AD #1711 – VW’s Winterkorn Still on the Job, Tesla Model X Debuts, UAW Over Promised

September 29th, 2015 at 12:04pm

Runtime: 9:48

- Winterkorn Still on the Job at VW
- Tesla Model X Makes its Debut
- Mercedes Van Strategy
- UAW Over Promised
- When VW Started Cheating

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36 Comments to “AD #1711 – VW’s Winterkorn Still on the Job, Tesla Model X Debuts, UAW Over Promised”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Dennis Williams did what all politicians do,lie,with aplomb.So now he has to do what politicians do,backpedal,respin,try a different lie.Telling the truth just doesn’t seem important anymore.

  2. Bradley Says:

    I am not sure all the information is accurate from the Car and Driver guy.

    My VW has a urea system and you can hear/smell it running occasionally (outside the vehicle).

  3. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I believe the earlier ones didn’t have the def system.

  4. Rob Says:

    Wow if Winterkorns resume doesnt prove the “good Old Boys club” isnt still going strong in Germany,I dont know what would.

  5. JDay Says:

    Holy crap building them in Spain shipping them to Germany to take them apart to ship them here to put them back together sounds horribly inefficient. All that to avoid a 25% chicken tax? Seems barely worth it. I wonder how far they break em down before transport and if that has any affect on quality control.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    The Volkswagen recall is going to be interesting to watch. Its very rare for an automaker to achieve 100% completion on a recall campaign. Usually its with vehicles just recently sold and when the total number of vehicles is very small. In this case, both of those factors work against VW. And, if a recall fix for an owner means either lower mileage or an engine that doesn’t run as smoothly, why would an owner want to get the recall done? I predict VW will struggle with this recall for a very long time, and with lots of EPA oversight to boot.

  7. Bradley Says:


    Yea, but the cars in question are those with the urea systems.

    There actually was a year or two VW didn’t sell Diesels in the United States, because they didn’t have a Clean Diesel solution.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 From what I’ve read, 2015 Golf/Jetta TDI’s use def fluid, but earlier years do not. All years of Passat 2.0 TDI’s use it.

    Bradley, what year is your car? If it is earlier than 2015 and uses def fluid, I’ve been reading wrong information.

  9. Sean McElroy Says:

    @JDay – From my understanding at the Metris presentation, it’s mainly just the powertrain components that are removed. The rest pretty much stays in place. And the components that are removed go right back into the same vehicle that they were originally put in during assembly in Spain.

  10. JDay Says:

    Is that like the minimum amount of dissisimbaly required to achieve the avoidance of the tax? That still seems like quite a task.

  11. Bradley Says:

    I have a 2013 VW Jetta Sportswagen.

    I just had it serviced and I swear the dealer said they recharged the urea.

    As I don’t pay too much attention since all the maintenance is paid for up to 3 year/36k.

  12. Bradley Says:

    VW’s announcement about a fix today, says fuel consumption will go up.

    That means MPG going doing. Now we have a basis for a lawsuit. You can’t sell a product and then change the performance after purchase.

  13. Bradley Says:

    going doing = going down

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 If the fix will make mpg go down, I suspect they will pay owners an amount of money roughly equal to the increase in fuel cost for the life of the car, if it will make them immune, or mostly immune from law suits.

  15. Sean McElroy Says:

    @JDay – I believe so.

  16. Jonathan Says:

    Fiat 124 released photos….what’s your rake Mr McElroy?

    Yea or nay and will there be a 237 hp 1.7 liter turbo attached to a DCT box for the abarth?

  17. Bradley Says:


    Yea, that would be great if they did that and assumed the life of the car was 250k miles and they used the highest diesel price from the passed 10 years + $0.50.

  18. Bradley Says:

    Speaking of MPG, my Yaris just rewarded me for hitting 120k. After the spark plugs were changed, my bottom MPG is now a solid 42 mpg. Before it was just under 41 mpg.

    Maybe there some Nintendo technology in my Yaris. I wonder what 200k will bring?!?

  19. Ed Says:

    Anyone interested in VW , look up Margot Oge of the ICCT,
    I see she is originally from Greece, was naturalized citizen in late 1960s. the Germans and the Greeks have an interesting history. Ed

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 200K should be a piece of cake. As I’ve mentioned here before, my friend’s cheap Pontiac Sunfire is going strong at well over 200K, and I’d expect your Yaris to do as well.

  21. Albemarle Says:

    I just read that Bosch provided the TDI software and warned VW about its use in the real world (not just lab) in 2007. If true, the Bosch engineers are the clever ones, but innocent.

    I also read that Germany has given VW to Oct 9 to come up with a plan or they will ban affected diesels from being driven in Germany!

  22. cwolf Says:

    I don’t think Williams lied; I just think legalities forced him to present the final contract to the workforce although doubtful.
    I also heard the Toledo skilled trades voted the contract down today and was told production seems to be following suit. It seems the end of 2-tier is flawed, but the open-ended insurance is the rear deal killer.

  23. BobD Says:

    6 – On low participation of recalls by owners, FCA just got dinged on this and had to pay additional fines and were required to offer incentives to owners to get them to bring their vehicles in for repairs. I suspect the EPA will require VW to meet repair targets or face more fines, which means VW will need to compensate their customers to get them to come in for the inconvenience AND for lost performance and economy. In other words, VW owners might be offered settlement compensation, but have to agree to the emissions repairs before they get it.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Interesting. Bosch will presumably need to prove that they made the software available “for test use only,” kind of like the straight pipe on most Harleys are sold “for off-road use only.” This keeps getting interestinger.

  25. Hojolo Says:

    Can someone tell me if the game diesels have EGR coolers? And did. The software defeat the EGR system. If so than these engines are basically now totally and fundimentaly changed when you put in the fix. Can or will VW GUARANTEE that the engine will even last as long. Most of the problems in diesel trucks is due to EGR and EGR coolers. If all of a sudden this is now going to be used a hell of a lot more that is a fundimental change in the life expectancy and overall cost of maintaining the car.
    Not sure does anyone have an answer to this?????!

  26. cwolf Says:

    Gee, my post was here a while ago and now POOF its gone. What’s going on?

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 Here is the most in-depth description I’ve seen for the engines. It looks like they have intercooled EGR. As far as how software adjustments will affect longevity??

  28. pedro fernandez Says:

    18 Bradley, you got me convinced that my next car WILL be a Yaris, maybe even that funky canary yellow for sale on Craigslist. BTW, how do you feel about the new Yarii being built in France since 2014? I just wonder if they will still be as reliable and durable as those made in Japan.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    CR’s survey data show the French Yarii to be reliable, like the Japanese ones. They don’t like the car much. Interestingly, though, it gets competitive mpg with its 4-speed autobox.

  30. Sunrack Says:

    No doubt VW will pay heavy fines and diesels will now fall out of favor due to their high cost, crummy longevity and drivability. Switching gears, too bad we can’t hold the President to the same standard as a car salesman. My family no longer has health insurnace (we switched to a health sharing group) because the plan that we had and “liked” had to change to cover garbage we did not want and premiums surged over 300% since 2009. So much for the $2500 in savings he promised. At least with a VW diesel I had some freedom left and could have fun driving to the poor house.

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit the French Yaris has only been around for 2 yrs, so I guess the jury is still out on any long term reliability, I just never associated French cars with longevity, that’s all. I also realize that in the late 80′s and 90′s while the Detroit 3 were making pretty bad cars here, the Japanese were making their best cars over here.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The build quality is apparently ok, but yeah, time will tell about the long term reliability. I think the only other French assembled car sold in the US in the Smart, but my Mini has a French engine.

  33. pedro fernandez Says:

    Question for you guys: Would you buy a 2 yr old Hertz rental? they’re priced at the same level as a trade in, but I worry about abuse. Miles don’t matter much cause it’s a Toyota.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d but un-inclined to buy a used rental, but only because I know someone who deliberately abuses rental cars, like putting them in gear with the engine revved. I drive rentals the same as I drove my own cars. If everyone did that, they’d be a good buy. Do the Hertz cars come with a good powertrain warranty?

  35. HtG Says:

    I’d be sure all the retail safety equipment was there. Didn’t we read that some rentals were ordered with the legal minimum?

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    I believe so, Kit. Plus if it’s only one year old and with 24k miles, it still carries the mfg warranty. Supposedly Hertz rentals are well maintained. I would never buy from Enterprise, all they ever do is wash them and change the oil. I’m also thinking that since it is a Yaris, I don’t think many people are gonna race them.