AD #1628 – Road Rage Spurs China SUV Sales, Did Ford Make Mistake Selling JLR? You Said It!

May 27th, 2015 at 11:41am

Runtime: 7:23

- Road Rage Spurs China’s SUV Sales
- Did Ford Make a Mistake Selling JLR?
- Ford Launches Car Sharing in London
- Michigan Wants to be Autonomy Hub
- You Said It!

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37 Comments to “AD #1628 – Road Rage Spurs China SUV Sales, Did Ford Make Mistake Selling JLR? You Said It!”

  1. GM Veteran Says:

    Here is an idea for another Reader’s Poll:
    The recent practice of mounting the center stack infotainment screen on top of the dash, making it look to me like an afterthought. It looks like the owner bought it from JC Whitney and mounted it there for lack of any other available space. In the new Miata, it looks like it could possibly interfere with the driver’s line of sight immediately in front of the car. I think this interior design concept is tacky and not integrated at all. What do the rest of the readers/viewers think?

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I don’t pretend to know the inside and outside of the automotive industry (and I yield daily to some others more versed), however, riddle me this: JLR may be in the ‘red’ and not able to sustain operations (according to today’s report), so how is Tesla (who has never shown a profit) not in the same boat (and given the same criticism).

  3. Chuck Grenci Says:


    I’m with you GM Vet; even some of the high-end M/B’s have that ‘pod’ sticking out of the dash (and an eyesore to my eye). I can imagine if one of the domestics did that (the flack that they would get).

  4. HtG Says:

    1,3 I think I heard it somewhere in the Autoline universe that these tacked on screens were motivated by a desire to make interiors more roomy. Building the dash around the screens uses up cabin volume.

  5. Drew Says:

    I’m sorry, but any self-respecting driver’s car should have the hand parking brake on the driver’s side of the floor console. Gen 1 and 2 Miatas did it right for LHD markets, but Gen 3 and 4 only have it right for RHD markets.

  6. HtG Says:

    Ford GoDrive

    The ‘programme’ website says this thing is a beta open to 2000 people as long as they’re between 21 and 70 years of age and don’t work as diplomats, sports pros or as entertainers. Insurance won’t cover people in those lines of work.

  7. Ivan Sears Says:

    You know, folks, to replicate the aluminum casting used as an example from the Cadillac CT6 might require 35 pieces in steel to replicate all of the internal webbing and such. But, there is no way that a typical steel bodied car would try to do that. By my count, there would be less than half that many parts in a steel assembly and it would not at all look like the casting. Which is better? Likely the aluminum casting as the web eliments of the design can be critically placed, be more thin, and overall it would be a more efficient and significant structural piece. But, there was also no word on what it would cost to replace it following the inevitable accident. In a steel bodied car, it is possible to use repair techniques well known and understood in the collision repair industry. These same techniques do not necessarily transfer to aluminum parts at all and it could prove very costly to repair. Until large scale use of aluminum is in-place, and the repair industry is up to speed in making these repairs, I suspect insurance premiums to rise accordingly. That will be part of the price of ownership.

  8. MJB Says:

    #1 – I kind of agree with your take, GM Vet. If nothing else, having that big Infotainment / NAV screen up so high let’s everybody else around you (at night) see what you see. I prefer keeping my business my own and having the screen down at steering wheel level.

    #2 – How is Tesla not in the same boat? Well, Elon Musk is the darling of public sentiment right now. Tesla is the flavor of the month, year and decade. They can do no wrong because their CEO is the Marc Cuban of automobiles, private space travel and (soon to be) oil-independent fuel cell production for the entire country. When a company is driven by a single man with an agenda to change the way the planet (or at least the U.S.) consumes energy, it’s hard not to give his company’s stock bullish futures time and time again.

  9. Rob Says:

    #7 My thoughts exactly, as part complexity continues to be a top focus. Sometimes the cost is just shuffled to a supplier with modular units. But in the case of this aluminum casting my first thought was how much to replace it? It’s already bad enough when you go into the dealership to buy a $6 brake reservoir and told you need to buy a $180 brake cylinder unit because the parts are not sold individually.

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    @2- it’s my understanding that although Tesla loses money making cars it more than makes up for that by selling carbon credits.

  11. MJB Says:


    Yep. Individual component manufacturing is best for the consumer (costs less to replace), but advancements like these are best for the mfr (costs less to build).

    One guess as to which manufacturing method will win out in the end. Hint: the one that costs the mfr less money.

    To your example with the brake reservoir, we used to be able to pop wheel bearings and control arm bushings out and replace back in the day without having to buy whole new hub assemblies or control arms too…

  12. W L Simpson Says:

    Dashboard distraction is going to kill more people than cellphones.
    Speedometers should have gone digital a
    decade ago.

  13. pedro fernandez Says:

    #1 Mazda is guilty of this over and over again, the 6 and 3 also suffer from this, it’s almost as bad as the Tom-Tom Fiat sticks on top of the dash. Very poor design, I’d rather have nothing there sticking out like that.

  14. G.A.Branigan Says:

    If JLR wants to start turning profits,they should make their offerings,or at least some of their offerings more affordable to the average consumer.Jag styling with an American drive train would be a start,and also more reliable.Same goes for LR/RR.Keep the snotbag models but use their cred to go back and start building ‘affordable’ on/off roaders with American drive lines.

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    G A the last time Jag tried that, it turned out to be the disastrous X Type POS that almost killed the brand, Jags have always been upscale cars and trying to make them semi-affordable (Mercedes CLR) will be a big mistake IMO

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Yep, the CLA is the Benz of X-Types.

    Didn’t Tata buy JRL as kind of a hobby for a very wealthy Jaguar lover? If they can afford to keep coming up with new models, they are good custodians for the brand. Most of the Jaguars look great, and I guess the LR’s and RR’s look ok, if you like that type vehicles. If only they could improve quality.

  17. MJB Says:

    I can’t speak for the rest of the line, but Jag’s XJ series has been a reasonably reliable car since a couple of years after Ford first took them over.

  18. HtG Says:

    Hub hubbub*

    In my recherches des temps d’avenir I noticed that one John McElroy will soon be in Silicon Valley for some vehicular autonomy round-up. What’s up with that? What in le monde will it even mean for there to be a ‘hub’ for auto autonomy when so many technologies needs must come together? The silicon and software industries that will make this stuff happen are distributed all over the globe and people need to work in partnership to succeed. Learn that word, internet Solons: partnership.

    *seen this hub?

  19. C-Tech Says:

    To me the current issue with Jaguar is that it is not as distinctive as it once was. The XJ was very different in style from any other premium luxury. Now it seems to blend in, especially the side profile. Quality is much better though.

  20. HtG Says:

    See this?

    Apple exec calls car ‘ultimate mobility device,’ years after Nvidia’s boss, Jen Sun Huang said the same thing.

    It’s on! Oh, it’s on.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Is Jaguar still using Ford derived engines? If not, is Tata developing powertrain stuff in-house? Yeah, I don’t know much about Jaguar, except that they still look pretty good to me, but I probably wouldn’t buy one, even if I bought cars that pricey.

  22. HtG Says:

    It’s rare I see a Jag. More Rovers, even though I can’t tell the diff between RR and LR.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I never knew exactly how they assigned LR vs RR names, except that maybe the RR name is used for the even more overpriced ones, like Evoque, basically a $40-50K Ford Escape.

  24. pedro fernandez Says:

    Yesterday I met a client with his and hers LR’s and I asked about dependability and they told me it did not matter cause they lease a new one every 3 yrs. I guess this explains why continue to sell well among the rich.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 I grossly understated the price range of the Evoque. I just read a C & D review, and the one they drove stickered at $63,715. Yikes.

  26. G.A.Branigan Says:

    That’s funny Pedro,and I do believe it.From your clients perspective,they don’t give a damn,and neither does the factory,lmfao.A match made in automotive heaven I guess.

    Jags: I have seen several older jags with all American running gear in place of the junk,that includes trans etc.When I asked about the swap,I was told their are kits available to do that.In short,they love the styling of the jags,but really love their ‘autozone’ commonality for their drive lines.

  27. HtG Says:

    24 Yup. cf Branding Iron, by Charlie Hughes. Reliability is for proles.

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    These things become real affordable when they get to be 10 yrs old, of course you gotta be some kind of masochist to risk buying something so unreliable with so many years of use.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Maybe you can transplant a Chevy pickup powertrain into the big Range Rover without too much trouble. I guess they have more issues than the powertrain, though.

  30. HtG Says:

    Pedro, I saw a 2002 Boxster sell for 9100 this weekend on Ebay. Under 100k miles and in great condition. These lux cars are valuation dive bombers.

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    They all are, cause the rich don’t want them and the reg folk cannot afford the repairs and maintenance, so who is left. The cheapskate semi-rich guy, I suppose?

  32. HtG Says:

    31 talkin to me?

  33. G.A.Branigan Says:

    One might just be better off shopping the kit cars and build your own.Crate engines,factory FI if that’s the way one wants to go.Aftermarket manual trannys that are better then factory etc.There is a whole kit car world out there should one desire it.

  34. pedro fernandez Says:

    Errr. I don’t consider a well used Civic or a Miata any kind of luxo mobile.

  35. HtG Says:

    34 a guy can dream, no?

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    You could get a used, not abused older Porsche, why the hell not? you only live once!

  37. Jim Gordon Says:

    GM Vet: As to the positioning of infotainment screens I have a mixed opinion. While I generally am attracted to VW autos as but one example here their screens are so low as to require undue attention away from the road while driving in urban environments especially. Yet, I don’t like the tack-on look of the MB 300, the BMW’s, the Mazda’s etc. But our 2015 Lexus ES 350 seems a great compromise with a reasonably high, upper-dash positioning of its screen while simultaneously having a sophisticated, tailored look that fits unobtrusively and attractively into the design of the overall dash. So, its practical in its height and size as well as very stylish.