil fuel and energy to produce a tire! Then after it's premature useful service life, it must be collected and recycled into something else requiring even more energy! 
What I gleaned from that episode of your show is that proponents of EVs have never owned one and endured the many nuisances and pitfalls (especially in but not limited to cold climates):
- 50% battery degradation below 20F ambient temperature
- 40% driving range degradation driving in the rain
-  $2000 dollars to rewire your house for 240V for the supercharger to plug in and fast charge at home (my home in London had 240V in the garage so nyah!)
- massive range degradation over 70mph to the point the EV will continually be telling you to slow down to make it to the next charger
- long lines of EV drivers waiting for charging stalls on holiday weekends (as witnessed in California over Turkey Day weekend apparently) 
- considerable range degradation in hot weather due to huge power demand load AC climate control presents
- only 80% of battery rating is usable in real world conditions due to charging duration practicality and battery life considerations
So, if you look forward to being stranded on the side of the road out of power, "freezing your gonads off" in the winter, "sweating like a pig" in the summer, loitering waiting for a charger and/or while charging, puttin' along on a superhighway to be able to make it to a charger while other vehicles blast by, puttin' along in the rain because the resistance of rain and standing water causes 40% less range - then EV life is for you!!!!
So far, it would seem that the perceived reduction in tail pipe emissions is offset by increased pollution elsewhere. The vehicles are insanely heavy and therefore reflects this trait in tire wear. During accelerating, braking, turning, cornering and both the jounce and rebound suspension actions, tire wear exceeds that of a substantially lighter ICE vehicle. It takes quite a bit of (fossil fuel) oil and energy to produce a tire, those that don't have a long service life just add to accelerated pollution. But the EV fan boys only look at gasoline and ignore everything else including the larger carbon footprint an EV starts out with while sitting in the new car showroom:
"Electric cars are heavy, typically much heavier for their size than a comparable gas- or diesel-powered car; this can also accelerate wear and hurt handling..."
"A standard tire can wear 30 percent quicker on an EV than on an internal-combustion vehicle, so putting more rubber on the road with a tighter tread pattern and using a harder-wearing rubber compound..."
(hmm, harder-wearing rubber compound - just what you need in cold weather climates!)


Thanks for your feedback. We’ve actually discussed tire wear problems with EVs in other shows. One major tire manufacturer which will go un-named declined to supply tires to Tesla for this very reason, and it only agreed to supply GM for Bolt tires once GM agreed to an algorithm change that would reduce tire wear. The problem is not just the weight of the batteries, it’s also the instant torque from the electric motor.

John McElroy

I started watching autoline years ago on PBS. I wanted to write to tell you thanks for all the great content you've provided over the years. I liked cars but I was even more fascinated with the industry and loved the information you provided.
I live in Tampa Florida now but was born and raised in the Detroit area. I worked for a steel supplier to Automotive for many years. Enjoy watching your insights on where you see the industry going in the future.
I think the world owes a big thank you to autoline for introducing us to Sandy Munro! I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when he described Dr. Demmings discussing Red Polling while he was standing right there- bahahaha!! 
So many great interviews, keep up the great work! If you ever need a remote assistant in the Tampa Florida area,  please please email me! Haha
Thank you,
Kreg Durham 

Thanks for the great feedback. The crew here at Autoline puts in a lot of heavy duty work to make our shows as informative and professional as possible, and it’s always good to hear that this effort is paying off.

Also, be sure to tune in to Autoline After Hours this afternoon at 3pm eastern time as Mr. Munro makes another of his spectacular appearances!

John McElroy

I am the person who had some very strong negative comments in a previous message to you regarding the use of the Mustang name for the Mach-E.  While I still feel strongly that using the Mach1 name would have been a huge mistake, I now feel completely different about the use of the Mustang name for this vehicle. As a long time multiple Mustang owner I initially decided to do some research to justify my anger. In doing so, however, I have been pleasantly surprised. As a Mustang ONLY owner any new vehicle I would consider in the future would have to check some boxes for me to consider it. I discovered that the Mach-E GT will have 459 hp and 610 tq, and with AWD pretty much tear up my 2015 Mustang GT (Box checked). I can drive it in the snow without fear. (Important box checked). Well it will not sound like a Mustang. Then I watched a video Ford produced inside the cabin in ‘unbridled’ mode and there was that sound. (Box checked). Well the interior will not be sporty, then I looked up the seating color samples  and saw the bronze accents on the GT sport seats (Box checked). Grabber Blue (metallic no less) (Box checked).  20 inch forged wheels, red painted brake calipers (Need I go on). Then I watched Autoline After Hours and other videos of the design team carefully considering what ‘I’ would like in a vehicle with the Mustang name. I’d say they nailed it. I also realize that for a business case to keep the Mustang coupe in these changing times the portfolio MUST expand. I now totally embrace the Mustang Mach-E and the hard work that went into developing this vehicle.
Joe G

Thanks for your letter. I suspect there are a lot of other people who reacted negatively to this car being called a Mustang, but later changed their minds. It was a very controversial decision within Ford, too.
As with any car, the proof of the pudding is in driving it. Though I’ve only had a chance to ride in the car, not drive it, my initial impressions are really positive. But I’ll need some real soak time in the Mach E to form a final opinion.

John McElroy

Hey John,
Happy New Year...I would just like to know as to why Mayberrian males in the auto industry is giving Marry Barra a pass just because she is a female. Now I have every right to say something about this because we bailed out GM with our tax dollars.But it seems that you and others have the luxury to pay all these taxes for a socialist feminist female running GM to the ground.I hear all types of mechanics sharing their issues with GM vehicles.So I ask again John,would you like to pay more in taxes? If you support socialism then more than likely you will pay more in taxes.I will say that I will hold Mary to her word that she will not use our hard earned tax dollars.I think that there is in need of a change at GM's management.Also U.A.W. needs to be held accountable for assembly because this will further hurt GM's viability.Also John do you think that Mary Barra is a great C.E.O. helping to lose $3 billion dollars in cash flow yet missed out on sales? I think that a kid from elementary school can do better job maintaining the company.I also disagree with John Lutz's position on Mary Barra being a great CEO...A foreign car company PSA does a better job maintaining Opel/Vauxhall than GM? Time for a change.

Thanks for your letter. We’ll publish it in the Viewer Mail section of our website so that others can read it too.

John McElroy

Sorry I missed this AAH to offer some questions or call in.  I was sitting with my mom in a stroke rehab facility when the show was on live.  I hope your father is doing better.

A couple things:
It’s entirely plausible that the aero CD/wind/tire rolling resistance can be so much worse in hard rain.  It would be interesting to see the degradation in BMW 3 efficiency/mpg under the same conditions.  Tesla has the best efficiency in the industry, Henry didn’t find anything wrong, and if no extra cabin heating was required then it probably isn’t an EV specific problem.
 It would have interesting to see the log for the HVAC.  Maybe the defroster or dehumidifying consumed more power?

There is a CHAdeMo adapter and soon a SAE CCS adapter offered by Tesla.. I think they are about $500 each

EVgo just announced that they will start to have a DCFC with all 3 cords in the future: CHAdeMo, CCS, and Tesla.
.. Just like some gas pumps have 3 pump handles.

I know people who were on the SAE j1772 committee when Tesla went on their own away from SAE j1772.  From what I’ve deduced, tesla created their own Tesla charging coupler (with compatibility w/L2 J1772) because they thought the SAE committee was too conservative forcing the extra CCS DC pins (technically called ”DC Level-2”).  Tesla thought DC Level-1 using the same pin out as the Level1/Level2 was more compelling if the existing pins could handle more amperes. Look at the similarity of a Supercharger Coupler vs Mobile cord.  Same pinout.  And yes Tesla may have also thought about creating a strategy for Tesla-exclusive Superchargers for competitive advantage.  Note that Tesla is consuming large amounts of cash for all these Supercharging stations and integrated nav/status/trip planning.   It is a differentiator.

Note that in the EU Tesla is putting both a Tesla and CCS receptacle on the EU version of the Model 3.. best of both worlds.  A Smart strategy.

I know people who worked for Steve Jobs.. I led the team that designed the first PowerPC processor in the Apple/IBM/Motorola alliance that launched the PowerMac.  From what I have gathered Elon is more talented than Steve Jobs and Elon is far more multidimentionally capable as well.

Yes, when a Cybertruck tows it will get worse efficiency and range.. but when an f150 tows a big trailer it is only going to probably get 8-10mpg.   

I wish I could have been there to help Henry NOT spend $2000 on wiring..  once you say you want an EV charger to an electrician it tends to drive up the price..  just get a simple 50amp breaker, 6 gauge wiring in conduit (instead of through the walls/ceiling), route the wire to a simple NEMA 14-50 outlet.  Then use the free Tesla mobile Level1/Level2 cord that came with the car or buy a spare L1/L2 Tesla cord for only $300.
The mobile cord can charge at 7.5kW.. impressive.

Also, when you go through the effort of installing a 240volt circuit for your garage, it is better to go ahead and get a 240volt circuit for each bay of the garage so your garage is “future proofed”.  The incremental cost of the wiring/breaker is modest compared to the labor. Don’t put extra chargers in.. just stub it out.   And this is a one-time upgrade of your house that makes your home EV charging capable forever more.  It’s better to have the NEMA 14-50 outlet because if you get a non-Tesla EV in the future you can simply unplug the Tesla charger and plug in an SAE j1772 box.  Or if the charger fails you can easily unplug and replace it.

Mach-E has a real chance for reasonable sales given its performance and practically.  There needs to be a performance AWD Corvette BEV SUV next..  just as the Macan is one of Porsche’s main profit engines now GM could create another bold product.  Porsche is also planning on an Macan EV.

Sure, OEMs should focus EVs on the $40k plus market for a while.. but as battery, power electronics, and other costs on the car (electrical architecture, switches) decline in costs then broader markets will be profitable over time.
The OEMs need to truly unleash their teams’ creativity  to innovate and make compelling BEVs and PHEVs... no more bland compliance cars please.  And they need to create teams who truly want to make the best PEV possible so it they are inspired about the project and include cool features that are not reasonable or possible on an ICE Vehicle.

Great show.. keep up the good work.  Happy New Year!

PS: Austin is hosting a “Fully Charged” EV show at the COTA F1 track on Feb1-2.  It might be of interest.


Hello John and the Autoline team,
A few of the AAH shows have included speculation on the future of FCA brands in the US market after this PSA merger. Usually the questions are: Can Chrysler the brand exist with 2 models? Can Dodge? and will Fiat and Alfa leave the market?
I am sure none of these brands will be discontinued for at least a couple more years and one answer not covered is a case study of GM and Oldsmobile when it decided to shut the brand down:
G.M. actually did eliminate one of its brands, Oldsmobile, it had to shell out around a billion dollars to pay dealers off—and it still ended up defending itself in court against myriad lawsuits. As a result, dropping a brand may very well cost more than it saves, since it’s the dealers who end up with a hefty chunk of the intended savings.
If FCA decides to end Chrysler or Fiat brands after the current models end production, then FCA-PSA will have to pay off the dealers to end their franchises. That's alot more franchise agreements than just Oldsmobile had even.
FCA-PSA may find it much better to just bring a PSA rebadge in as a Chrysler, even if the sales are not great, just to avoid having to pay to terminate franchises. A bonus is to fill a little bit more plant capacity in Europe  (like how exports to USA got local tax breaks for Holden, and GM's Opel could send us Buicks/Saturns to slightly help euro factories avoid layoffs)
Keep up the great work!
Tyler from Ohio
Watching every Autoline video on YouTube since I learned of the show in 2013! 

I could not agree more. PSA could help FCA re-build the Dodge and Chrysler brands with some of its cars.

John McElroy
Demand for cobalt is soaring due to EV battery production, yet EV production is still in its infancy. Batteries account for 62% of all cobalt use.
In China, batteries account for nearly 79% of cobalt use.
Oil refining uses very little cobalt by comparison.

Hello. Tesla do have a CHADEMO adapter as well as CCS. It can also charge at any ac outlet that is grounded,
In winter conditions, pre heating the battery greatly helps range.
Thanks for excellent show.
Regards from Norway

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

I recently leased a new Volvo S60 T8 Plugin Hybrid.  After I took delivery, I was rather surprised to learn is that I cannot delay the charging time after plugin.  This may not sound like a big deal, but in Southern California, I cannot take advantage of the “Super Off Peak Rates” that start at Midnight (unless I get up at Midnight to plugin my car).   In our area, the rates drop from 24¢ to 9¢ per kWh, which reduces my energy charge by 64%!!
I owned a Chevy Volt, friends and relatives own Pacificas, Leafs, Teslas, and Bolts, all of which have the capability to delay their charge.
All I ask is that the next time you attend a Volvo Event, that you might ask if they plan to offer an upgrade to their current software to address this issue.
By the way, I love every other aspect of the S60.
Thanks so much for listening.
By the way, I am a former Detroiter that has been a faithful listener to all of your programs for many years.
San Diego, CA

Thanks for the great feedback, we were not aware of that. And we will definitely ask the Volvo people when they may provide an upgrade.

John McElroy

Great show!
Some comments:
It’s the LCA (life cycle analysis .. sometimes called cradle to grave) not just the W2W analysis.
LCA includes mining/Mfg/W2W/disposal
I’d trust the Cradle to grave/LCA from Argonne labs/NREL more than AVL. 
Their analysis does not show 70k miles payback needed from what I recall.

Also, do you think Tesla will sell a boat load of Model Y’s?   As of 1/1/2020 they have zero tax credits.. and they will still sellout.   OEMs need to stop whining for more subsidies and simply focus on making compelling and competitive PEVs that customers want to buy.. as Tesla has.

Layoffs from EVs?  What a convenient excuse since the OEMs know the regulators want EVs so blame EVs to deflect political heat .. a great strategy even if it’s a partial red herring.

I think there is too much bias to pure BEVs and not a customer needs/wants and infrastructure driven analysis that would likely show the PHEV has some strong advantages in meaningful market segments.

The OEMs should be deploying some of their best IC Powertrain engineers on PHEVs instead of laying them off


Thanks for sharing your insights!

John McElroy

John & Gary,
I watched your recent December 20 2019 Review: On The Edge of Carmageddon - Autoline After Hours 490 which I found most interesting.
Not sure if you & Gary were in sync with many of the views & assessment of the Motor Vehicle Industry by your two guests - Joe Langley, of IHS Markit & Paul Eichenberg of Strategic Consulting who appear to very knowledgeable & up to speed as to what the current state of play & potentially what the future may have instore for all of us.
Since watching your show yesterday I came across another online article with a similar outlook as to the potential disruption being inflicted on various industries by Elon Musk & his operations across a number of fields.
It too is very stimulating in its potential IF THE ASSUMPTIONS PROVE TO BE CORRECT in its impact of industry & society.
I felt that you may find the article of interest in the manner it supports the views of your two guests - Joe Langley, of IHS Markit & Paul Eichenberg of Strategic Consulting.
The online article is titled - From Energy To Transport To Healthcare, Here Are 8 Industries Being Disrupted By Elon Musk And His Companies
I trust that you find my input of interest & also of value.
Regards, Laurie

Thanks for pointing out this article to us. And will publish your letter in Viewer Mail on our website so others can read it too.

All the best,
John McElroy

Ha, who would have "thunk" ? On one of your recent AAH episodes a suggestion was made  that GM use the "old" Hummer brand to launch a new line of higher end electric vehicles? And better yet , they will be sold at GMC dealerships ( also suggested). Later Youngblood
Well, we do know that a lot of people at GM watch AAH!

I would love to see a segment on the Toyota Tundra and future plans. Maybe an interview with chef designers Mike sweers..
Thank you
Good suggestion, we’ll see if we can get him back.

John McElroy

question on wards best engines

This episode
may already be taped.. but if the Model 3 doesn’t win an award I will be suspicious 


Model 3 is not part of it. Ward’s has asked Tesla for several years to make any of its cars available for the Ten Best evaluation and never even received a reply. Not even a “No.” That’s very typical for most automotive journos who try to deal with Tesla.

These guys claim to have a revolutionary electric motor that cuts 90% weight with no loss in efficiency. They claim to be in talks with major auto companies, although they're first hitting the market in the HVAC space. It sounds like an interesting Autoline segment.
Thanks for sending, very interesting. We’ll definitely keep an eye on this one.

John McElroy

Almost every Automotive Union Boss in Detroit is going to jail for corruption, kickbacks etc.
When I was visiting Silicon Valley 3 weeks ago, I was sitting at one of my favorite cafes overhearing a conversation between three "tech workers."  The most salient sentence: "What's a union?"
Almost nobody working in Silicon Valley today has ever been a member of a union, or even has a close family member who does.  At the most, they have learned about the concept of unions in school or watching The History Channel.
But who am I kidding: These "kids" (under 35) have never watched The History Channel.

Hello John,
I saw the Flashpoint show tonight and couldn’t help but think you guys were holding back about FCA. I recently left FCA after twenty years because it had become such a terrible, terrible environment and thought there may have been something wrong on a deeper level.
I had become so stressed out early this year at FCA that I went to the ER because I thought I was having a heart attack. Fortunately I was okay and they kept me over night to do a stress test in the morning. The interesting part was while doing the stress test the lab techs asked me what I did for a living and I told them I was an engineer. One of the techs said right away, let me guess, you work at Chrysler. I was floored in disbelief because it meant she probably had a lot of data to support her statement. She said Chrysler was their biggest customer over at Henry Ford of West Bloomfield. I asked if they were all older and she said all different age engineers were coming in looking pretty bad off. I asked are some actually having heart attacks and she was afraid to tell me. My management was aware that I thought I had a heart attack and yet they continued to be very harsh. I am very lucky for my wife and I that I found a new job because I began to fear that I could have a heart attack any day. Once you are away from it you really see it for what it is so when the GM lawsuit came out it made sense. I feel so terrible for the people who can’t leave because it is like a prison and very dangerous.
I wish someone would do an inside story on FCA. I believe the Reid Bigland story shows some of it. People need to know.
Happy holidays and I really like Autoline daily with Sean. It’s an interesting time in our industry.
Best regards,

Hello Mr. McELroy, How Are You, Sir???     I saw you on Autoline Daily, nice skin tone!!!  Get a little Sun in Arizona or some place while testing a new car???   Two things from today's show: 1) This is just for you and me, I would NEVER want you to ask Mr. Juechter this question, and of course I haven't seen the C-8 in real life yet, but in the photos it appears to me to be a little thick-wasted and chunky for a mid-engine exotic car; I know they HAD to make a trunk that's big enough to hold 2 golf bags of something, but are my eyes that wrong???   2) on your story about placing the multi media screens on instead of built-in the dashboard, I noticed one shot was of the screen on the prototype Ford Mach-E ( does that mean I have to join the French Underground to buy one? ) I noticed it had both the front and rear doors open; it looks to me like the rear doors don't open very far to me, if it's opened all the way. Hope I'm wrong about that, too!!!  Also, it still looks like it has a Frito-Bandito mustache over the front non-grille!!!  Okay, thank you for letting me "vent" no reply necessary!!!  And if I don't write again this year, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU, SEAN, GARY, YOUR FAMILIES, AND THE REST OF THE AUTOLINE MOTOWN GANG!!!!   CHARLES ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT.  P.S. : AND THANKS FOR ALL THE INFORMATION AND ENTERTAINMENT YOU'VE GIVEN ME  ON ONE OF MY FAVORITE PASSIONS THROUGHOUT THIS PAST YEAR!!!!!! ( More Sandy Munro in 2020!!!!)

Regarding increasing seatbelt warnings in vehicles… What good will that do when people can go out and purchase seat belt clips that go in to the latch with no belt attached? This defeats the seat belt warning and they happily go down the road with no seatbelt on. I know because I regularly have to remove one of these when I carpool and sit in a passenger seat.
People can also disable the seat belt warning, so there’s no way to prevent people from buckling up if they don’t want to. But thanks to those annoying seat belt warnings, 90% of US drivers now wear their seatbelts.

John McElroy

I'm greatly disappointed in the Corvette Engineer's interview.
I listened to the entire thing and no one had the guts enough to ask the #1 question about this car: MAINTENANCE!!!
Mechanics are already warning future Corvette owners that the C8 will come with Exotic Repair Costs.
Rear engine cars are always massively more expensive to repair, than front engine cars. 
And, this C8 appears to have that exact same problem.
Plus: the Double Clutch transmissions have a horrible reliability history: right now.
Ford has a recall on every single one they have sold: particularly those in the Ford Focas.
How are Corvette owners going to "Tune," their C8?
Corvette owners like to Tune their engines a lot.
It will be massively expensive to even do small upgrades to this C8's engine.
To not question how Corvette has addressed this major question.
While trying to "talkup the everyday use," of the C8.
Just left me stunned.

Good point about maintenance, but there were several areas that we didn’t get into because otherwise the show would have had to go on for another hour.

Don’t equate the DCT in the Vette with the recall-ridden dry clutch DCT that Ford put in the Focus and Fiesta. DCT’s are used through out the industry with a good history of service.

Hi John,
Yesterday’s Autoline Afterhours was incredible; but as good as having a C8 Corvette on the set with you was if a C8 minus the body panels like the show a few years ago with the skeletal frame of Cadillac’s CT6.
Mike @ San Francisco CA
Great idea Mike, but they didn’t have a skeleton available for the show.

* Response to letter about Mark Ruess crash (down two) *

Mr. Juechter appeared to be running out of steam at the end of his intense interview, but I'm sure Clem's phone call made up for it for him.  It was like a candle on the cake.
It would have been nice to see him pulling the 'vette out of the garage as in yesteryear.
Also, regarding the R&D and personnel involved, he did seem to allude to including the China staff without specifics.
I wonder if Mark Reuss got to drive that course before doing a pace run as, not only did he hit an odd curve, but the pavement appeared to be uneven.  I'll bet the C8 would do better though.
bless you all this Christmas!

Do you think GM is developing a Cadillac version of the C8 Corvette?

It seems unlikely Cadillac will get a version of the C8 since the two would compete head to head.

Did Mark Reuss' spin out give mid engine a boost?
What complexity this guy holds in his mind!
No doubt the C8 development was well underway before Mark Reuss spun out the C7 pace car at the 2018 Detroit Grand Prix!

And you’re right, it’s amazing how much info, details and complexity Tadge Juechter, chief executive engineer on Corvette, keeps in his head.

How many months will the 2020 C8 production year last. Feb 2020 to... ?

Enjoy Life....It has an expiration date!
Since it’s a low volume car, the Corvette will be in the market longer than mass market cars so it can earn a return on its investment. We think there will probably be a refresh in 5 years and a major re-do in 10 years.

* Response to Question Above *

Thanks. I figured at least 8 years because of the major redesign.



Maybe it’s just me but if this new X-over Mustang looks like a cross-over, the Mustang image will never be the same!  It’s like never being able to unsee the incorrect usage of ‘unique’ once someone points out to the folly of ‘very unique’!   Eeeeeey  screeching nails on a chalkboard.  Apologies my friend!

And to update you on my planning for my trip East for T’giving:  I’m a week away from my first stop in Flagstaff and wouldn’t you know it . . . The overnight low is forecasted 19 degrees.  I’ve already cut my planning figures back to 80% of 80%.  Geez!  All the more ‘stories’ I’m sure I’ll have upon return.

Till next week, 

Wes in SoCal

The decision to call the Mach E a Mustang generated a lot of controversy even within the Ford Motor Company.

We hear that Bill Ford was the most skeptical of all the top brass.

But what convinced him was that the Mustang team told him they could absolutely make the Mach E look ;and drive like a Mustang.

No doubt the purists will never buy one, but then again, Porsche purists still buy 911’s even though the company now makes several CUVs.

John McElroy

Hi John,

I been trying to figure out who this Lordstown Motors Corporation (LMC) that just bought the GM Lordstown plant.  The only company to step forward to identify themselves is Workhorse which is way too small to acquire the Lordstown plant including the billions of dollars of equipment currently housed in the plant (LMC claims the equipment alone is valued in excess of $3 billion).  Workhorse says they transferred their UP for their electric trucks and vans in exchange for 10% of LMC.  My question is who owns the other 90%???

The most likely suspect in this hidden ownership mystery is GM as its unlikely they would transfer a multi-billion dollar asset to an unknown startup unless they have a major stake in LMC.  But why keep this fact, if it exists, secret?  When the sale to Workhorse was first tweeted out by President Trump, news reports said a new company (LMC) consisting of Workhorse, GM and a third party will purchase the plant.  GM was apparently interested in acquiring IP from Rivian before being out bid by Ford and Amazon.  Is it possible GM is acquiring Workhorse IP by becoming a major owner of LMC?

I've searched and searched for more info on the LMC collaboration but could find nothing.  Do you have any inside information?  It may be an interesting story.  For example, how would this tie-up affect the GM product line-up?  Would LMC branded commercial trucks and vans fall under the GM umbrella, thus giving buyers access to the GM dealer network?  Is GM going to provide manufacturing and engineering expertise.  Will Workhorse propulsion design find its way into GM trucks?  Will GM and LMC be sharing common components like the battery, or the hub motors used in the LMC Endeavor pickup?

By the way, the issue of the hub motors is interesting.  If you look at pictures of the Workhorse van entry into the USPS competition it appears to have hub motors at all four wheels.  The USPS has been testing a number of Workhorse vans for over two years.  I assume the testing has gone OK as LMC thinks they have a good shot in winning this competition.  Now they've dumped the two conventional motor design used in the W-15 pickup for four hub motors in the Endeavor.  Is it possible we could see this show up in the Express/Savanna replacement?


Larry K

You ask really good questions. And we don’t have any answers….yet.

John McElroy

I'm sorry, but that Mach-E image was pitiful.  Maybe its better from different angles, as they say.
If only the front deck sloped more, the lower corner scoops were not so big, and that center 'bubble' filling the grill area.  I know, if they gave it the 'Caravel' treatment like the Model 3, it would be a copy.
It looks crude, not like those sketches, or like Teslas or whats coming from VW.  Maybe the crude version is for North America, and the slick edgy version is for Europe as is usually the case for Ford.

WHY call the ‘Mach-E’ a Mustang ?   As someone who currently owns four Mustangs and at age 61 has always owned Ford vehicles, I am annoyed with the fact that the heritage of the Mustang name is being ‘whored’ out for an SUV. What is more alarming is the fact that management was originally short sighted enough to consider using the ‘Mach1’ name for this project. After a firestorm of negative comments via social media and online outlets the name was changed to ‘Mach-E’.  Please look at the current number of negative comments on social media and online regarding this vehicle being called a Mustang. Is this the kind of attention that was envisioned for this product? It seems that this is an unnecessary distraction from all the hard work that went into developing this vehicle. Did we learn nothing from the Ford Probe/Mustang controversy from the late 1980’s.  To add insult to injury, this American ‘icon’ will be built in Mexico. I see other foreign manufacturers expanding their US based factories to build their BEV’s.
Be sure to watch our Autoline After Hours on the Mach E where we get Dave Pericak, who was the head of the Mach E program, to answer the critics on why they call it a Mustang.
John McElroy 

Hello Mr. McELroy, How Are You???    Well, HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!   You will probably remember we both agreed that the Porche Taycan (Tin Can???) was a big disappointment style-wise compared to the Mission-E concept car it was based on; although the final production version does look a little better than some of the prototypes that were photographed driving around, but now we have the Electric Mustang to look at!!!  I don't know what they are calling the "grilless grill" they have on the front end, but the 1st thing it made me think of was the movie "GODFATHER PART 1" when retired Vito Corleone is playing with his grandson just before he dies, and he sticks a wedge of orange rind in his mouth and scares the kid; that's what the front end looks like to me!!! (hopefully, the pictures don't do it justice, and it looks much better in real life!!!) And even though it's optional battery pack has more Kilowatt-Hours than a Tesla Model-3 AWD, it gets less range???  And doesn't it look like the the 15.5" display screen in the middle of the dash sits up too high when compared to the one in the Model-3 or the Models S and X???  THANK YOU FOR READING THIS MR. MAC, I know you and Gary V. are going to be devoting a lot of coverage to this new car this week, SO HAVE FUN!!!  CHAS O, PLAINVILLE, CT.
The analogy to the Godfather is pretty funny! But I think you’ll like the styling of the Mach E more when you see it out on the street.

Also, we need to see what the battery pack and range of the Model Y will be, because that’s a more apples-to-apples comparison to the Mach E than the Model 3.

John McElroy

Can you imagine a film with a car chase in San Francisco with Steve McQueen in a silent Mustang ?
...not really the same !
Kind Regards


I live up here in the snow belt and I know that batteries lose power during cold weather. How far should a EV go during cold temps of say 0 degrees or 32 degrees. My guess is it will loose up to 40%.
Dave B
Ft Wayne
GM Retiree
In our experience when test driving EVs, they lose about 40% range when the temperature drops to around 25 degrees F.

John McElroy

Will Ford make at least one demo Mach E painted with the signatures of everyone on the design team?
Better still, make a limited run of these special cars and after a year tour, sell them at auction. 
If too obvious, perhaps an 'Easter Egg' with the signatures on the inside of the bumper covers or under the frunk lid.
A Tesla Model 3 owner, this is the first EV I could covet. I need to see the production car specs but I'm wondering, will they take a Model 3 for trade-in?
Bob Wilson

Interesting comments from Jim Hackett... and a fair assessment by Electrek on the “cycle of stupidity” when OEMs try to push a half assed EV onto the market 

Ford Mustang Mach E will be immediately profitable, says Ford CEO
Ford's newly revealed Mustang Mach E will start producing profit "on vehicle number one," said Ford CEO Jim Hackett in an interview with Bloomberg after Ford's Sunday Mach E reveal event. Hackett specified that the car's cost of production will be lower than the revenue gained from its sale ("contribution margin") right from the beginning....

Ekectrek continues to drink the coolaid. To say that the Tesla Roadster was profitable from the get go and that Tesla is now running quite profitably is ignorant and misleading. The editors there need to learn how to read an income statement.

I just added up all of Tesla’s losses since the company went public in 2010. It lost $5,673,901,000. That comes from its own 10-K reports. The company has never had a profitable year.

No traditional automaker would continue to invest in cars that lose so much money, which explains why they tried to do compliance cars that would minimize their losses.

Kudos to Elon Musk and government regulations for creating a market for EVs. From this point on you will no longer see traditional automakers doing compliance cars.

John McElroy

With the Mach-E Ford changed horses in the middle of the stream and crossed the Rubicon at the same time. Now that the die has been cast there's no taking it back.
I think there will more impact from this move psychologically rather than materially, but in this case the former is more important. Ford needed something to spark the imagination
and the Mustang Mach-E does just that. Of course it should make money some day, after it's paid for itself. I don't think demand will hobble it, it will be the inability to meet demand,
that slows it down. 
Hopefully Ford will release the number of deposits it’s getting, which will give us an early indication of how it might sell.

One thing’s for sure. It will sell a lot better than the compliance EV they originally planned to make.

John McElroy

Hi, Autoline - absolutely love the show, and have for years…
This just occurred to me. If the Mach-E is an Automobile, does that make it a Macchiato (Mach-E-Auto)?
Too corny?  Yeah, probably. There’s lots of talk online about whether it’s good, bad, too similar to the Tesla Model Y design, shouldn’t be called a Mustang, etc. But I for one really like what I see.  Good luck to Ford and congrats to the team that put this together.
All the best
Bryan F

Thanks for your Mach E feedback, and for your corny naming insight!!

John McElroy

Now if this works it really would be a game changer 
It solves at least 3 reasons against lithium Ion batteries
..........if it turns out to be commercially feasible ?
Kind Regards

We wish we had a nickel for every “battery breakthrough” that’s been announced.

Solid state could represent a great technology for EVs, but even if everything goes perfect, we think it’s still a decade away from commercial production.

John McElroy

Which Tesla does is the Mach-E, 32.6 kWh/100, aimed at?
40 kWh/100 mi - Model X P100D
35 kWh/100 mi - Model S P100D
32.6 kWh/100 mi - Mach-E
29 kWh/100 mi - Model 3 Long Range AWD Performance
25 kWh/100 mi - Model 3 Standard Range Plus
Is the Mach-E aimed at the larger, upscale Teslas versus the smaller, more efficient Model 3?
Bob Wilson
The Mach E CUV will compete more directly with the Model Y CUV than with the 3, S or X.

John McElroy

hello john,
I have been watching all the news reports on the smugly mustang mach e. 
unreal with its dodge caliber rear styling and the 1960 edsel tail lights. I assume that is the e in mach e. 
the interior photo's seem to follow a cross between cheap caliber and tesla. no invitation needed.
bill ford's first instinct's where correct.  


Neil G
Normal IL
Good question. There are lots of “CARs.” Perhaps the best known in the US is the Center For Automotive Research in Ann Arbor. But there are others in Ohio State University, Stanford U, and North Carolina. They are not related to each, but use the same name.
USCAR is an industry consortium between GM, Ford and FCA, the national labs and other automotive institutions. It handles pre-competitive research into EV batteries, electrical components, advanced materials and other areas.
Check it out here.
John McElroy

I think auto manufacturers have not come to grips with the psychology of the change from ICEs to electric motors. We can all see the complexity of a modern ICE, and imagine the human labour that has gone into it just by opening the hood -  we appreciate the effort to make our machine. 
In my view, the large engine covers used in luxury ICE vehicles are a mistake - they hide most of the goodies. 
Tesla and Porsche are dualling it out over high performance EVs. Model 3 Standard Range Plus is still a high performance vehicle compared to similar ICE powered vehicles - a small market. Looking under hood of a Kona, Bolt, Leaf, etc, it is not obvious where value lies.
Electric motors are small, with apparently few components - we don't see human effort we should pay more for. 
No one drools over a hidden Tesla circuit board no matter the performance it enables - the car has lots of them, but they are in nondescript metal boxes out of view. Perhaps they should put them in clear cases and put them on view so we can see what we are buying. 
Nothing looks dumber than an EV battery - no moving parts - and all in a hidden box. 
From a packaging point of view, the battery needs to go under the car due to weight. The four Model 3 battery modules have some visual appeal out of the car. It would be great if they were individual items bolted into the body with a coverplate underneath - it would be great to jack up the car, remove coverplate, and us car junkies admire and compare our battery modules. 
All the other stuff (like the HV components under the Tesla Model 3 back seat, the inverters presently bolted to the motors, the aircon unit, power steering unit, power brakes unit, etc, should all be on show under the hood like they are with an ICE vehicle (air con unit in an ICE cabin behind dash). People would admire the Tesla superbottle if it was on show - most admired part of the Model 3. 
I say - get rid of the frunk. Perhaps have a 'glovebox' under the hood to store charging cables. Under the hood of an EV we should be looking at the all the components that make it go. In the Model 3, the radiator should be stood up vertically as part of putting stuff on show. 
Surely, most of us would love to pull up the hood and see all the stuff we have bought. Obviously, the underside of the 'engine' bay needs to enclosed for aerodynamic purposes and to keep water and dirt out best possible. 
It would be nice if just about everything under the hood of an EV was plug-in, or an easy bolt on - both for repairs and for aftermarket upgrades. Millions of people watch Youtubers do bolt-on performance upgrades to ICE vehicles. EVs need similar upgrade-ability.
For those of us who would love an EV because of how little stuff is required for a city runabout, we should be able to open our hood and see we have less stuff.
Sydney Australia

What an intriguing idea!

John McElroy

Subject: Corvette as a brand

Of course, there is much inherent appeal in spinning off Corvette as a

However, it seems the main barrier would be franchise laws. Would every
Chevrolet dealer have the option of being a Corvette dealer?

When GM goes bankrupt again in 2023, will President Warren demand that the
un-PC Corvette brand be killed like Obama demanded Hummer be killed?

If GM wanted to make Corvette a stand-alone brand it probably could do so without much trouble.

But it would have to write a new franchise agreement for that brand. And it would want separate showrooms. No doubt Chevrolet dealers who do a good job selling Corvettes would be the first to sign up. But Cadillac dealers might want to as well.

I don't thinks franchise contracts allow dealers to dictate to automakers which models have to be in their lineup.

John McElroy

Hi John, Great Show, and I agree with you many times, but not always, because those on the inside know things that no Writer or Reporters will ever know. I am a recently retired, 40-year, Auto Plant Repairman, Inspector, Assembler, and UAW Safety Representative. I have a unique perspective. The Ford Chicago Plant, has the same type of issues that  FCA Sterling Heights Assembly Plant had, they were long-time Car Assembly Plants, that were converted to making Truck/SUV vehicles with no prior experience. After the 2008-2009 Bankruptcies or restructuring , the Auto Companies, and the Wall Street Task force, led by Steve Rattner, were overjoyed to get rid of the job-classifications that allowed a Worker to claim a job as theirs, and refuse to go on any other job! The saying used to be,”The person who does a job everyday is the best at it”. After the bankruptcies and restructuring, the “Team Concept” was adopted, and you couldn’t be moved to another job every two hours! You no longer built up a wealth of knowledge doing the same job every day, and the experience to see all situations and scenarios, and learn to master them. Combine that with the pressure to get high-seniority Workers to take buyouts, to get rid of their influence on Younger Workers, and the freedom to replace them with Temporary or New Workers who are easier to manipulate or exploit, drastically affected quality. Both Plants had months of repairs, poor quality, and had to call experienced Workers out of Retirement, Per-Diem, because nobody knows that Techniques and Tricks of building the Trucks and SUVs that they made for years at other locations. Quality, is secondary to efficiency to them, and Wall Street pushed them for the flexibility and control of the Team Concept way of building Cars, over the Craftmanship  and experience of a Seasoned Workforce, similar to Lexus having a Takumi Master Craftsperson(it takes 30 years), or High Performance Engine being built by Hand, by One Person who is an Expert, and they sign the Engine after it is Assembled with pride. Rolls Royce and Bentley does this, too!

Fantastic feedback and insight.

But I think there are plenty of jobs in a plant where workers would welcome a change. Honda, for example, moves people from the right hand side of the vehicle to the left hand side once a shift, just so they use different muscles and don’t tire as easily. Also, as someone who worked the line (Ford Rouge plant and Livonia Transmission), I know there are jobs that are boring and repetitive, and a rotation would be welcome, even if it was only once a week.

But you’re right. There are plenty of jobs where you want the people on the line to develop deep knowledge and skill.

John McElroy

*Response to Letter from 11/8*

John, it just shows you how little we in UK know about the geography of the US. I had not even heard of Lansing yet I see it is the fifth largest city in Michigan and has a population of 115,000.
Of course the USA is more than 40 times the size of UK and has 5 times the population  -  so there you have 8 times as much space per person as we do here. We are familiar with film of Dearborn a hundred years ago in history of Ford Motor but  really have no idea at all what Dearborn, Detroit or indeed Michigan and all past and present car plant locations look like now ..............a bit of travelogue footage along those lines on Autoline would be most interesting - also to see film of where your studios are located
Kind Regards


Hi John, 
I just left a Walmart that has floor cleaning machines driving themselves around the store.  I'm wondering if they're completely autonomous, or perhaps pre-programmed. Because it stopped when I stopped too close to it. 
It was the exact same type of unit that typically has a driver seated in it, but it was just running on its own. 


I saw this video on YouTube and thought that you might be interested. I'm a daily viewer of your show and want to thank you for great work that you guys do.

Best Regards,

...Michael O'Brien's almost deadpan, full of facts presentation.  You can comprehend all he says.
Your Carbon guest was also amazing, but wow, what tech.  That is what is harder to comprehend.
Maybe I should invest my pension in one of his machines.
Chuckle, for your 'senior moment', which I can relate to.  I was around a couple techies last night talking all this amazing stuff I can't comprehend, plus the terminology for it.
r work

Take the amount of renewable energy needed to make enough hydrogen to fill the fuel tank of his car which will take you about 330 miles. You can use that amount of renewable energy and charge a BEV multiple times and travel 3 to 4 times further. So why would I want to make hydrogen?
Your guest does not mention that 95% of all the hydrogen made in the US, is made by burning fossil fuels.
George from Sunnyvale

Dear Autoline team,
My name is Carlos Ortega and I have worked in the museums field for over 15 years.
I consider myself a moderate car industry enthusiast (checking car news online and Youtube every other day on my spare time). 
I am often more interested in all the behind-the-scene events that take place in the automotive industry and your team is the most reliable source of information I have ever encounter. I have been following your channel for many years.
I just wanted to send you a brief message of encouragement and sincere thanks. 
Secondly, I am sincerely considering going into the automotive industry by working for a company who organizes the press events that take place when promoting a new vehicle. I was wondering if you or any person in your team might know some names of companies that work doing that. I am currently located in Southern California.
I thank you very much in advance for your time and assistance.
Keep Rocking!!

All the Best,

Thanks for being such a fan of Autoline, we truly appreciate it.

Most press events for a new model are organized by the public relations staffs at the car companies. They pick the venue, the drive route, the meals, who gets invited, etc.

But they also use outside companies to handle all the logistics, set-up and shipping of cars. Some of them include TNT Drives, Drive Shop, and Prestige.

John McElroy

Thanks so much for allowing us at Carbon to be a part of your iconic show!!  The format was awesome, the questions were insightful AND your staff is amazing! ( I actually did not know it was streamed live: your staff deserves a medal!!  They weaved in B-roll films and images throughout the talk track in a way that normally takes talented experts a few days of editing but I’ve never seen that live...bravo to them!!  Please share my astonishment with them!)
All the best and thanks again!  And the next time you are in Silicon Valley please let me know as we’d love to have you visit and give you a tour!!  Thank you!!
Joseph M. DeSimone
Co-founder, CEO

For Christmas this year, please give me an Autoline After Hours concentrating on the new Mustang-inspired Ford EV. If I've been good this year, please have as your guest the team lead. And if I've been extra good, please have one sitting in your studio.
Thanks for an awesome show!
Scott S
North Stonington, CT.
PS: As you probably know, the spy shots are hitting the Web now, and those of us who like electric cars and especially two door crossovers are loving what we see. We're all looking forward to Santa John and Dr. Data sharing your recent close up with the vehicle. 

You must have been very good. Christmas is coming early this year.

Make sure you tune in to Autoline After Hours November 21!

Santa John and Dr. Data

Here’s something to think about and maybe look at in a future program.  I think the adoption of self driving cars will fail not because of technology, although it’s wildly complex, but because of liability and litigation.  I’m an engineer and the predictions that these cars will never make a mistake is naïve and misleading to the point of being silly.  After the first accident I predict the manufacturer of the car will be named as co-defendant in mega-liability suits.  Juries will see car companies as having the deep pockets and award hefty payouts and for other owners cars may be off the road for extended periods of time.  Just look at Boeing’s MCAS problems today and also how the small aircraft industry died because of liability issues.  Maybe in China self driving will work, but not in the USA.
Tony H
Camrose, Alberta  

Automakers in America get sued every day of the week. They have armies of in-house lawyers and retain the best of legal firms. The get slammed with hefty payouts all the time. This is nothing new to them.

Getting sued for AV accidents will be no different than what they go through now. Remember GM’s defective ignition switch? It killed over a hundred people and cost the company over $6 billion. Toyota’s “defective floor mats” cost it $2 billion. And those are just the most famous court settlements. The vast majority of them you never hear about. But they haven’t killed the car companies.

The potential profits in AVs are so great that automakers will be willing to take the risk of making them.

John McElroy

According to everything on the internet, the new 2020 Hyundai Sonata was supposed to be in dealerships in October.  Just wondering if you heard anything official about a delay.

We’ll have one of the Hyundai execs on Autoline After Hours this Thursday afternoon, so we’ll ask him.
John McElroy

Tomorrow 3rd Nov 2019 400 plus cars all made before 1904 set off to drive from Hyde Park in central London starting at 7.00am the 52 miles to  seaside resort Brighton on the south coast of England the oldest annual motoring event to commemorate the ending of the law that a man had to walk in front of every car waving a red flag to warn on coming horses and pedestrians .
Here are pictures of all the entries         
How about a Autoline entry next year in a pre 1904 Ford, Cadillac, Chevrolet, or Oldsmobile 
Kind Regards


Thanks for all the info and the link. What a fantastic collection of cars.

I once drove a 1903 Oldsmobile from Lansing to Dearborn in Michigan, and it’s still one of the greatest driving experiences of my lifetime.

We drove 100 miles and it took us 10 hours to do it (including lunch).

It would be a dream to be able to participate in the London to Brighton run.

John McElroy

GM gave the World Series MVP a 2020 Corvette last night. Good marketing and product placement?
This is a smart marketing move by Chevrolet, which has been giving cars to MVPs for years. No doubt they told Steven Strasburg, the MVP, that the C8 is full of “technology and stuff.”

John McElroy

I don’t own a Tesla.  I’m still interested in why you seem to hate Tesla so much.
Everything I hear from friends who own a Tesla contradicts what you guys say.  That leads me to question your motives.
So, what’s the deal?
We hate Tesla? Well then, why don’t you ask why we hate General Motors, or Volkswagen, or Nissan?

At Autoline we report the facts. When automakers do well, we praise them. When they don’t we criticize them.

We both praise and criticize Tesla, just like we do with all automakers.

John McElroy

Hello Autoline, John

Watch your daily shows and after hours show, thank you for what you do. Big fan, I thought I’d share this article from our National Broadcaster on the state of the Canadian auto sector.



Winnipeg, MB

Ford layoffs another hint Canada is heading for peak car: Don Pittis
While it’s true that sales of new cars have probably peaked in the US and Canada, these studies and the authors of this article are only looking at new cars. Sales of used cars have not slowed down. In fact, both the US and Canada now have more registered vehicles than at any time in history. And we’re scrapping cars at a slower rate, so even if new cars sales go down, the total number of registrations will go up.

John McElroy

Hello Mr. McELroy, How Are You Sir??  Tough loss for the Lions, EH???   First, I want to praise you for the guts you showed for publishing those two dirty, disgusting letters you got from those morons ( sorry, that's probably an insult to actual morons, Neanderthals?? ) idiots, or stoned teenagers that accused you of being anti-union for giving your insight on the GM strike.  THAT'S NO WAY FOR AN ADULT TO MAKE A POINT, CHILDREN!!!   Anyway, yes, I agree that Mr. Lutz, aka " MAXIMUM BOB" is one of the most interesting, and fascinating guests ( maybe tied only with Sandy Munro) you can have on, and while I don't think you would want to alienate or embarrass him with confrontational, or unessesary questions, I don't remember if you've ever asked him what he knew, and when he knew, about the ignition switch scandal, and if he thought engineer Frank Digorgio should have been charged with a crime, or at LEAST been subpoenaed to testify before Congress???  By the way, I never asked you before but I'm pretty sure you must have watched the hearings both times Mary Barra testified.  The 2nd hearing she was at, when the chairman (chairwoman??) the lady senator from Missouri told Ms. Barra she should fire her Vice Council Lawyer, (he was sitting right next to her) that sitting literally and figuratively over this lawyers right shoulder a few rows back was what I thought was the face of GM's AntiChrist, or Kryptonite, Ralph Nader, sitting in the gallery????  Thank You Mr.Mac, I'm ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN YOU'LL HAVE A GREAT SHOW, Good LUCK!!!!  Chas O

That Audi isn’t going to sell well in the US. $70k for less than 30 miles AER plus modest performance.
Will this even sell well in Europe?
It sounds like a classic overly complex design.
I don’t understand why they don’t Just create a dual motor AWD with a compact series range extender....give it EPA 100 miles AER and great acceleration.

W.r.t. an EV Hummer.. I could see how this could work.  Do what Lutz says with the GMC stores, make it have superb off road, poor weather, and dry weather performance.  It should have the ability for premium pricing so they can actually make money on it as an EV


It was a hoot watching Bob Lutz eat lunch, I bet you buy him lunch before you interview him next time.   Irregardless I love listening to Bob and his opinions, again I wrestle with the question should I order a mid-engine Corvette.  

Please continue to invite Bob back on the show, next time I will watch it during lunch.  

God Bless you,     

We sure got a lot of comments about Bob eating on the show!

But we have some mighty good snacks in the Autoline green room.

John McElroy

Just a note to say hi and congratulate you and your staff on another great year of shows.
I always enjoy it when you trot the old war horse out to pontificate on autos, but next time leave
off with the feedbag.
Also other car manufacturers can't just take off the shelf components and 
make a vehicle to compete with Tesla. They've, Tesla, have solved many of their problems and had a
good quarter, they are increasing sales and production while many others are going down, in both, and 
sometimes by a lot, laying off workers, closing plants, while Tesla builds them. It's a "Sea Change."
Enjoy the Holidays.

I completely agree that if traditional automakers want to compete with Tesla they need dedicated EV platforms, not existing platforms stuffed full of batteries.

Can’t wait to see the Mustang-inspired CUV electric that Ford will unveil in a couple of weeks. It could be the first EV to give Tesla a run for its money. (I don’t include the Taycan since it’s sales volume will be so low.)

John McElroy

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