AD #2083 – Subaru Updates the Outback, Jeep’s Wild Quicksand Concept, Green Cars Outpacing Most Segments

April 7th, 2017 at 11:56am

Runtime: 10:16

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- Chinese Automakers Expand Global Footprint
- Green Cars Outpacing Most Segments
- Subaru Updates the Outback
- Honda Reveals the New Civic Si
- Subprime Bubble Concerns Overblown
- New Dodge Demon Details
- Jeep’s Wild Quicksand Concept

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24 Comments to “AD #2083 – Subaru Updates the Outback, Jeep’s Wild Quicksand Concept, Green Cars Outpacing Most Segments”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    No Civic Si hatch? I guess Honda wants to give VW and Ford a few extra sales for the GTi and Focus ST.

  2. Brian Little Says:

    So what is the current bottom line contribution for green vehicles? Isn’t that what counts?

  3. David Sprowl Says:

    If you have a penny and I give you a penny, you just increased your hand held wealth 100%. Least we forget you still only have 2 cents. So goes it with “green” cars.

  4. Brett Says:

    Halibrand knockoff replicas on that Quicksand. Nice!

  5. Chuck Grenci Says:

    ‘Strategery’; to paraphrase SNL’s take on President Bush (“W”, that is): make a statistic say what ever you want it to (say). Thanks Sean for you final commentary, and again to paraphrase; the green market still only represents less than 3% of the market.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If “green car” sales continue to increase 31.7% every quarter, it won’t be long before they make up half the market.

  7. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Yeah, Kit, they’ll be up to 4% in no time (snicker). The Government, the auto makers and the greenies are pushing hard; I still think it will take range, price and and infrastructure before we see numbers that will be meaningful for the environment.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Chuck, at a 31.7% increase per quarter, the number of cars would almost triple in a year. At that rate, within 4-5 years, about 8M “green cars” a year would be sold. If the total number of cars sold stayed the same, the “greens” would make up half the market.

    No,I don’t expect that to happen. The 31.7% for Q1 was just a quirk, fluke, or whatever.

    Yep, it will take all of the tings you mention, for the sales to increase drastically. For me to consider pure EV, there would need to be a place to plug it in at my condo. See far, there is no indication that will happen any time soon.

  9. Lisk Says:

    Based on Ward’s sales figures of 26,390 EV sales, Tesla’s claim of 25,000 first quarter seems highly questionable. There were 3,092 Bolt sales and 3,287 Leafs in the first quarter. I’m pretty sure there were a handful of BMW i3s & i8s plus other pure electrics sold.

  10. Albemarle Says:

    I think I am Demoned out.

    If green cars at 3% are a joke, what would you call the marketing impact of the Demon?

  11. Albemarle Says:

    9 I think Tesla’s numbers are worldwide.

  12. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I hope I didn’t come across as ‘snarky’ Kit. I was reflecting on John’s/Sean’s multiple comments about electrics and how that they have been reporting that 3% figure for what seems to be years. As retired, if conditions would improve as to range/price/infrastructure, I might even consider buying one; I know I’m curious about whether I would like one. The Bolt intrigues me (some) but still too expensive for what you get (even with the tax credit) and that so many other models make more sense at least to me.

    p.s. totally different topic (kind of): Grand Prix practice, in Shanghai, was cancelled today due to air quality. China may be the litmus test for ‘electrics’ if they can get their electric power cleaner.

  13. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lisk – The Ward’s number for EV sales that we featured today is for the American market. The Tesla 25,000 figure from the other day is global. If you’re curious, according to Ward’s, Tesla has sold just over 15,000 Model S & X’s in the first three months of the year in the U.S. That’s still more than half of all EV sales. BMW has sold just over 1,400 i3′s in the U.S. this year, but remember the i8 is a plug-in hybrid, not an EV.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 Chuck, you didn’t come across as ‘snarky’ at all. I was just doing rough “what if” calculations based on one quarter, for fun, knowing there is no way that 31% quarterly increase will continue.

    When I was in Shanghai for a couple weeks, about 20 years ago, the air quality was bad, it seemed largely because of small 2-stroke motorbikes, and very smokey buses and trucks. The vehicles would be much cleaner now, so maybe the wind was bringing in the smoke from the power plants. I’m curious about the cause of the bad air, but it must have been pretty bad to cancel the practice.

  15. MJB Says:

    Honda Civic Si:

    Okay John, I think it’s high time for a fresh installment of your “Design Handbook – Know When To Lift The Pen”. This car’s aesthetics are so over-the-top and brutal (especially that rear end), I don’t even know where to begin. It seems they just couldn’t find a way to stop designing on this car. Your eye can’t get a rest on any surface.

    Where’s Jim Hall when you need him?

  16. Chuck Grenci Says:

    It seems I might have assumed a little too much with my declaration of F1 practice cancellation; looks like it was more weather related, sighting fog and the inability of the helicopters from landing at the hospital (if needed). Sorry for any mis-information.

  17. Rick Says:

    The quick sand does not seem to be designed for sandy conditions at all- There is no air filter!

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A Corvette at a local show with some history. It is unrestored and “rough,” and sounds like crap, which adds to the appeal.

    https://flic.kr/p/SrCaKT

  19. Bob Wilson Says:

    Tesla appears to be reaching out to sell cars … clearance for the “S” and “X”? Regardless, it looks like Tesla was manufacturing limited but they’ve figured out how to get product to the customer.

    As for plug-in hybrids, they work in ‘fly-over’ states where we need a car not only efficient in the City but able to take a long distance trip.

    Finally, many of us spect the tax credits will soon evaporate and be replaced by faux-surcharges for not burning enough gasoline taxes.

    Bob Wilson

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Chuck, maybe you know about this. How much longer will Honda stay in the F1 engine business? This has to be really embarrassing, being both slow AND unreliable. That wouldn’t help sell many Civics, or whatever they had in mind.

  21. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Hard to say, and anything I could comment on would just be speculation. It appears that the M/B engines are still on top with the Ferrari’s either equal or just barely behind. The Renault’s are trailing just a tad but the analysis’s are saying that a new Renault is in the works and should be available by mid-season. So far the racing has been pretty darn competitive, and yes, Honda has some catching up to do. Haas scored points today (in China). I’m liking the new season so far.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m liking the season too. It stands to be more interesting than the last two or three.

  23. Marshy Says:

    +1 to Rick.

    I’m cringing now at the plumes coming off the front wheels in a hard turn. Sand everywhere and being vacuumed up by those 8 thirsty runners!

    Ho-boy!

    Keep prides themselves in functional concepts, but A little too concept for me.

  24. Marshall Says:

    As a former Subaru owner the only update that could entice me to buy another one is if they wised up and dumped the CVT and put in a good 6,7,or 8 speed automatic. I will NEVER buy any vehicle with a CVT.