AD #2172 – BMW Reveals Z4 Concept, Honda Introduces High MPG Diesel, Hyundai Teases New Fuel Cell SUV

August 18th, 2017 at 11:49am

Runtime: 8:26

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- Hyundai Teases New Fuel Cell SUV
- Porsche Debuts Braided Carbon Fiber Wheels
- BMW Reveals Z4 Concept
- Honda Introduces High MPG Diesel
- FCA CEO Says EV Prices Are Going To Soar
- How Consumers Can Benefit From Data Collection

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17 Comments to “AD #2172 – BMW Reveals Z4 Concept, Honda Introduces High MPG Diesel, Hyundai Teases New Fuel Cell SUV”

  1. Ron Paris Says:

    In the interest of accuracy, it should be noted that what’s referred to here as the “current” Z4 is not really current at all. Production of the 2016 model ended in April of last year and dealers have been selling off remaining inventory since then.

  2. Ron Paris Says:

    So what Sergio is actually saying is that, as IC powered vehicles come under more and more politicized market pressure (ie less available) and manufacturers lose the ability to subsidize EV sales with profits from them, they will have no choice but to raise prices on EVs to reflect actual cost of production. And that’s when the house of cards comes tumbling down around our ear as no one will be willing to pay that much for an inferior electrified vehicle.

  3. Lex Says:

    I looks like to me that carbon fiber wheels are far more material, energy and labor intensive that producing standard alloy wheels. The 20% gain in strength and weight saving seems trivial IMHO.

  4. BobD Says:

    It seems to me that Sergio’s prediction is more of sour grapes in that FCA has only done minimal work to produce EVs, rather than truly invest in engineering and manufacturing EVs in volume that will lower costs to the point they are profitable. Assuming battery prices do continue to decrease, manufacturing the rest of the EV vehicle is cheaper due to the simpler powertrains. How cheap the batteries get will determine if they are profitable. And the OEMs that have several generations of experience will be able to produce EVs at a much higher profit.

  5. BobD Says:

    Is this Honda’s first diesel, or have they offered diesels in the past in Europe or elsewhere? I wonder how the fuel economy would compare on the US EPA test, and compared to the Chevy Cruze diesel, also with a 1.6 L displacement.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    Vehicle Data collection being shared with my insurance company without my permission is not something I would consider as a benefit. What they consider to be safe driver is very subjective.
    Someone with more spirited driving, harder acceleration, braking and cornering and even speeding does not necessarily constitute a bad driver. I do all those things and have for 35 years without one accident. However I also raced in ARCA and SCCA. So a good driver paying attention even speeding if far safer than a bad driver below the speed limit but distracted .

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    Chrysler has always been a late player to the game with new technology. Sergio gambled with EV development. Could still be a smart decision due to the cost and viability yet to be determined.

    You either get out and lead the industry in developing the technology so your “ahead” of the game.

    Or Two you sit back (like Sergio did) let others make the huge investment see if it really pans out as a viable product. Then if it takes off you just buy the key cost component (batteries) from a low cost supplier.

  8. George Ricci Says:


    Get real! Electric car prices are not going to soar. ZEV requirements by California and the 14 states that follow California will require you to earn ZEV credits based on how many cars you sell in a state. So you can subsidize Electric cars with higher prices on IC cars, buy ZEV credits from other companies, and the cost of batteries is coming down at the same time IC engine cost are going up due to stricter emission and mileage standards.

  9. Chuck Grenci Says:

    The carbon fiber wheels are top of the mark, however, with a price that is hundreds of percent over even premium wheels, they just seem to be more of bragging rights (for those that get them) than any real-world benefit).

    Data has been collected just about always (meaning before computer harvesting began); I wouldn’t get too ‘emotional’ about privacy invasion. I do agree with Lambo that it would depend on what is being gleaned and how it is being interpreted; after-all fair is fair. Look at your credit score; a lot more is riding on that number, which isn’t as transparent as you’d like it to be than, lets say, an insurance bump due to your driving record.

  10. Ron Paris Says:

    #8: Yea, government mandates always qork put swell. Why just look at healthcare!

  11. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Drop the government incentives for electric cars, and yeah, they are going to soar. Get them electrics’ to compete on an even playing field and then do ‘these’ evaluations. As discussed here and a lot of other forums; measure those tailpipe emissions from cradle to grave (not just out of the tailpipe) and you see that the ICE isn’t dead yet and may teach some of the others a lesson.

  12. Roger T Says:

    Sergio M from FCA is on denial. Electric cars manufacturing costs & complexity should be lower vs a comparably sized ICE alternative, the reason no one makes money is because of scale. Engineering costs should be lower for the e-car, think no pollution, high temp management, number of components and complexity overall. The real bottleneck for electric car volumes in my view will be availability of batteries, meaning price may not continue to drop unless supply dynamics change.

  13. JWH Says:

    Ref #3 & #9 – CF wheels – I admit they are a hefty premium, however, having two sets of CF wheels on two different motor cycles (Ducati & Aprilia) I can speak to the improvement in many areas they brought to the bikes. While both bikes are in different homes today, I would love to get CF wheels for the Corvette, however, this is a ways off. If you do some research you should be able to find some data on the Mustang GT 350 R showing performance improvement due to greatly reduced moment of inertia. With time (a lot) perhaps prices will retreat to reachable. Have a good weekend.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5, BobD
    Honda has been selling diesels in Europe, and probably other markets for years.

    When batteries get cheap enough, electric cars will be price competitive with ICE cars. EV’s are very simple, mechanically, and the electronic controls are already “commodity” status. FCA needs to be prepared to build EV’s, because they will be a significant part of the market, at some point.

  15. Ed Says:

    EV have and will have proprietary software and engineering parts that will be controlled by the developer or the patent mill that has them. When your the only game in town the mfg will have to pay the going price or develop new. With groups like CARB writing these edicts it sets up a market that conforms. Price will will go according to the market. Wonder what the landfills of exhausted batteries will look like… or will it become some form of “hazardous waste” that must be cleaned up. Sewing the seeds of the future.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    When there are lot of expired EV batteries, the infrastucture to recycle them will come together, as has been the case with lead-acid batteries for about 100 years. It will be more complex to recycle materials from lithiym batteries, but it will happen.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Great Wall wants to buy FCA.