AD #1820 – Ford’s EV Production Plans, Shareholders Sue VW, GM Attacks Uber

March 15th, 2016 at 11:49am

Runtime: 8:21

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- Shareholders Sue VW
- GM Attacks Uber
- Big Data & Connected Cars
- Ford’s Model E BEV
- Crawl Before You Walk
- Strong Turbo Demand
- The Ultimate Driving Machine?

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37 Comments to “AD #1820 – Ford’s EV Production Plans, Shareholders Sue VW, GM Attacks Uber”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    BMW still makes driving machines, like the 2 series, but fewer and fewer of their products have much emphasis on driving. I suppose the 2 series will go to FWD soon, and will be a very expensive Corolla, rather than an “ultimate driving machine.”

  2. Bradley Says:

    I love the Ford Model E name.

    I would also love it if Ford only offered Black for the first 1000 units and sold them at a premium. Then didn’t offer black again for a few years.

  3. Bradley Says:

    My 2014 ECO Corolla (new to me) is awesome. I got 42mpg on my first tank. The shifter and info-screens definitely had the Hyper-Miler in mind.

    I don’t do much Hyper Mile-ing, but its nice to engage Engine braking when decelerating on an off ram.

    Coming from a 2009 Yaris, the Corolla is pure luxury…(the benefits of self-discipline :) )

  4. Lex Says:

    I hope the Tesla Model 3 is a very competitive EV around the 30k price. Ford is so far behind GM, Tesla and Nissan with bring a True EV to market.

    The GM / Lyft deal sounds pretty good. A Chevy Equinox for $400 per month which includes insurance and maintenance. The only thing that would make it better is if GM had a Volt powerplant in the Equinox and GMC Terrain. Those vehicles would be flying out of the assemble plants once gasoline prices begin creeping upward. Think how those Volt powered CUV’s would decrease air pollution in cities like NYC and LA. Maybe GM will consider putting Volt power plants into the next generation Chevy Equniox and GMC Terrain. There has been no word about the New Buick Envision being offered as a pure electric, however with the air pollution problems in Beijing China GM should strongly consider it.

  5. Buzzed Says:

    I’ve heard people speak of electric turbos but I didn’t know anyone was using them yet.

  6. Drew Says:

    Lex, I noticed you didn’t include Mitsubishi in your list of manufacturers that offer dedicated EVs. The Mitsubishi is a POS.

    The key is to not build POSs and to not lose money (insert quote from Segio here).

    Ford has gained EV experience with the Focus BEV. Given Ford’s track record with HEVs ( their integration software was so superior to everyone else’s, Toyota did patent exchanges with Ford), I’ll bet Ford’s eventual dedicated BEV will be very competitive and very satisfying.

  7. pedro fernandez Says:

    Bradley, are you ok with the CVT? Do you wish it had a traditional automatic?

  8. Lisk Says:

    I don’t really understand the concept of electric turbos. The idea of a turbo is to capture “free energy” and turn it into power. The only real advantage I can see will be a minimal reduction in boost lag and maybe reduced underhood temps.

  9. Buzzed Says:

    speaking of electric cars or close enough, I did a short drive in my friends Prius C the other day….. hope to never do that again. I think I still have some prius on me, doesn’t wash of easily.

  10. Bob Says:

    You are the best, John. I really miss you on Autoline Daily when you’re off doing something else.

  11. John McElroy Says:

    #8. The benefit of an electric turbo is instant response from a unit that is smaller, lighter and easier to package than a supercharger (no belts or pulleys). As automakers migrate to a 48 volt electrical system, we’re going to see a lot more eturbos. Audi is the first to market with the new SQ7 TDI.

  12. gary susie Says:

    did anyone see the article in the paper about the guy who has driven his Volt 300,000 miles and 125,000 was on pure electric. WOW!!!

  13. BobD Says:

    #11 John, so won’t that be an electric supercharger rather than an electric turbochargers? The traditional definitions would be that a turbochager is exhaust driven, while a superchager is externally driven, whether it be mechanically from the crank or some other means. I think this was what #8 Lisk was hinting.

  14. BobD Says:

    On the Volvo crawler gearbox… I understand the need for crawler gears for low speed maneuverability, but by putting the gear reduction up front, it would seem you’d have to greatly torque manage the engine so as to not exceed the original torque rating of the I-shift transmission behind the crawler gearbox (and thus no additional torque out the back or through the drive train). So how does that help you start moving 325 tons or take big loads up hill without any more torque at the rear wheels? Am I missing something here?

  15. Barry Rector Says:

    Being an UBER driver, I’m excited to learn of the GM/LYFT program. I’d love to drive someone else’s vehicle and still get paid!!

  16. Bradley Says:

    #7

    I absolutely love the CVT. I had a manual in the Yaris.

    My only comment is I think its silly that when Floored it will try and simulate shifts. I view that as a waste of engineering resources and it probably microscopically reduces the delivered power.

    The engineer in me and my admiration for smooth/quiet machines influences that opinion.

  17. Lisk Says:

    11) John, would this be only beneficial for a light pressure turbo? Will a small electric motor have enough torque top spin the impellers at the 100,000+ rpm that turbos utilize? It seems a lower speed turbo would have to be quite large to supply the volume of air needed if used in a high boost engine.1G1FB1RS6G0157274

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    from a manual to a cvt and from a fairly noisy car to a quiet one, no wonder it feels like a luxury car

  19. John McElroy Says:

    #13 & 17. They call them e-turbos because they look like and are packaged like exhaust driven turbos. They do not look like superchargers. If you go back to WWII the proper terms was supercharging, and if you used a turbo they called it turbo-supercharging. And yes, these will be light pressure eturbos used in combination with regular turbochargers. However, we could see eturbos used alone to provide some oomph at launch on small displacement engines.

  20. Todd T Says:

    VW, still hasn’t quite fallen out of the frying pan and into the fire, but it gets closer everyday. To think it was possible for this whole nasty affair to already have remedies, that would be well into the execution phase by now. There was a proposal that called for VW spending $20 billion (+- $5 billion) in a coordinated negotiated settlement with EPA, CARB, owners, dealers that would have appeased shareholders, mitigated lawsuits, and turned the narrative to the discussion of how VW took care of its obligations, its customers and employees and share holders. Sadly, I knew very early on that they would pursue the same path of determined, self destruction way no matter what.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 It sounds like they are centrifugal blowers, like on Novi race cars, rather than roots blowers, like most belt driven superchargers.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 @Bradley, can’t you turn off the simulated step shift silliness, or is it always on?

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 The trouble is, the problem is basically unfixable, without adding urea injection to most of the pre-2015 cars. That wouldn’t be easy to do, even finding a place to put the tank.

  24. Bradley Says:

    #22

    I am not sure. I have been told it only does them in SPORT mode. I will floor the car more and see when.

  25. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 21,Kit: You beat me too it.I was thinking about it being in along the lines with the centrifugal supercharger.Still,that would have to be one small awesome motor and very heavy duty speed controler.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The motor would be small, and very high rpm. I don’t know if they would be intended for continuous operation, like driving flat out for hours, but I’d guess not. They would probably be more for brief periods of acceleration.

  27. Bradley Says:

    #22

    Only fake shifts in sport mode at full throttle

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ll have to see if my Prius has fake shifts in sport mode. I doubt if it does, but I’ve never tried it.

  29. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit:That wouldn’t really replace the standard exhaust driven turbo in trucks for hauling or towing.Especially where I live.

  30. BobD Says:

    RE: electric turbo/superchargers. Wikipedia has a pretty good discussion on the various configurations. I still content the proper name should be an e-supercharger (even if the blower is a centrifugal design), except for the electric assisted turbo that integrates an electric motor onto an exhaust-driven turbo (then e-turbo is okay).

  31. NormV Says:

    E-turbos won’t be pushing 40-50 and 60 mpg at highway speed limits like exhaust driven turbos with direct injection and variable valve timing. Japanese please step aside.

  32. Todd T Says:

    #23 Who said anything about fixing the cars? That would not be part of any acceptable solution for the EPA, CARB, owners, or VW.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 There was discussion about fixing them at one time, before things were really known.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 I doubt if e-turbos would be used at all for diesels, which are using “extra air” essentially all the time. I’d think they would make the most sense for short bursts of extra power, with gas engines.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 I agree that they are superchargers, if powered by only electric motors. Turbochargers, by definition, are exhaust gas powered superchargers.

  36. veh Says:

    By the time the Ford Model E comes out, the other makers will have exhausted their allotment of tax incentives and Ford will be in a favorable pricing position

  37. Jonathan Says:

    I sure hope the ford model E looks like the tesla model 3 sedan and cut and not the technically impressive but butt ugly Chevy bolt.

    Hopeful ford learned from the lackluster ford C max sales Americans don’t like that tall econobox look