AD #1994 – New Jeep Grand Wagoneer Cancelled, VW Axes U.S. Diesels, BorgWarner Electrifies Business Strategy

November 23rd, 2016 at 11:51am

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- Jeep Grand Wagoneer Cancelled
- VW Axes U.S. Diesels
- Mercedes May Drop U.S. Diesels
- New Hybrid Pick-up Truck
- BorgWarner Electrifies Business Strategy
- You Said It!

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27 Comments to “AD #1994 – New Jeep Grand Wagoneer Cancelled, VW Axes U.S. Diesels, BorgWarner Electrifies Business Strategy”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    HAPPY THANKSGIVING to everybody.Oh boy,I can’t wait to smell that turkey in the oven tomorrow.This is my favorite holiday.Good family,good eats = heaven on earth.

  2. David Sprowl Says:

    bummer about the diesels. Seems like when they are about to catch a sales hold in the US, some OEM kills it. In the 80′s that was GM, in the 2010′s it is VW.

  3. Chuck Grenci Says:

    John, Sean, the whole Autoline crew and my fellow car-nuts; Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Without diesels, VW is losing one of the few rational reasons to buy a VW in the U.S. Without the diesels, I can think of only one rational reason to buy a VW, they have the only “affordable” car-height real wagon in the U.S., with the Golf Sportwagon.

    Regarding Benz diesels, I have a suggestion. Sell the C-Class wagon, with a 4 cylinder diesel, and manual transmission. A few years ago, I had a rental like that in France, and loved it. Also, they should sell the E-250d wagon in the U.S., with rear wheel drive. That would be a very nice, though pricey, car.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    AW crew, and everyone, have a great holiday.

  6. Drew Says:

    You can blame EcoSport timing on the highly unique U.S. regulations – unbelted and unique dummies, IIHS, etc.

  7. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit, they also need to work on their reliability, I was just offered a great deal on a used Jetta, not taking it for that exact reason. It’s approaching the age and mileage when things start to fail. I wold not hesitate if it were a Honda or Toyota.

  8. Jim Scott Says:

    Saw a rendering of the Jeep Wrangler JL Pickup on the internet, appears as a four door with a small box, adapted off of the Unlimited. Do you know if FCA is going to offer a “regular cab” (2 door) version with a longer bed?

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 I’m not into pickups at all, but I thought the past concepts of 2 door, regular cab Wrangler-based pickups looked really cool. I hope they build something like that.

  10. John Says:

    In addressing the “test mode” question, I would assume that testing would be done in the “worst case scenario” mode. Having worked with EPA in the past, that was always the criteria used for establishing monitoring points.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 That doesn’t seem too likely, with my Corvette. In “worst case” track mode, the shift points are noticably higher, and it doesn’t shut off cylinders under light load. I’d be surprised if it got 29 mog highway under those conditions. We’ll see what John finds out.

  12. Robert Morrison Says:

    So is Chrysler still going ahead with the Grand Wagoneer or are they putting it on ice like their car line up. John, is Chrysler in bad finicial trouble to not be able to continue to be a full line auto manufacturer?
    It’s time they start coming out with products like they did in the 80′s and 90′s!!!!
    I know I would have been in a long line to buy the Grand Wagoneer.
    Come on Chrysler lets get together.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To me, it makes sense for Chrysler to cancel the Grand Wagoneer. The monster SUV market is unlikely to expand, and GM almost owns it. It would be expensive to do a Grand Wagoneer properly, and sales of maybe 10-15K a year wouldn’t justify it.

  14. blueovalblood Says:

    Is it possible the late arrival of the Eco(not echo)Sport is the new Bronco? Ford hasn’t specified if it will have two or four doors. Most if not all suv/cuvs are four doors nowadays. It’s also reportedly based on the new Ranger platform which has an available crew cab.

  15. GMwolf Says:

    John the car market is not as strong as it should have been. If you think about the aging used car market. People are staying out of the new car market much longer. It’s not that the cars are built that much better but that for many car owners to replace what they had has become impossible.

    The regulation on safety/fuel/EPA ect Have added to a ever growing MSRP that many can no longer afford. I have a 04 Chevy Trailblazer LT 4wd it would run me 30% more to replace it today then when I bought it new. At the same time my wages have increased about 20%. Honestly, looking at a new equivalent with the options I have, the payment is $50 less then my mortgage.

    The regulations are needed and a slight push is good but at what point is it good enough. Just take safety. You are never going to get to 0 accidents. Cars these days are pretty darn safe when you look at them. So with a diminishing return at what point do you scale back resources and staff?

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 The Ecosport is Ford’s competition for Trax, HR-V, etc. It has nothing to do with a revived Bronco, if there is one. I guess they could called the Fiesta-based Ecosport Bronco, but I doubt that they will.

  17. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I believe one of the reasons the Ecosport will be a late arrival is because it will need some modification to meet the requirements of North America; the existing Ecosport is a world car and is built differently (in different locales).

  18. FSTFWRD Says:

    The regulations are a double edge sword. Yes, they do make cars more expensive, but look at the advancement in fuel economy, safety, and performance we have today. Economy and safety would not be as advanced as they are without the government regs. Yes, our government has probably gone too far and the offices have gotten too big. But there should be some middle ground. Trump needs to evaluate and trim down the system.
    I don’t see that they have hurt the OEM’s that much, as we see record car sales and good profits reported. Just me.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    One government regulation that I’d like to see added, is that any place that sells gas, must have free air for tires.

  20. FSTFWRD Says:

    #19 I think we do in CA., but not sure. I check/fill mine at home.

  21. wmb Says:

    Its sad to here that Jeep will not be producing the Grand Wagoneer. What has me scratching my head is their reason for not doing it. Based on the Grand Cherokee, that platform/architecture was originally developed along with the vehicle that is now the GLE, when Mercedes and Chrysler were one company. From there, Mercedes went on to build the vehicle that is now the GLS from those same bones. How is that Mercedes can use those same building blocks to make a full vehicle and FCA can not?!? Makes not since!

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Would Chrysler be able to sell 10-15,000 Grand Wagoneers at Mercedes prices? The Benz is about $70K with a V6, vinyl seats, and no “keyless go.” The price quickly escalates from there.

    If they could sell the Jeeps at those prices, maybe they should build such a vehicle, but I doubt that many people would want to pay $70-100K for the Jeep, even if it were as good as the Benz.

  23. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Even the Grand Wagoneers of old were low-volume; those that had them seem to have loved them but if FCA went ahead, it would probably be for prestige and not volume. I don’t think FCA needs more prestige vehicles; it needs to move some ‘iron’ (sales).

  24. Ukendoit Says:

    I believe there is enough market for an upscale Jeep. The Commander was a victim of poor timing, coming out when the price of gas skyrocketed and the economy crashed causing the Hummer brand to close as well (Hummer in 2009, Commander in 2010). At that time, no one knew how bad things would get, how high the price of gas would get, or how long before a recovery. Now, I think more people with disposable income would be willing to buy a name brand high end vehicle like this, especially if it has some autonomous features to make it easier to drive a land barge on the city streets!

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    IF FCA did a Grand Wagoneer, what should it be, an expensive, but “trucky” Escalade/Navigator competitor, an exoensive, but luxurious GLS competitor, or a less expensive, trucky Tahoe/Yukon/Expedition competor? I don’t see enough potential sales to justify building it, in any of these cases. Yeah, I could be wrong.

  26. Ukendoit Says:

    I think it should be a “trucky” Escalade/Nav competitor. Built on the Ram platform, it will have the Ram volume to help lower cost a little. They could even offer a cheaper version as a Ram Charger to increase volume even more. I wouldn’t be buying one, but I think the Jeep name would help sell them better than the “Aspen” name did. People who buy those large luxobarges rely heavily on brand image and if they do it right I think Jeep can exploit that as a rugged alternative to Escalade or Land Rover (I don’t think Navigator will do as well as a Grand Wagoneer).

  27. Bill Wartinbee Says:

    John,
    Regarding license plates on advertising cars, I think the plates were painted body color so as not to distract from the car’s appearance. The choice of the license plate letters and numbers gave the sales folks a chance to get their initials on the plates. One of those in house secrets that only those in the “know” knew about.