AD #2024 – FCA Accused of Breaking the Law Yet Again, New GMC Terrain Unveiled, Renault Expands EV Line-Up

January 13th, 2017 at 11:53am

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- FCA Accused of Breaking the Law Yet Again
- New GMC Terrain Unveiled
- VW Reveals New Tiguan
- Renault Expands EV Line-Up
- Ford Focus RS Makes Wards 10 Best Engines

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22 Comments to “AD #2024 – FCA Accused of Breaking the Law Yet Again, New GMC Terrain Unveiled, Renault Expands EV Line-Up”

  1. Ron Paris Says:

    I’m beginning to see a pattern here with the Obama administration’s EPA persecution of automakers over emissions indiscretions. In pursuit of the administration’s stated agenda of vehicle electrification, the EPA has created a spider web of rules and regulations so complex as to make compliance next to impossible. That way, they can nail manufacturers at will in pursuit of the elimination of offending alternative technologies, the foremost being diesel power.

  2. NormV Says:

    GM took too long to bring their Ecotec turbo-4′s into cuvs/SUV/crossovers as even Ford has offered them for years. That or they were just waitingnfoe the Japanese to push them into offering a turbocharged line up?

  3. XA351GT Says:

    Just out of curiousity is the 2.3 liter Ford the same as the 2.3 they used in the old SVO and Turbo coupe T-Birds or is the only thing they share is displacement?

  4. WineGeek Says:

    1. I don’t believe that the regulations are too complex to adhere to. It isn’t the Obama administration it is the stupidity of certain automakers for not abiding by what some of them seem to be able to adhere to easily. The need to reduce air pollution is universal and almost universally accepted. There seems to be ways for the ICE to be compliant and still offer performance and economy. Blaming the Obama administration or any administration for the cheating and lies of a few auto industry executives is ludicrous.

  5. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Those Renault EV’s should work well within city for delivery and other van-type duties; make a run, plug it in, make a run, plug in, repeat.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 The only thing they share is displacement.

  7. Lisk Says:

    John, upon witnessing the 2018 Terrain in person, I can see the same person who decided the gun slit visibility of the Camaro was good for the Terrain as well. The C-post kick-up creates a huge blind spot. The window is mostly dressing as it is barely 2″ tall and not very long. Blind spot monitoring will be a necessity.
    I think a less mainstream look like what was shown on the Granite Concept would have been cooler.

  8. Lex Says:

    I have a 2015 GMC Terrain SLE-1 with a 2.4 L 4-cylinder under the hood which a family member drives. I worry that this continuing trend to downsize and turbo charge engines will result in shorter engine life and ultimately higher repair costs. The complexity and cost of new vehicles is why consumers are hanging onto their current vehicles longer. I heard the average age of the US Auto is now 11.9 years. This up from 11.6 years. I was hoping that GMC would be putting the 2.5 Liter I4 Ecotec LCV Engine in the next generation GMC Terrain and Chevy Equinox. I see this motor is in the 2017 GMC Acadia. It produces 194 hp at 6300 rpm and 190 ft-lb of torque at 4400 rpm. This engine would have made these two CUVs very desirable and would have eliminated the 3.6 Liter V6 optional engine without hesitation for most repeat buyers like me.

    The diesel options offered by a couple of OEMs are running a foul. Case in point VW and FCA. Diesels have a stigma for being odorous and filthy machines. I would gather see GM drop Electrified hybrid powertrains into the Terrain and Equinox very similar to the Chevy Volt. Consumer could qualify for the $7,500.00 tax credit and the similar tax credit available in their state of residence. The gas option in the Volt is reassuring to most consumers. I believe this would spur on the adaption of “Electrification” in mass market vehicles to the general public and eliminate “Range Anxiety” which keep most consumers from adapting this technology. Lets be realistic, the Bolt will out sell the Volt in certain markets, however an electrified Terrain or Equinox will out sell both the Volt and Bolt combined IMHO. The key is to engineer upgradeable battery packs which can be swapped out easily at a authorized dealer when it has reached the end of it’s useful life or in the case of failure or damage.

  9. Jim MacMurdo Says:

    I suspect the reason that GM has avoided small displacement turbos in their CUV line-up is the well-known, but seldom spoken, fact that while these engines do well in the EPA testing, they are quite piggish in real world driving. To quote one of the major auto magazine editors (in regard to Ford’s offerings), “you can have Eco or you can have Boost; you just cannot have both”.

  10. buzzerd Says:

    @1 Really?? have you not been listening to shows like this and others? FCA is breaking all kinds of rules, this is just the latest. This isn’t the first time VW has been caught breaking rules and you make it sound like the US is the only country that is investigating them. I guess the ” Obama Admin” is running Germany also.
    And ” indiscretions ” ??? you make it sound like a typo and not a deliberate attempt to circumnavigate the rules that everyone has to adhere to.
    wow.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    Thanks Kit ,
    I thought that was the case.

  12. Drew Says:

    The RAV4 offered a 3rd row seat for a brief amount of time. It proved to be too much of a compromise and, hence, a low seller. VW will learn the same lesson.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3, 6
    The 2.3 turbo in the Focus RS is basically the same engine used in various other Ford products, like Mustang, MKC, and Explorer. The version used in the RS runs more boost, getting more power, but will require premium gas, while most other versions are ok with regular.

    I suspect the Focus RS, a fairly light, sporty car, is Ford’s best application for that engine. Similarly, the 1.5/1.6 turbo is great in the Fiesta ST, but provides so-so performance, and mpg, when you put it in a 3700 pound Escape.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The SVO/Turbo Coupe engine was, basically, a Pinto 2.3, but was fuel injected, turbocharged and intercooled. I’m pretty sure the engine had a two valve head. It was a pretty quick 4 cylinder, for the time, but not by today’s standards.

  15. Lisk Says:

    The 2.3L used in the 1979-81 Mustangs (and also Fairmont/Capri/Zephyr) was the Lima engine. It was rated at about 120hp, not too bad considering the 302 2v V8 was only 134. The 175 hp SVO/Turbo Coupe engine was based on the Brazilian 2.3 four, same basic design but the block was sturdier. The Mercur XR4Ti also had a 2.3L turbo but I believe that was built at Ford’s Cologne engine plant.

  16. GM Veteran Says:

    Here is an interesting product tidbit for you all. The new Terrain comes with a dash-mounted pushbutton transmission, a first in a GM vehicle, I believe. Interestingly, the new Equinox sticks with a console shifter. This is not like GM and though its a little thing, I am glad to see more and more differentiation between GMC and Chevy platform mates.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 My 1957 Chrysler, and 1964 Dodge Dart had dash mounted push button transmissions.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Here’s some history of the Ford “Lima” engine. It went through a lot of iterations, from a 1.3 litre version used in Europe, to the 2.3 litre, both NA and turbo, used in applications from Pinto and Ranger, to Mustang SVO and T Bird Turbo Coupe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto_engine

  19. Dwagner1239 Says:

    So many problems with today’s show. Chrysler (not Fiat in the US)tried and convicted for diesel NOX emissions, but the jest of the EPA’s FAKE NEWS is the alleged (why don’t I see one of those words in the story, murderers get that courtesy?) lack of disclosure of the software code. And, how do the other long ago stories have anything to do with diesel emissions? A vendetta John? By the way, as for the management comment, Sergio stated that the vehicles are legal, the EPA is wrong. How much higher do you want to go than him?

    The Focus RS may have a great engine, but I read a story that it’s a lousy daily driver. Very rough. Even at the track, that well publicized Drift Mode has to have the right tires or it’s out of control.

    I have a new Pacifica and I love it. Seeing lots of them on the roads. Seems like a success to me! I think Honda is scared showing such a wild range of side sculpting on the 2018.

    My iPad and iPhone are getting many notices about Takata airbags. Why no mention on the show?

  20. Dwagner1239 Says:

    Jest is the wrong word. Should be gist.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 I agree that the new Pacifica is a great vehicle. That said, Sergio always seemed a bit like Winterkorn, and I won’t be surprised if there was, in fact, blatant emissions cheating with the Ram and GC diesels. I’m sure we will find out eventually.

  22. Roger T Says:

    Jon, the Tiguan is not the only three row SUV on the market. The Nissan Rogue offers a third row as an option, and the Mitsubishi Outlander has three rows in all of its versions.
    Nice show.