AD #1950 – McLaren Denies Apple Rumors, ZF Develops 4-Wheel Steer for Pickups, New Player Emerges in the EV Game
September 22nd, 2016 at 11:47am
Runtime: 7:40
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- McLaren Denies Apple Rumors
- Vacuum Maker Sucks Up Aston Martin Developer
- EV Startup Says It’s Better Than Tesla
- How Clean Are EVs?
- ZF Develops 4-Wheel Steer for Big Pickups
- NHTSA Adopts SAE Autonomous Definitions
- Classic Car Market Cooling Off
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On today’s show… the rumor mill says Apple will buy McLaren, but McLaren says it’s not going to happen, ZF develops four wheel steering for full size pickups and we take a look at two new EV startups. All that and more coming right up on Autoline Daily.
This is Autoline Daily for September 22nd, 2016.
MCLAREN DENIES APPLE RUMORS
Yesterday the internet lit up with rumors that Apple was going to buy McLaren. Initial reports said Apple was interested in buying McLaren Engineering which is involved in developing all kinds of advanced technology. Later in the day the rumors said it would include McLaren’s automotive assembly operations as well as its Formula One team. It seemed like a matchup made in heaven. We know Apple wants to get into the automotive business and McLaren could be a perfect partner. Or not. This morning McLaren officially denied the rumors, saying “We can confirm that McLaren is not in discussion with Apple in respect of any potential investment.” That’s an interesting choice of words. Apple may not be investing in McLaren but it sure sounds like the two are working together on something.
VACUUM COMPANY EYES EV BUSINESS
Speaking of new companies jumping into the auto industry, last year, the vacuum cleaner company Dyson bought the battery company Sakti3. At the time Dyson said it made the acquisition in order to use Sakti3’s solid-state batteries in its products. But maybe Dyson is also looking to get into the car business. Automotive News reports that Dyson just hired Ian Minards, Aston Martin’s head of product development. Minards was at Aston for a decade and helped develop the DB11 coupe. He is now Dyson’s head of global product development. And that has some speculating that Dyson could be developing an electric car.
AUSTRIAN EV STARTUP
And here’s yet another new company making EVs that we never heard of before. Kreisel Electric was founded by three brothers from Austria who claim their EV system can go faster and further than anything Tesla is making. The company has patented laser-welding and thermal-cooling techniques that they say preserves the full power of the lithium-ion cells. Kreisel makes more than battery packs and electric drive trains. The brothers also design lithium-battery production lines for automakers and produce prototypes as well. And they already have contracts with two unnamed companies, one of which will reportedly make 100,000 cars over the next 2-years.
Still to come…ZF develops a four-wheel steering system for trucks that gives the Ford F-150 the same turning radius as an Escape.
HOW CLEAN ARE EVS?
Electric cars help reduce emissions compared to regular gas-powered cars but how much savings they provide depends on where you live. A new study from Bloomberg found that on average EVs are 40 to 50% cleaner than cars powered by gasoline or diesel. However in China, which burns coal for most of its electric power, the reduction in emissions is only 15%. But more green energy doesn’t necessarily mean EVs will be more efficient. Interestingly in France, which gets 90% of its energy from renewable sources or nuclear power, the gap between EV and ICE vehicles will actually narrow over the next several decades because ICE engines are becoming cleaner.
4WS FOR BIG PICKUPS
Big pickups and full size SUVs can be difficult to maneuver in tight spaces. That’s why the supplier company ZF is developing four-wheel-steering for them. We got to drive this F-150 that ZF is using as its development mule and came away impressed. It was easy to squeeze the big truck into narrow parking spaces and through tight turns. And it noticeably improves emergency lane change maneuvers, even with a heavy load in the bed. This is not the first time someone has tried to use four wheel steering in full size trucks. From 2002 through 2005 Chevrolet and GMC offered four wheel steering on their full size pickups and the Suburban, but it was a pricey option, about $5,600, and it never caught on. ZF thinks it can cut the price of the system and is developing it on its own, not as part of a program with any automaker. This system could definitely open up the market for full size trucks for people who feel they are just too hard to park. It gives a Ford F-150 about the same turning radius as the much smaller Ford Escape.
Coming up next, the classic car market could be headed for trouble.
NHTSA’S AUTONOMOUS POLICY BOOK
Earlier this week we promised to give you the link to NHTSA’s policy towards autonomous cars and we’re publishing that link in today’s show notes. It will take you to the page that let’s you download the policy booklet. This is a must-read for anyone in the industry who’s working on anything to do with autonomous cars. The report is over 100 pages long but is fairly easy to read. One thing that caught our eye is that NHTSA is giving up on its definition of the different levels of autonomy and is adopting the SAE definitions instead.
CLASSIC CAR MARKET COOLING OFF
Back in August we reported that overall sales at the Monterey classic car auction were down, which could be a signal that the classic car market is starting to decline. And now Hagerty, the classic car insurer, may have some evidence to back that up. It measures the confidence experts have in the classic car market and that tally just hit a five-year low. It’s also seeing big drops in prices of other luxury goods like artwork. The good news is, lower prices for classic cars is good news for true enthusiasts rather than those who see classic cars as an investment opportunity.
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September 22nd, 2016 at 12:34 pm
4 wheel steering – you know why it has never taken off? Cause almost no ones interested! No one is thinking while parking their truck ” gee, I really wish they could add an overly complex steering system to my truck so I don’t have to back up 4 feet”.
September 22nd, 2016 at 12:47 pm
1) 4WS compensates for engineers not designing smaller footprint trucks to do the same job their predecessors did 20 years ago.
September 22nd, 2016 at 12:52 pm
@lisk- the engineers are just giving what the public wants.
September 22nd, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Are you sure you have the correct McLaren? Years ago McLaren was split in two with the little known Engineering group still in existence working on breakthrough automotive technologies not related to racing venues.
September 22nd, 2016 at 2:05 pm
4WS is fantastic to drive. It’s not just about easier parking, though that’s a big plus. It’s also about maneuvering in tight construction sites. It’s about making emergency lane changes with minimum sway. It’s about towing trailers with no sway whatsoever, and making it much easier to back up with a trailer (you don’t steer in the opposite direction). And it’s not complicated. All it takes is an electric steering rack, two steering knuckles, and some software to run it.
September 22nd, 2016 at 2:15 pm
Does the back end of these 4WS trucks sideswipe nearby vehicles or other objects that are near the outside of the turn?
September 22nd, 2016 at 2:17 pm
Do they have redundant motors and electronics for the 4WS? I assume that there is no mechanical link of any kind to the steering wheel.
September 22nd, 2016 at 2:43 pm
I like the idea of 4WS on large trucks and SUVs. But the price limited the market, and the packaging/bundling further limited the market. The space behind the wheels for the earlier GM 4WS effort is now consumed by the more outboard placement of the shock absorbers (more controlled ride motions).
Regarding NHTSA adopting SAE definitions, NHTSA should go all the way – partner with SAE for all autonomous standards. As a taxpayer and a consumer in the transportation sector, I cringe at the thought of our government either second guessing SAE or staffing up for redundant engineering from SAE’s. In other words, I can’t ever imagine our government getting ahead of the technology.
September 22nd, 2016 at 2:50 pm
I also recall the GM 4WS system required a wider rear track… so much wider that it required dualie-like side clearance lamps and a unique box side outer. These uniquely tooled parts contributed to the high price.
September 22nd, 2016 at 3:01 pm
The QuadSteer was a great option although expensive. I’ve never undertood why the supplier doesn’t target the coach builders.
Stretch Limo’s would really benefit from it more then trucks
September 22nd, 2016 at 3:01 pm
I have a problem with NHTSA adopting SAE procedures and standards. SAE committees very often have self serving agendas that don’t always represent the automakers nor what is best for the consumer. There is very little or no ability for public interaction and input. At least NHTSA has a mandated process for public review and input.
September 22nd, 2016 at 3:47 pm
Bob, NHTSA may have a mandate for public comment, but most of those comments come from special interest groups and do little to fill the huge technical void of a kibitzer (vs. a doer). Besides, nothing prevents NHTSA from seeking public input when/if they work cooperatively with the SAE.
September 22nd, 2016 at 6:07 pm
John,
In regards to the 4WS for trucks, you mention that ZF thinks it can cut the price of the system but you don’t mention by how much or what a final price as an option would be. How much is ZF estimating it will cost for the truck buyer that might be interested in it?
September 22nd, 2016 at 7:34 pm
$6K for 4WS would be only 10% of the price of a typical Suburban, or “loaded” pickup truck. Those who realky want it would pay the price. It seemed that when GM offered 4WS a few years ago, not that many people wanted it. It’s cost would have been a higher percentage of the vehicle cost, though.
September 24th, 2016 at 8:42 am
#8 Drew
“Regarding NHTSA adopting SAE definitions, NHTSA should go all the way – partner with SAE for all autonomous standards. As a taxpayer and a consumer in the transportation sector, I cringe at the thought of our government either second guessing SAE or staffing up for redundant engineering from SAE’s. In other words, I can’t ever imagine our government getting ahead of the technology.”
Well said, I couldn’t agree more.